Apparently suggesting Rooney is a cnut means I jump on bandwagons and follow sheep. 
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Please give me a break. Kagwa is better in the hole than Rooney is. RVP is a better leading-the-line striker. Nani is a better overall attacking flair threat. Plenty of posters in Nani and Kagwa threads agree if you want to go into those threads to research for proof.
Rooney is NOT that important to the team. No one player is. Yes he is one of the better players on the squad, it is too bad that he is never consistent enough for an entire season. Every season he gets injured and every season he has plenty of patches where he just plain shite. United would be just fine without him. Just like how United was just fine when Ronaldo left. He is repplaceable.
We moved just fine on after we lost Ronaldo. And that's Ronaldo we're talking about. A far better player than Rooney.
And sometimes you don't really need to replace players with others who are as good either. We replaced Keane eventually with Carrick who is nowhere near as good as Keane was. Yet, we've seen loads of success with Carrick in the side.
The only person I would worry about no longer being at OT is Sir Alex. Players like Rooney, Nani, Vidic etc come and go and others take their place. It's the whole machinery that really matters. And Sir Alex is the vital cog of that machinery.
Please give me a break. Kagwa is better in the hole than Rooney is. RVP is a better leading-the-line striker. Nani is a better overall attacking flair threat. Plenty of posters in Nani and Kagwa threads agree if you want to go into those threads to research for proof.
Rooney is NOT that important to the team. No one player is. Yes he is one of the better players on the squad, it is too bad that he is never consistent enough for an entire season. Every season he gets injured and every season he has plenty of patches where he just plain shite. United would be just fine without him. Just like how United was just fine when Ronaldo left. He is repplaceable.
United would move on agreed on that point. But Rooney is imho our best player not just one of our better players!!
Gill comments on Rooney, from the Independent. Sorry if this has already been posted:
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...er-talk-that-rooney-will-be-sold-8096718.html
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...er-talk-that-rooney-will-be-sold-8096718.html
No surprises there.
There's not much chance of Rooney leaving given what Rooney's said, but I wouldn't put any stock in the words of David Gill, he'll say whatever he thinks will keep the share price up. In 2010 he said there was absolutely no pressure to sell Rooney even after Rooney had told him he wasn't signing a new contract.
Back in 4 weeks as per Fergie
he's going nowhere, christ kids, SAF rested him for one game cause he wasn't match fit and now he is out injured anyway, talk about reading too much into nothing.
he will be back in 4 weeks and back in the first team without doubt, muppets can feck off now thanks.
he will be back in 4 weeks and back in the first team without doubt, muppets can feck off now thanks.
Getting rested for one game creates such a shit storm.
To the media a player like Rooney doen't get rested, he gets dropped. Using that premise alone, they then have a basis from which to start completely baseless speculation to simply sell more newspapers.
They have managed a full week out of this bullshit, until someone from Utd has been forced to issue a official statement.
Actually my bad, I meant to say dropped/rested. The media better get used to it, it's going to be happening more often now that we've got more players in his position.
Tbf they are pretty much one and the same to a reasonable mind. Only SAF would know which is true. But my point was the media will always look for the most sensationalist viewpoint, simply to promote further interest or debate on what is a nothing story.
Please give me a break. Kagwa is better in the hole than Rooney is. RVP is a better leading-the-line striker. Nani is a better overall attacking flair threat. Plenty of posters in Nani and Kagwa threads agree if you want to go into those threads to research for proof.
Rooney is NOT that important to the team. No one player is. Yes he is one of the better players on the squad, it is too bad that he is never consistent enough for an entire season. Every season he gets injured and every season he has plenty of patches where he just plain shite. United would be just fine without him. Just like how United was just fine when Ronaldo left. He is repplaceable.
Rooney IS that important to the team, player-wise. No player comes close to the importance of SAF and the club itself, however player-wise Rooney is that important. He's our best player, and although we now have sufficient cover to replace him when he's injured does not mean that all of a sudden it doesn't mather whether he's still a United player or not.
Last season he didn't get injured, 3/4 seasons before that he was also injury free I believe, and consistently he always deliveres season-wise.
I don't know where all this talk of inconsistency comes up, it's not like other players are immune to it, it's just that you only watch their highlights instead of an entire game, and on top of that you actualy give a shit about our player and the team so you're being more critical as well, let's be honest you couldn't give a shit how another team played if it didn't effect United in a way.
Both RvP and Rooney are world-class and the difference isn't huge, however I'd still pick Rooney over RvP any day of the week, he is our best player, it's as simple as that.
We now have the luxury of being able to field an incredibily strong team when he's injured, but it's still a better team with him in it, if we were to go by the logic "ok, now we've got cover, we can move him along" we'd be no better than feeder clubs.
And just for the record, I'm against playing people out of position as well, but something's gonna have to give in order for the team to function properly.
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Now this is just completely insane. We've sold better players: Ronaldo, Ruud, Keane.... I doubt Rooney is going anywhere, but what you said there is complete nonsense.
United were not "fine" when Ronaldo left, we had our worst season for several years in the 3 most important competitions, and we still haven't reached the level we were at his prior to his departure, or even got close. There was a narrative developed at the time that United can sustain any player leaving and just get stronger, mainly because it happened with van Nistelrooy, but it's absurd to try and reinterpret the facts to say that the same thing happened with Ronaldo. Getting rid of top class players who have been your key player in the last few years will normally be harmful to a team's prospects.
I'd be gutted if Rooney left. He brings great energy and passion to every match.
However, with the big fat contract we have him under, whoever buys him off us is going to either A. erase our debt completely or B. give us enough quid to buy a new starting XI. So I wouldn't be worried from a pure footballing perspective.
However, with the big fat contract we have him under, whoever buys him off us is going to either A. erase our debt completely or B. give us enough quid to buy a new starting XI. So I wouldn't be worried from a pure footballing perspective.
Sorry but apart from Ronaldo, no we haven't. As great as players like Ruud, Keane and Beckham were, I dare say Rooney's a slightly better player, although apart from Ruud it's not a "fair" comparison due to players playing in different positions, cover, etc.
And I never stated we would crumble without him, so I don't know where the "completely insane" part comes from. We would "be ok", we'd still have a strong team, but believe me when I say that we would in no way be a better team or even on the same level.
Just because you have a good player in place incase Rooney's not available doesn't mean in any way that we're a better team or anything like that.
We lost Ronaldo and although we still manage(d) to compete you can't exactly say we're as good as we were in 2007 and 2008. We're still a great team, and we've also improved in this transfer window, what this team can do remains to be done, but just because players like Nani have improved and we brought in Valencia, it doesn't mean we were stronger in any way compared to the time Ronaldo was still here.
He used to.
So no one is bothered by Sir Alex's comments that he wasn't match fit?
Rooney tries to leave the club because of a lack of ambition on the club's part but he can't even be bothered to ever come back from the summer in decent shape? He really irritates me.
Rooney tries to leave the club because of a lack of ambition on the club's part but he can't even be bothered to ever come back from the summer in decent shape? He really irritates me.
He hasn't really had a decent rest. I know I may be picking at straws here, but last season an actual off-season did him tons of good.
He played 2 games at the Euros and still got an entire month off after that. And he looked just as out of shape and form during the euros as he did in the Everton game. Plenty of other players played more at the Euros than Wayne and still manage to be match fit come the start of the season.
If anything, playing at the Euros should've guaranteed he would be in shape since he should have had less time to vacation around and get out of shape.
Let's be honest here, it takes him a game or two to get going, and you may be pissed at him, you have your reasons, but to me it's no biggie, he had a bad game so he came off the bench the next game, merely a reminder that he's not the only option we have. Pretty much what we all assumed to be the case, only that Fergie had to say it due to all the rubbish rumours about a fall out, and now suddenly it's made out to be worse than it is.
EDIT: Oh and incase you missunderstood me, the thing that did him the most good was the fact that he had next to nothing to do for the entire off-season before training camp began, something he wasn't able to do for a while, and he started the campaign firing goals in.
Keano was quickly becoming an injury prone, shadow of himself when we sold him to be fair. In more fairness, he was still an absolutely brilliant player and captain.
And Ronaldo went for 80m to a Spanish team. If some non-PL team wants to pay that amount for Rooney, I'm sure he'll be gone so quickly we don't even get to throw a farewell party.
rooney has no right to talk about ambition when his personal ambition to be the best footballer he can be is 1/100th of the likes of ronnie.
Ruud was better than Rooney. Ronaldo was/is much better than Rooney. Think I'd have Rio and Vidic at their best over him as well, at least equal. Rooney's a top player but going by the way some talk you'd think he's the one winning the annual Fifa player of the year award every year instead of Messi.
So all this Rooney leaving nonsense turned out to be nothing but well nonsense, what a shock
he was never leaving this window.
Are you 100% sure he wont be moved in the next two summers?
What other club in the world hold their best player in such low esteem, a few months of slightly sloppy passing does not mean anything.
Ruud was a better pure goalscorer, and even though he was at one time my favourite United player, Rooney is without a doubt the better player.
No one disputed the fact that Ronaldo is a better player than Rooney, pointing out the obvious here makes no sense, as I also (just incase of situations like this) previously stated Ronaldo > Rooney.
And comparing a CB with a striker is just like comparing Dwight Howard to Allen Iverson, pointless because it's a completely different job they're doing.
Well the rumours were not about 2 years from now were they....
i don't think the rumours were about him moving this window seriously since they came out only the last week or so.
I think rooney will be moved in the next two summers and there is a grain of truth in the rumours that have currently been spreading.
This....we as supporters for the most part as do the general footballing media, hold Rooney up as one of the elite players in the world....but is he really? Then again, scored 27 league goals last season, can't say he isn't doing what he is ultimately suppose to accomplish on the pitch.
Without a doubt better for you. I think Ruud was better.
It's not pointless because you seem to think Rooney is the lifeblood of this team whereas in his time there have been players as good if not better than him (Rio, Vidic) and players definitely and easily better than him (ronaldo). Heck, now we've got Van Persie was the best player in the league last year and probably the best in England right now.
Basically, were a top club with many top players. Losing one would weaken us but I dont see it destroying us. I rate Nani very very highly as I do Rooney and Vidic and co. Losing any of them would be a set back. But nothing we can compensate for (given we buy well).
Let's be honest, even if we had Messi some people would still find a reason to be upset at something regarding him and his performances. We had Ronaldo and people still felt the need to bitch and moan.
It doesn't mather who he is, as long as some of you keep being spoiled as feck.
Pointing out mistakes is one thing, failing to give credit where credit is due is another.
I guess the only time when people will think highly of Rooney is when he'll eventualy leave United or retire, after all that's pretty much how it goes for United players these days.
It doesn't mather who he is, as long as some of you keep being spoiled as feck.
Pointing out mistakes is one thing, failing to give credit where credit is due is another.
I guess the only time when people will think highly of Rooney is when he'll eventualy leave United or retire, after all that's pretty much how it goes for United players these days.
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Yes, we can survive without Rooney, just like Barcelona can survive without Messi and Madrid can survive without Ronaldo. That's the whole point, it's a team sport.
That being said it's always a step back whichever way you look at it.
And how exactly does me saying losing Rooney would be terrible have anything to do with you comparing him with Rio & Vidič? Seriously dude, what the hell.
God what is it with some people (not you specificaly), I never once said Rooney is the best player in the world or that losing him would mean we would turn shit. All I'm saying is he's a world-class player, our best player, and it'd be a big blow if we lost him. Stop trying to put words in my mouth that I never said.
Now you're talking like a fanboi lamenting his hero not being worshipped by others as you do.
People are giving him plenty of credit. He's a top player. They just aren't understanding how you're putting him on a pedestrian Arsenal fans would put Henry on. That's the level you seem to think Rooney is at.
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