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Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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He's one of the best players in the world but because of the way he burst onto the scene when he was 16 people expected him to be one of the all time greats. Nicknames like the white Pele really haven't helped and he'll never get the appreciation he deserves because he's judged by some ridiculously high standards which were never really obtainable and very few players can ever hope to achieve. He'd play anywhere he's asked and there are very few top players who'd put up with that kind of shit, if you compare him to other players he's been extremely dedicated and willing to bend over backwards for the team.
Also with regards to the last time he asked to leave many fans had a lot worse to say about the direction the club was going in than he did, I'd be far happier to see them cut their ties with the club than one of our best ever players. Really don't think the fact that he's not the sharpest tool in the box and being a scouser helps matters either.
Also with regards to the last time he asked to leave many fans had a lot worse to say about the direction the club was going in than he did, I'd be far happier to see them cut their ties with the club than one of our best ever players. Really don't think the fact that he's not the sharpest tool in the box and being a scouser helps matters either.
It's very good, and to put it into perspective, after 11 season in the Premier League, Rooney has scored 214 goals in all competitions, including his goals for Everton. After 11 seasons in the top flight (as some of it overlapped with the old First Division) Alan Shearer scored 208 goals in all competitions. During the remainder of Shearer's career, there was only 4 more seasons where he scored more than 20 goals in all competitions. Shearer played pretty much entirely as an all out striker until his last 2 or 3 years. Rooney has quite often had a striker ahead of him (Saha, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Hernandez, RVP...). Shearer also took ALOT of penalties. Rooney only became our taker when Ronaldo left, and has now been usurped by RVP
The way his career has averaged out so far, he's doing very well. If eh stuck with us, or stays in the Premier League, I do believe he'll go on to be the leagues highest scorer, going beyond Shearer. I hope it's with us, all this stuff about leaving is garbage.
I think his stats are very good when you take into account the fact he has been deployed everywhere from ST, AM, CM, and both wings also.
If he gets his head sorted and cuts out the inconsistency (the infuriating misplaced short passes in particular) I think most people won't be so harsh on him.
As you've said his reliability infront of goal is crucial, even with RvP in the side.
If he moves abroad I do think it'll be better for him, with the media being less crazy then it is in England, it will let him focus more on football instead of the media making stories up every week. I've accepted by now that he's more then likely going to leave, and honestly it's his choice. We shouldn't be holding him back to stay here his whole career. He's been here for a very long time, have us his best years, and now he feels he needs a new challenge. Good luck to him.
I can't understand how he can watch Frank Lampard become Chelsea's all-time top scorer, and think "yeah, I'd rather be playing for PSG than doing that." I just can't believe that it's true.
Is this really true or just a recent trend in the final part of the season? You also got his position for the newcastle (COC) game blatantly wrong. so do tell wr8.
The question is do we need these services? We're exploiting his versatility.
Why not? If he's not happy here, becoming the top goalscorer won't make his life better. If he wants to try new things, then fair enough to him I say. He's given us nine years of service. He's not Neville or Giggs, who were basically brought up in the system, so why so much hate for him wanting to leave?
Rooney has been okay and still important, particularly for his ability to play in RVP a number of times this season. He just hasnt been of a standard where it would be impossible for us to find someone else instead of him and also perform at that level. If he wants to leave we're in the best position since he joined the club to deal with it imo.
New banner going up at OT. Make of it what you will.
There's no way we'd not put Wayne up there. Can you imagine the hysteria if we didn't?
Yes. Promotional images can easily be changed.
The banner outside OT will only be there for a couple of weeks.
This is a big decision for Rooney I guess, these next few years are his last chance to either really propel himself into the elite or to leave him as perhaps a top player who hasn't quite made the best of all his early talent.
I can understand him feeling that may be he needs a fresh start, he hasn't seemed as enthusiastic as he used to be and nor is he clearly as essential to the team as he once was, being subbed off a fair few games when we needed a goal and not even starting against Real at OT.
I always hoped that after this season, which lets face it hasn't been poor by any means for Rooney, he's been quietly efficient without really reaching the heights he could, anyway, I was hoping that having seen how good RVP is, the competition from Kagawa and Welbeck for the second striking spot, it would really inspire him to get back to his best, to really put the work in in the summer to come back as fit as he could, and try to work on the aspects of his game which have let him down such as his complacency, which has been noted by Fergie himself.
On Rooney's side I think you could understand him maybe feeling that he needs a fresh start and that at times we can look to really exploit his willingness/abaility to play most roles. Personally whilst I would admit that's a fairly valid point I think it's also true that if Rooney wasn't quite so prone to dips in form he wouldn't get moved around so much.
Still with a new manager there's every chance that maybe he'll see this as the fresh start he needs. I've never seen him as one to go abroad and personally not sure where he'd go. I personally don't think Real would go after him, if we're not using him as the lead striker then I'm not sure they would either. Bayern is a possibility but they have good strikers already, have just spent big on Gotze and look set to get Lewandowski.
If he goes somewhere in the PL it'll be for good cash and personally I don't think he's irreplaceable any more. I'd rather keep him but if someone offered 30-40 mil I'd take it. That said this could all likely be just some good timed rumors for Rooney to try and get a nice new contract, although I don't think he's in the same bargaining position he was before.
I can understand him feeling that may be he needs a fresh start, he hasn't seemed as enthusiastic as he used to be and nor is he clearly as essential to the team as he once was, being subbed off a fair few games when we needed a goal and not even starting against Real at OT.
I always hoped that after this season, which lets face it hasn't been poor by any means for Rooney, he's been quietly efficient without really reaching the heights he could, anyway, I was hoping that having seen how good RVP is, the competition from Kagawa and Welbeck for the second striking spot, it would really inspire him to get back to his best, to really put the work in in the summer to come back as fit as he could, and try to work on the aspects of his game which have let him down such as his complacency, which has been noted by Fergie himself.
On Rooney's side I think you could understand him maybe feeling that he needs a fresh start and that at times we can look to really exploit his willingness/abaility to play most roles. Personally whilst I would admit that's a fairly valid point I think it's also true that if Rooney wasn't quite so prone to dips in form he wouldn't get moved around so much.
Still with a new manager there's every chance that maybe he'll see this as the fresh start he needs. I've never seen him as one to go abroad and personally not sure where he'd go. I personally don't think Real would go after him, if we're not using him as the lead striker then I'm not sure they would either. Bayern is a possibility but they have good strikers already, have just spent big on Gotze and look set to get Lewandowski.
If he goes somewhere in the PL it'll be for good cash and personally I don't think he's irreplaceable any more. I'd rather keep him but if someone offered 30-40 mil I'd take it. That said this could all likely be just some good timed rumors for Rooney to try and get a nice new contract, although I don't think he's in the same bargaining position he was before.
Quietly efficient...... That's probably the best description of his season I've heard.
I don't mind if he stays and good description Ash. The boy needs to buck up his ideas though. Good stats for the season mind but his consistency has got to improve.
The divisiveness of Rooney among United fans shows that firstly, he's nowhere near as good as some people think, and secondly nowhere near as bad as some people say.
That being said, I really hope he stays (mainly because I have a goldfish named Rooney and my girlfriend will make me rename him), but wouldn't exactly be too pissed off at him if he decided to seek new challenges. As for what we would (will?) do in his absence, none of us knows right now because we're going to have a new manager and he will definitely have new ideas and approaches.
That being said, I really hope he stays (mainly because I have a goldfish named Rooney and my girlfriend will make me rename him), but wouldn't exactly be too pissed off at him if he decided to seek new challenges. As for what we would (will?) do in his absence, none of us knows right now because we're going to have a new manager and he will definitely have new ideas and approaches.
guys...it doesn't matter about stats or anything, the guy wants to go, it's so bloody obvious its silly. He's been here 8 or 9 years, given a bloody brilliant service and has one more challenge left, because the way he is physically, he won't be top draw when he is 30. So fine...go do it. He fecked up his status the first time he requested a transfer, so to be honest it really is no loss in terms of the bigger picture. How many other players has fecked off....only years later to regret doing so...so hey, another one bites the dust...
Not sure if it's transfer/Moyes/Fergie/Rooney related but SSN saying some 'big news' to come from Old Trafford soon. It could be bollocks, but don't shoot the messenger.
Good post, though on the bit I quoted, I really don't think it's that. Maybe I'm being naive. But I won't believe it's that unless there's some evidence. He just feels he's in a rut.
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yeah...rooney's off..that's what that is...and you can quote me on that...
I believe we do. Rooney has had a mediocre season by his standards, but I honestly feel he has a lot to offer to this current United squad.
If the rumours are true though and the lad does want a move away, then whatever, I don't want to lose him, but at the same time I want players to play for us that at least want to be here.
It was about Scholes.
I think that's a good point. If he wants to go I wish him well. But I reckon when he looks back on his career one day he'll regret it more than we do.
Summary of his games this season:
Everton - not a good game
Fulham - came off the bench late on and got his thigh stamped through
Spurs - came off the bench after injury and played very well
Cluj - outstanding, assisted RVP twice
Newcastle - outstanding, man of the match
Stoke - very good game, two goals and an assist (and own goal)
Braga - don't remember too much of this game, think he had a decent game
Chelsea - first half very good, second half not very good since we sat deep
Arsenal - won man of the match and did a great job on Arteta
Braga - very good game, scored a penalty, assisted Hernandez with a back heel
Aston Villa - not a good game
QPR - decent game
West Ham - not a good game
Reading - excellent game, scored twice and assisted once, MOTM
Cluj - not a good game, played with second team
Manchester City - excellent game, two goals away from home in a derby
Sunderland - good game, scored
Swansea - very bad game
Spurs - came off the bench, probably should've got a penalty
Southampton - excellent, two goals
Fulham - only goal in a 1-0 victory, MOTM
Everton - good game, then put a defensive shift in once we were winning
Real Madrid - out of position, not his best game, assist from a corner
QPR - good sub appearance
Norwich - excellent game, two assists and a wonder goal
Real Madrid - sub appearance when we were down to 10 men
Chelsea - one of our better players, scored, some sloppy passes
Reading - scored our only goal, MOTM
Manchester City - decent game coming back from injury
Stoke - MOTM out of position in a holding midfield role
West Ham - not a good game in a weird midfield role
Aston Villa - superb assist to RVP out of position in a midfield role
Arsenal - not his best game, whole team didn't play well. outstanding pass
Chelsea - sub appearance, not good
Make of that what you will.
Everton - not a good game
Fulham - came off the bench late on and got his thigh stamped through
Spurs - came off the bench after injury and played very well
Cluj - outstanding, assisted RVP twice
Newcastle - outstanding, man of the match
Stoke - very good game, two goals and an assist (and own goal)
Braga - don't remember too much of this game, think he had a decent game
Chelsea - first half very good, second half not very good since we sat deep
Arsenal - won man of the match and did a great job on Arteta
Braga - very good game, scored a penalty, assisted Hernandez with a back heel
Aston Villa - not a good game
QPR - decent game
West Ham - not a good game
Reading - excellent game, scored twice and assisted once, MOTM
Cluj - not a good game, played with second team
Manchester City - excellent game, two goals away from home in a derby
Sunderland - good game, scored
Swansea - very bad game
Spurs - came off the bench, probably should've got a penalty
Southampton - excellent, two goals
Fulham - only goal in a 1-0 victory, MOTM
Everton - good game, then put a defensive shift in once we were winning
Real Madrid - out of position, not his best game, assist from a corner
QPR - good sub appearance
Norwich - excellent game, two assists and a wonder goal
Real Madrid - sub appearance when we were down to 10 men
Chelsea - one of our better players, scored, some sloppy passes
Reading - scored our only goal, MOTM
Manchester City - decent game coming back from injury
Stoke - MOTM out of position in a holding midfield role
West Ham - not a good game in a weird midfield role
Aston Villa - superb assist to RVP out of position in a midfield role
Arsenal - not his best game, whole team didn't play well. outstanding pass
Chelsea - sub appearance, not good
Make of that what you will.
Moyes should tell him if he stays he'll have "once a blue always a blue" tattooed on his arse.
You compiled this list? It's very subjective. I don't have such a command of the details as you but essentially that's how I remember it, Rooney having a pretty good season. I never quite understand the abuse he gets.
So he's had a lot of good or very good games but he's had a terrible season apparently.
Yeah my list, people can feel free to disagree. I forgot to add the other Newcastle match he was outstanding in too. And the cup match vs Fulham where he cut inside and scored a beauty with his left. Also the West Ham game where we won 1-0 with his goal. So basically I didn't include the cup matches.
Having arse hair on his head negates it all
Not a bad list. As simon said, it's a very subjective list but good effort!
And that list is your basis?
I've already said countless times that he's had a more than decent season with maybe 3-5 terrible performances. His stats and reading that list and recollecting his performances in games this season further backs up what I think about his season. He's had a good season where he's managed to score 16 goals and tons of assists despite picking up a lot of injuries and despite being shifted around positionally due to RvP coming in. Not his best season but hardly a "poor" one.
I don't pay much attention to stats. However, my eyes tell me this has been Rooney's worst season.
And most certainly not so bad a season that justifies him being sold off or calls of his decline being issued!
If rumours are correct it's Rooney who wants to move. I don't think many fans reasoning to sell is due to his perceived decline, or he is a bad player.
wr8_utd has finally moved on from Sneijder.
Rumors on Twitter that Jones injured Rooney in training and he's out of tomorrow's match. Hope it's just that, rumors.
Reports of a "bust up" with Jones. This is such a terrible week. Won't be surprised if it's just random Twitter nonsense though.
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