Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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than 90% of you should be ashamed of yourself for jumping the gun like that with no evidence or proof and just bash away because you feel like it.

As far as I can see, no one seems to be sure about Rooney's departure. Nevertheless, the rumors have been pretty hot over the last few weeks. Profiles like Bryan Robson and Alan Hansen have actually taken part in the "sell Rooney debate", so it's hardly just a twitter rumor.

Since the rumors are more solid than usual, it makes sense for us to debate exactly how much we need Rooney now. No one is suggesting that Rooney isn't a brilliant player, nor that he hasn't done a lot for us. But is he really as vital as one would think? In my opinion: no. And I like Rooney!

RVP is a better striker and Kagawa is a better AM. Rooney falls somewhere in-between. He is our best "second-striker" by far, but we might also have seen his best days. Rooney's main strengths are: presence, hard work, goal scoring and versatility. In my opinion, there are many better goal scorers out there. As for presence, I think Rooney's just losing more and more burst and energy, so he's hardly as involved in the game as he once was. His hard work, while admirable, is also bound to drop as he gets older. And yes, he is a versatile player, but he's not running past players anymore, nor is his short-passing anything to brag about.

What makes Rooney "unique" is that he's a top goal scorer who also supports the midfield pretty well, especially in the defensive part of the game. No one can take this away from him. But are we really worse off with Kagawa and RVP + a potential new signing? I don't think so.
 
Not aimed at you personally, but I always find it amusing how we, based on no inside information of our own, decide to ignore/deny things that come out in the media. Now I have been around the block enough times to realise that not everything printed turns out true - but we do tend to have a habit of validating reports based on nothing. Like when Fergie is reported to be considering retirement, we say 'no he isn't, it's bollocks' or 'we wouldn't announce it like that'.

Truth of the matter is we know feck all about anything, and the media know far more than we give them credit for. Personally, I consider the possibility of every report being true. I mean, I'm just a random bloke who works for Enfield Council, I couldn't be further out of the loop.

I tend to think of it this way, you have two types of people, those who believe pretty much everything they read, and those who believe pretty much nothing. And while neither of the 2 types of people are right all the time, I think more often than not the rumours are bullshit, and I'm better off not buying into that crap (if it happens it happens) than I would be buying in (getting excited or disgruntled at the possibility of us signing players/letting players go).

If the story's concrete you're gonna hear more about it anyway, but as long as the rumours continue like this, with no significant proof of any kind, then I rather choose not to get sucked into all this for no reason other than the fact some journalist had to write something to pay the bills.
 
Quite honestly who gives a monkeys chuff. Given the same amount of game time as Rooney has had this season I have absolutely no doubt that Hernandez can do better than 12 league goals and Kagawa better than 10 assists.

Yeah I'd love to see Kagawa and Hernandez do that from central midifield and being shifted around positionally every week. Just 3 players (including Rooney) have double digits in League goals and assists this season. It's not that easy.
 
The Independent say he's ready to make a U turn and stay? :lol:

This is just typical media nonsense now. 2 days back all of them said he's off and now slowly they're all saying he could stay. First Ben Smith and now this Independent article.
 
Its interesting through, I was thinking about this last night and I felt way more resentful about Ronaldo wanting to leave than Rooney. There are quite a few reasons for this. The main ones being:

1) I do feel Rooney has had a bit of a hard time of it, with being shunted around various positions. Not that I think the club were wrong to do that, it is SAF's prerogative to play Rooney wherever he wants to. But it is also justifiable if Rooney thinks he can find another big European club where he will be used in his favourite position, and enjoy his football more. (Clearly I have no idea whether Rooney feels this way, but I would understand it if he did.) Whereas Ronaldo had the team playing to his tune.

2) I went through the whole Ronaldo business, the whole feeling which I often compared to being left by your girlfriend, but got over it. Having been through it once, I am more immune to it this time.

You being serious? Ronaldo wanted to join his dream club. He promised to stay one more season, and he did.

Rooney has now complained twice, the first well publicised, the second not yet substantiated, the two of which are not mutually exclusive.

And you are still more pissed with Ronaldo?
 
If its because of the way he's been played out of position, a talk with Moyes could sort it out. But then I dont see how anyone can give him assurances of playing as a proper striker when we have RVP at the club.
 
I tend to think of it this way, you have two types of people, those who believe pretty much everything they read, and those who believe pretty much nothing. And while neither of the 2 types of people are right all the time, I think more often than not the rumours are bullshit, and I'm better off not buying into that crap (if it happens it happens) than I would be buying in (getting excited or disgruntled at the possibility of us signing players/letting players go).

If the story's concrete you're gonna hear more about it anyway, but as long as the rumours continue like this, with no significant proof of any kind, then I rather choose not to get sucked into all this for no reason other than the fact some journalist had to write something to pay the bills.

Yea, you're right. I am guilty of 'dismissing' things that I am not qualified to dismiss at all, just like everyone else. It's just that when we think about it, we actually have no clue at all ourselves that's all. I guess experience gives us an ability to vet stories a bit better.

That said, the notion that people like Guillerme Ballague has no clue at all what he is talking about seems a bit ridiculous to me, or at least, coming from me.
 
You being serious? Ronaldo wanted to join his dream club. He promised to stay one more season, and he did.

Rooney has now complained twice, the first well publicised, the second not yet substantiated, the two of which are not mutually exclusive.

And you are still more pissed with Ronaldo?

If Rooney had ever behaved as badly as Ronaldo did in the summer of 2008, you'd all want Rooney banished to the reserves or hanged. Ronaldo's behaviour in 2008 was nothing short of a disgrace. A lot of people bang on about how much Rooney disrespected the club and Fergie but what Ronaldo did was a lot worse. And Real Madrid being his childhood dream is a load of nonsense, in 2006 he said he wants to go to Madrid or Barca.
 
The Independent say he's ready to make a U turn and stay? :lol:

This is just typical media nonsense now. 2 days back all of them said he's off and now slowly they're all saying he could stay. First Ben Smith and now this Independent article.

It's been typical media nonsense for the past month now. They have shot left, right and center praying for a hit somewhere.
 
Hes just not worth the headaches he brings anymore. what he brings to the team can be replaced by players we already have, yet he still appears to believe he is king shit.
 
What Rooney did this week is a lot worse than what he did in 2010 or Ronaldo in 2008. Himself and/or his PR team are trying to force United's hand, in a week where we really don't need any other issues. It's blatantly obvious that this story has been leaked by Stretford and Co. just by the timing of it. And fans like myself who had forgiven him for 2010, aren't going to now that he's tried to overshadow the retirement of Sir Alex by being a greedy cnut.

What he has done this week is shameful, worse than that MUTV interview with Keane, worse than Cantona's kung fu kick, worse than Tevez and his idiotic fans interrupting Ferguson's end of season speech, worse than any behavior of any Manchester United player I can remember.
 
The Independent say he's ready to make a U turn and stay? :lol:

This is just typical media nonsense now. 2 days back all of them said he's off and now slowly they're all saying he could stay. First Ben Smith and now this Independent article.

Why is it media nonsense? Why could he not have changed his mind? The media know a lot more than us about Rooney's situation, it's their job.
 
Why hasn't Wayne denied any of this yet then? That's what I'm not getting.

How many times is he or the club going to come out and deny it? The papers link with moves away all season.

What Rooney did this week is a lot worse than what he did in 2010 or Ronaldo in 2008. Himself and/or his PR team are trying to force United's hand, in a week where we really don't need any other issues. It's blatantly obvious that this story has been leaked by Stretford and Co. just by the timing of it. And fans like myself who had forgiven him for 2010, aren't going to now that he's tried to overshadow the retirement of Sir Alex by being a greedy cnut.

There's a lot of assumptions in that. Anyway it doesn't make a difference if he stays or leaves and if these rumors are true or not as everyone has already made up their minds about him and what he is.
 
There's a lot of assumptions in that. Anyway it doesn't make a difference if he stays or leaves and if these rumors are true or not as everyone has already made up their minds about him and what he is.

It's not an assumption. It's pretty much a fact. Why didn't it leak two weeks ago as opposed to the day after Ferguson retired? There is only two people could leak it, Rooney's camp or a source within Manchester United itself, and the latter would've leaked it when it occured, rather than wait till now.
 
Why is it media nonsense? Why could he not have changed his mind? The media know a lot more than us about Rooney's situation, it's their job.

3 weeks back he was leaving, 2.5 weeks back he was staying, 2 days back he was leaving and now he might stay again? There are going to be a lot more of these stories before the summer is out. As for the media knowing what's going on with Rooney, wasn't there that one night last season where absolutely ALL of the media came out of the story that Rooney was definitely leaving and that turned out to be complete nonsense?
 
How many times is he or the club going to come out and deny it? The papers link with moves away all season.

Is it really that difficult for him to log on to Twitter and rubbish it all though? I can understand the club not coming out and denying every rumour, but footballers themselves can do it with ease now.
 
It's not an assumption. It's pretty much a fact. Why didn't it leak two weeks ago as opposed to the day after Ferguson retired? There is only two people could leak it, Rooney's camp or a source within Manchester United itself, and the latter would've leaked it when it occured, rather than wait till now.

Fact?:lol:
 
If Rooney had ever behaved as badly as Ronaldo did in the summer of 2008, you'd all want Rooney banished to the reserves or hanged. Ronaldo's behaviour in 2008 was nothing short of a disgrace. A lot of people bang on about how much Rooney disrespected the club and Fergie but what Ronaldo did was a lot worse. And Real Madrid being his childhood dream is a load of nonsense, in 2006 he said he wants to go to Madrid or Barca.

Please describe Ronaldo's disgraceful behaviour in the summer of 2008?
 
Is it really that difficult for him to log on to Twitter and rubbish it all though? I can understand the club not coming out and denying every rumour, but footballers themselves can do it with ease now.

Because he obviously wants a new contract/or to leave. His team leaked it the day after Fergusons annoucement assumingly to catch United out during their most critical stage in 26 years.
 
Please describe Ronaldo's disgraceful behaviour in the summer of 2008?

Agreeing with Sepp Blatter's comments that he was being "enslaved" to his contract at United, comes immediately to mind. And then a year and of tantrums, "I stay" and track suit throwing. (And about 3 months of good form too mind)
 
It's simple for me. If he wants to leave then he should do it. No player is bigger than this club and he must be joking if he wants more money after his last huge deal. Rooney is not worth it, he's not as important for us anymore as he was in 2010.

Would not be sad if he left. We got Kagawa to play AM and with not £220.000+/week.
 
3 weeks back he was leaving, 2.5 weeks back he was staying, 2 days back he was leaving and now he might stay again? There are going to be a lot more of these stories before the summer is out. As for the media knowing what's going on with Rooney, wasn't there that one night last season where absolutely ALL of the media came out of the story that Rooney was definitely leaving and that turned out to be complete nonsense?

It's not media rubbish though. It's quite obvious he asked to leave and there's something going on behind the scenes. A lot of bullshit gets said but they DO get things right. You seem to be clinging to the deluded hope United is Rooney's dream club for the rest of his career when he's asked to leave before and has so again - as reported as fact by pretty much every news outlet! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=r...ome.0.57j0j62.3450j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Personally I hope he does change his mind and stays providing he actually gives a feck next season. I can see why a lot of people think he may be past his best though, and perhaps a change of club would re-energize his career.
 
Rooney has no ground to force our hand anyway. He hasn't pushed on at all since 2010, and is becoming increasingly marginalized. The reason Stretford & Co. leaked it this week, assumingly is to force United's hand so they won't appear to be facing a crisis of mass exodus.
 
It's not an assumption. It's pretty much a fact. Why didn't it leak two weeks ago as opposed to the day after Ferguson retired? There is only two people could leak it, Rooney's camp or a source within Manchester United itself, and the latter would've leaked it when it occured, rather than wait till now.

Because some journalists say so? If it was such a fact, would Fergie have continued to play him even after the incident?

Please describe Ronaldo's disgraceful behaviour in the summer of 2008?

You're joking, right? From his entire summer of "only God knows the future" to agreeing with Blatters comments, everything he did that summer was a disgrace. He flirted with Madrid pretty much all summer and then only signed a deal at the end of it. His behavior was far worse than what Rooney has done.
 
Rooney has no ground to force our hand anyway. He hasn't pushed on at all since 2010, and is becoming increasingly marginalized. The reason Stretford & Co. leaked it this week, assumingly is to force United's hand so they won't appear to be facing a crisis of mass exodus.

Eh?
 
You're joking, right? From his entire summer of "only God knows the future" to agreeing with Blatters comments, everything he did that summer was a disgrace. He flirted with Madrid pretty much all summer and then only signed a deal at the end of it. His behavior was far worse than what Rooney has done.
Spot on. If Ronaldo had left in 2008, he would not have got a good welcome at Old Trafford in march. It would have been like Tevez.
 
You being serious? Ronaldo wanted to join his dream club. He promised to stay one more season, and he did.

Rooney has now complained twice, the first well publicised, the second not yet substantiated, the two of which are not mutually exclusive.

And you are still more pissed with Ronaldo?

Not still more pissed with Ronaldo at all, no. But I was pissed off then. I was gutted.

Whereas now, I want Rooney to stay, but if he goes I will move on quite quickly, and feel less resentment about it.

I dont bear any ill will to Ronaldo now at all, I got over it after a few months.
 

Rooney up until March 2010, looked like he was in the worlds top 3-5. He clearly hasn't come anywhere close to recapturing that since signing in October 2010.
 
Because some journalists say so? If it was such a fact, would Fergie have continued to play him even after the incident?



You're joking, right? From his entire summer of "only God knows the future" to agreeing with Blatters comments, everything he did that summer was a disgrace. He flirted with Madrid pretty much all summer and then only signed a deal at the end of it. His behavior was far worse than what Rooney has done.

Why am I joking? I asked seriously for you to describe what happened.

I think that behaviour was bad, yes. Not going to defend that.

Doesn't stop me from resenting Rooney for publicly saying that we needed better players, thus undermining his manager.

And now bitching about not being played according to his Majesty's wishes.
 
Because some journalists say so? If it was such a fact, would Fergie have continued to play him even after the incident?

Because he hasn't denied it, and instead has let it fester at a time when we really don't need it. If anything his body language when being interviewed after the villa game hinted strongly at a departure, him removing "Manchester United player" from his twitter handle is another sign too.
 
What he has done this week is shameful, worse than that MUTV interview with Keane, worse than Cantona's kung fu kick, worse than Tevez and his idiotic fans interrupting Ferguson's end of season speech, worse than any behavior of any Manchester United player I can remember.

But he hasn't really done anything yet. There's no source. There's no official transfer request. There's just journalists latching on to "it is believed Rooney has asked to leave".

Guilty until proven innocent?
 
You're joking, right? From his entire summer of "only God knows the future" to agreeing with Blatters comments, everything he did that summer was a disgrace. He flirted with Madrid pretty much all summer and then only signed a deal at the end of it. His behavior was far worse than what Rooney has done.

Different culture.

Ronaldo could have done our life hell, forcing us to let him go on peanuts. Once SAF's told him to shut up, he did and ended up signing a new contract which boosted our chances in selling him for top dollar.

Ronaldo was always a professional with us in and out of the pitch. He improved year after year, his temper and off the pitch antics were never an issue + he never questioned the club's ambition. He was just a young player who wanted to play with the team he supported as a child. Can you blame him on that?
 
Difference between Ronaldo and Rooney, is that Ronaldo always wanted to play for Madrid, despite this "I stay" bollocks, everyone knew. I think we would've matched any contract Madrid would've thrown if we had to. Rooney in 2010 and perhaps now in 2013 is doing this to recieve a better contract.
 
But he hasn't really done anything yet. There's no source. There's no official transfer request. There's just journalists latching on to "it is believed Rooney has asked to leave".

Guilty until proven innocent?

He is clearly aware of it. In fact I remember him denying reports he was leaving in 2011 on twitter. Colleen was bombarded with messages on twitter, and she told eveyone to ask him. He's hardly unaware.
 
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