I think it's clear he's still going to hold huge influence at the club, especially given he's still technically manager. We've just appointed one of his mates on a 6 year contract based mainly on his recommendation I imagine, so we're certainly not going to ignore the decisions he wants to make. If he sees one of our most valuable assets as dispensable, and given he's not had the best relationship with our new manager, it wouldn't surprise me if the club would begin the process of moving him out.
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Ferguson will continue to be a massive influence within the club, yes. But two weeks before his retirement would he give the green light to selling one of the clubs best players, without consulting Moyes? I think not. This is Rooney's doing, I reckon.
Its time for Wayne to move on imo. His influence is waning, and there's no point in risking a repeat of the issues he had with Moyes before. At 28 this year, it would seem ideal to move him on for a decent fee as long as we have a replacement in mind.
If he really wants to move, then I would say let him go, but for nothing less than 35-40 million pounds.
He's at his peak in terms of his career, yes, would be good for the stability of the squad if he stayed, but well if he wants to go then we should cash in. Massive wage bill cut, too. And buy Lewa.
He's at his peak in terms of his career, yes, would be good for the stability of the squad if he stayed, but well if he wants to go then we should cash in. Massive wage bill cut, too. And buy Lewa.
I'd be surprised if we get more than £30million, or even £30million on the dot. RVP isn't much older, is much better and we got him for £24million. Rooney has an extra year on his contract, but we are still selling him because we have to. Maybe if we'd have sold him last summer on the back of his excellent goalscoring season, then perhaps £35million might have been adequate, but I really do think clubs will look at his return, his injuries and his general performance and quite rightfully bid below £25million. I could be wrong, but I can't see us getting big money for him, unless that club has more money than sense. PSG perhaps.
This.
I really hope he's sold in the summer.
It seems he has lacked desire and commitment this season. I personally think he needs a change of direction. Either a mindset change or club. The interesting change of wind is in the supporters psyche - they don't seem to be particularly bothered if he goes, unlike 2010.
Yeah if he goes, he goes.
In 2010 the squad was weaker and felt older - also there were genuine concerns about our financial situation after two relatively disappointing summers.
This time everything seems to be in far better shape; also, Fergie's retirement is far bigger news than anything, we don't have the time or energy to worry about Rooney as well. If he's that desperate to go, let him go.
One disgruntled outburst was enough, now it looks like he has expressed a wish to leave for a second time.
Why should United tolerate this insolent behaviour, regardless of which player it was.
Rooney is not so special that he can get away with this.
United should let him go. We don't need prima donnas like Rooney - he's not even prima any longer.
Why should United tolerate this insolent behaviour, regardless of which player it was.
Rooney is not so special that he can get away with this.
United should let him go. We don't need prima donnas like Rooney - he's not even prima any longer.
He pretty much is, which is why he got away with it last time and got a massive new contract to boot.
I think the squad can do without him now, what with potential new signings coming in (even though we don't know who).
I don't think he has been special recently and I don't like his sulky behaviour.
But hey, some still think he's the "heartbeat" of the team...
Yeah I've noticed a considerable change too. Back in 2010 Rooney was everything to the team, you just couldn't imagine us coping without him back then. Now we have RVP, Welbeck developing nicely, Hernandez who is a top striker as it is and is always improving and one of the best young attacking talents around in Kagawa. That's not even including who United might have in mind to replace him.
We are far from fecked if he is to go.
If there is any truth to this, then I'd bet money that Rooney won't even be named in the squad this Sunday.
I think the main reason why fans act differently than last year is because they are fed up with his antics and issues. One time, you can forgive but if it happens again you get fed up
Hopefully
The reason he got away last time was because we were lacking that quality up front and in the center. Right now, we have Cleverley maturing, RvP and Kagawa have boosted our attack. If he really has gone in and handed a transfer request and is adamant to move, pretty sure he will be shipped off without any regrets. We have better players in RvP and arguably Kagawa. It's him who will be having any sort of regret. Not us. He is not that special anymore.
It's sad to say, but it's still the truth.
I want him to stay because he's still a classy player, but if he wants to leave, then I'll have no problem saying goodbye. He's not nearly good enough to play the prima donna card, and he's not quite managed to reach the heights of certain United legends anyways. He's also left a nasty stain on his reputation after 2010.
Rooney is a brilliant player who still has the potential to go down as a United legend(if he stays), but he's hardly irreplaceable. It would be weird to see him go, but I'm defenitely not going to feel too bad about it, unless he goes to one of our domestic rivals.
I think Rooney is special, and would hate to see him leave.
I'm not overly convinced there's much in these rumours about his departure, though. And I'm not going to spend my energy dreading the day he goes.
I'm not overly convinced there's much in these rumours about his departure, though. And I'm not going to spend my energy dreading the day he goes.
3 years ago he was undroppable, now he hardly makes the first team.
Seriously - if Rooney WAS so special and indispensable, he would have played against Real in the 2nd leg?
He was dropped for one game - the biggest game of the season. And that translates to "he hardly makes the first team." Bringing a little bit of tabloid class to the forums eh?
True enough, but the thing is, he hasn't played well enough to think he is indispensable.
I think Moyes should let him go and we start afresh. Way too much baggage.
We have since signed a better striker than him (on his request, seemingly).
In 2010 when I saw the sky sports report on Rooney demanding a transfer a felt physically sick to my stomach.
This time I just feel anger and resentment towards him. More of a "how dare he treat our club this way again" feeling than a "shit, we'll be fecked without him" feeling like last time.
This time I just feel anger and resentment towards him. More of a "how dare he treat our club this way again" feeling than a "shit, we'll be fecked without him" feeling like last time.
It is the absolutely archetypal example of the phrase, "careful watch you wish for, you just might get it."
Its interesting through, I was thinking about this last night and I felt way more resentful about Ronaldo wanting to leave than Rooney. There are quite a few reasons for this. The main ones being:
1) I do feel Rooney has had a bit of a hard time of it, with being shunted around various positions. Not that I think the club were wrong to do that, it is SAF's prerogative to play Rooney wherever he wants to. But it is also justifiable if Rooney thinks he can find another big European club where he will be used in his favourite position, and enjoy his football more. (Clearly I have no idea whether Rooney feels this way, but I would understand it if he did.) Whereas Ronaldo had the team playing to his tune.
2) I went through the whole Ronaldo business, the whole feeling which I often compared to being left by your girlfriend, but got over it. Having been through it once, I am more immune to it this time.
1) I do feel Rooney has had a bit of a hard time of it, with being shunted around various positions. Not that I think the club were wrong to do that, it is SAF's prerogative to play Rooney wherever he wants to. But it is also justifiable if Rooney thinks he can find another big European club where he will be used in his favourite position, and enjoy his football more. (Clearly I have no idea whether Rooney feels this way, but I would understand it if he did.) Whereas Ronaldo had the team playing to his tune.
2) I went through the whole Ronaldo business, the whole feeling which I often compared to being left by your girlfriend, but got over it. Having been through it once, I am more immune to it this time.
Rooney's ghost writer was being a knob on Five Live last night.
Opened by having a dig at Rio, suggesting he was being insincere and self serving by praising Moyes. Then said Rooney should have left 2 years ago and that it was Fergie's fault that he'd stagnated as a player and looking depressed all the time.
Opened by having a dig at Rio, suggesting he was being insincere and self serving by praising Moyes. Then said Rooney should have left 2 years ago and that it was Fergie's fault that he'd stagnated as a player and looking depressed all the time.
you guys don't even know if there's any truth to the entire article except for the only quote in the entire thing, which states: "Rooney is not for sale", but sure, take whatever ammo you need and blast away, around half of you lot were just waiting for an excuse to bash him and "run him out of town".
It's really sad reading bullcrap like how he's not a first-teamer anymore and how he's lost it.
Yeah he's hardly had his best season, but he's been productive none-the-less.
His goal/assist to minute ratio is better than Suarez's this season for one, and he was "a revelation" this season. I don't think he got to play a single game as a striker, and was played either as a deep #10, a left winger or a pure central midfielder and still managed to do that, and when RvP was going through the goal drought it was Rooney who stepped up, led the team and secured some vital points.
Not to mention I think letting him go is a huge mistake (considering the rumours are bullshit) because not only is nothing concrete yet, but we'd be losing our best player (yes, even though RvP outperformed him this season I still believe Rooney's our #1 guy) without getting anyone like him in return, we wouldn't get sufficient money for him anyway, and it would just suck to see him playing the way he played for United for another team.
Funny thing is a lot of you were saying how "2010 isn't the reason" why you refuse to give Rooney credit where credit is due, but when push comes to shove all of you just love pointing that out.
Yeah, if it's true that he wants to leave he should, as it would probably mean the least this year because noone can compare with SAF's importance to the club, but if that report is bullshit (like I expect it is), than 90% of you should be ashamed of yourself for jumping the gun like that with no evidence or proof and just bash away because you feel like it.
It's really sad reading bullcrap like how he's not a first-teamer anymore and how he's lost it.
Yeah he's hardly had his best season, but he's been productive none-the-less.
His goal/assist to minute ratio is better than Suarez's this season for one, and he was "a revelation" this season. I don't think he got to play a single game as a striker, and was played either as a deep #10, a left winger or a pure central midfielder and still managed to do that, and when RvP was going through the goal drought it was Rooney who stepped up, led the team and secured some vital points.
Not to mention I think letting him go is a huge mistake (considering the rumours are bullshit) because not only is nothing concrete yet, but we'd be losing our best player (yes, even though RvP outperformed him this season I still believe Rooney's our #1 guy) without getting anyone like him in return, we wouldn't get sufficient money for him anyway, and it would just suck to see him playing the way he played for United for another team.
Funny thing is a lot of you were saying how "2010 isn't the reason" why you refuse to give Rooney credit where credit is due, but when push comes to shove all of you just love pointing that out.
Yeah, if it's true that he wants to leave he should, as it would probably mean the least this year because noone can compare with SAF's importance to the club, but if that report is bullshit (like I expect it is), than 90% of you should be ashamed of yourself for jumping the gun like that with no evidence or proof and just bash away because you feel like it.
I have no sympathy with this line of argument.
If he wants a new challenge or to experience a new team/league or whatever at this stage of his career I'm perfectly fine with that, it strikes me as being reasonable. Players wanting to leave teams happens all the time and for various reasons, and when you consider that he's given us more than half of his career then really you can't begrudge him for wanting to go.
However, it is basically literally his job description to go out and execute the manager's instructions.
Hang on though, if you read the rest of what I said in that post, we completely agree. I am not saying SAF has done anythign wrong. But nor has Rooney. He hasnt complained, he hasnt made a fuss, he has played where he has been asked to. Now if he wants to leave because he would rather not do it, as I said - and you said - fair enough.
I think people are also sick of the drop off in form and most importantly effort when he decides he might not want to play for us anymore. It's not good enough. I want him to stay if be knuckles down and puts the effort into staying sharp. If not then make sure we get a good fee for him and put it to use.
The only two were
Everton away (absolute dogshit)
Southampton home (he scored our only goal after a Kagawa chipped through ball).
It was aimed more at the ether than at you in fairness. There are bundles of people on here and twitter saying that he's shown great dedication by playing in a number of different positions as if this is some great favour to the club, as opposed to literally his job.
Not aimed at you personally, but I always find it amusing how we, based on no inside information of our own, decide to ignore/deny things that come out in the media. Now I have been around the block enough times to realise that not everything printed turns out true - but we do tend to have a habit of validating reports based on nothing. Like when Fergie is reported to be considering retirement, we say 'no he isn't, it's bollocks' or 'we wouldn't announce it like that'.
Truth of the matter is we know feck all about anything, and the media know far more than we give them credit for. Personally, I consider the possibility of every report being true. I mean, I'm just a random bloke who works for Enfield Council, I couldn't be further out of the loop.
Quite honestly who gives a monkeys chuff. Given the same amount of game time as Rooney has had this season I have absolutely no doubt that Hernandez can do better than 12 league goals and Kagawa better than 10 assists.
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