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I doubt Rooney would want to leave because he feels threatened by Kagawa and van Persie. At the end of the day the other attacking options for the front four are Young, Valencia, Nani, Welbeck and Hernández and Rooney will feel he'll have no problem getting in ahead of them. We're going through the exact same bizarre scenario where Rooney echoes many fans' thoughts yet gets lambasted for it. In 09/10 we lost the title and a chance at getting into a historic third CL final in a row purely because of Rooney's injury. There's no doubt he would have wanted us to bring in another top, top player that's capable of winning games on his own to compensate for any time Rooney's not able to. We know this because all players want the team to improve and Rooney has no problems playing a supporting role - as Giggs and many others have since said.

In the 2010 summer loads of people questioned (not criticised) the club's ambition in exactly the same way. We'd sold Ronaldo and Tévez, Berbatov was the only big signing and he didn't come off, Valencia was doing a good job but couldn't replace what we lost. As a consequence our football gradually began to become more stale and people questioned what we were doing to change that and there were no top players on the horizon. People were complaining about Sir Alex's comments about "value" and asking whether that lack of value in the market would mean we were ruling ourselves out of signing the best of the best. It doesn't mean that Rooney was right to do what he did. Of course he wasn't. I just think it makes him a bit of an idiot and/or knee jerk fool who should've known to trust his manager, much like millions of fans and players across the world. It doesn't make him a cnut, just misguided.

Even last summer Sir Alex continued to voice concerns over things like Hazard going to Chelsea because they were willing to pay the agent an extra £5m+ on top or Lucas going to PSG for an extortionate amount. Sir Alex looks at the long-term development of these things but players generally aren't the "visionary" types. They just see top players seemingly rejecting more prestigious, successful, stable clubs for the "ambitious project" at a sugardaddy club year after year. It can all build up to create a picture that the sugardaddy clubs are the ones that are progressing while we're sitting on our hands watching Ronaldo and Tévez excelling at Madrid and City and the players begin to wonder what can be done to turn things around. The sugardaddy clubs are signing the top players that we want, the glamour clubs are taking the top players we already have and we're priced out of even making moves for young, developing players like Lucas. Rooney thought the way to turn it around was to make a marquee signing but fast forward a few months however and we've just reached the CL final, and Rooney is reminded that with Sir Alex in charge we'll always challenge. That alone will have shown him he was well off the mark to question the club's ambition but questioning how the club was going to achieve it seems entirely reasonable. Sir Alex seems to have agreed that something needed to change. Fast forward another 12 months and the club's just bought a rival player for the first time in decades and that rival player happens to be the best player in the league. Not only that but Sir Alex is talking about significant changes in our transfer strategy:



Maybe Sir Alex shared Rooney's thoughts all along that another top player was needed in there alongside him but he took a more patient, long-term view of things or maybe the van Persie opportunity just conveniently popped up and changed Sir Alex's perspective but either way it goes some way to justifying Rooney's (short-sighted) feelings at the time. If things had continued to go the same way with the sugardaddy clubs signing up every top player going then City would have signed van Persie and they'd have won back-to-back titles and Rooney's fears would come true. There's nothing wrong with asking the question about where you want to be in your career in a few years' time and asking whether you can achieve those goals. That's how we got the new crowd favourite van Persie. Yes his worries were more justified but why should that alone be the difference between being the club's new favourite player and being the club's most maligned player? Rooney turned down City's millions too. And part of the reason van Persie decided to come here was because we were offering him a wage that reflects our belief that he's one of the best players in the world. The way people talk about Rooney and van Persie is worlds apart and yet there's only one significant difference: van Persie did all these things that we find so detestable to a club besides us.

Perhaps with Sir Alex leaving these same fears are popping up. God knows he wouldn't be alone in that sense. At this point his three main priorities will simply be money, playing well and winning things. He's at a point in his career when he's preparing to sign his last huge contract and commit the rest of the peak of his career to the club and he will have to ask himself where is the best place for him to satisfy all three needs/desires. He'll have to ask himself if he thinks United can stay competitive following such a huge change. He'll have to ask himself if he (like many people his age, e.g Henry, Vieira) needs a move after so many years at the same club to get the best out of himself after an underwhelming, injury-hit last season. He'll have to ask himself whether making a bit of extra money at the end of his career comes before either of these things. These are the kinds of questions that Keane asked at the same age. Chances are Giggs was asking himself the same questions too. All we can do is hope he makes the right decision, because ultimately a Rooney-van Persie partnership on top form is the most devastating pair in the world and would surely be at the heart of further successes regardless of who's in charge.

Of course, there's every chance Rooney hasn't even considered leaving and this is just pure conjecture from a couple of tabloids. Whether there's any truth to the story is irrelevant because there's so much hysteria over what comes next at United that people don't know what to believe. This is a perfect time for the media to take advantage of the uncertainty this has caused to create an endless supply of sensational stories, and Rooney's obviously an easy target for that. He has previous, he's just after having an unusual season where he's been dropped for big games and he's one of those players that could conceivably be linked with any club in the world. It's a story that was always going to come out regardless of whether it was rooted in truth.


Great post.
 
Sorry to ignore the block paragraph wars between you caftards, but could someone kindly inform me; in regards to all this Rooney talk and wanting to leave, is it now accepted that he probably is looking/wanting to leave Manchester United? Or is it still just gossip?
 
it would hardly be a suprise if he has asked for a transfer, it was on the cards ever since Fergie left him out of the Madrid game.

Personally I think now would be a good time to cash in on him.
 
So Wayne Rooney could be persuaded to stay at United but only if he receives sufficient love and assurances of his place in the team going forward under the new manager.

Meanwhile Stiliyan Petrov retires due to his battle with Leukaemia...
 
Sorry to ignore the block paragraph wars between you caftards, but could someone kindly inform me; in regards to all this Rooney talk and wanting to leave, is it now accepted that he probably is looking/wanting to leave Manchester United? Or is it still just gossip?

Most of the media, including some of the more credible outlets, are stating it is as fact that he has asked to leave, although not a one of them has said where it's come from. In much the same way they're now all saying that he "might be persuaded to stay". Nobody has any real clue what's going on, especially considering both the British media's relentless abuse of Rooney and the fact that he has actually tried to force his way out before.
 
I do think this has been blown completely out of proportion by the media. The way I see it, Rooney was looking for a bit of reassurance over his United future and went in to see Fergie about where he stood. He may have asked to leave, but I think it would be along the lines of him verbally saying that rather than being a bit part player, if it was best for the club, he will leave. United confirming he will not be sold might be the assurance that Rooney needs. He needs to feel loved that lad. Remember, no official transfer request has been submitted.

Or maybe I'm just clutching at straws, as I don't want him to leave. :(
 
So Wayne Rooney could be persuaded to stay at United but only if he receives sufficient love and assurances of his place in the team going forward under the new manager.

Meanwhile Stiliyan Petrov retires due to his battle with Leukaemia...

The same can be said about RvP at Arsenal last season meanwhile his mate Muamba was retiring due to a cardiac arrest.

People need to stop making pathetic posts like this ffs.
 
So Wayne Rooney could be persuaded to stay at United but only if he receives sufficient love and assurances of his place in the team going forward under the new manager.

Meanwhile Stiliyan Petrov retires due to his battle with Leukaemia...

:lol:

We're only three years in, admittedly, but I'm still tipping this for non-sequitur of the decade.
 
Most of the media, including some of the more credible outlets, are stating it is as fact that he has asked to leave, although not a one of them has said where it's come from. In much the same way they're now all saying that he "might be persuaded to stay". Nobody has any real clue what's going on, especially considering both the British media's relentless abuse of Rooney and the fact that he has actually tried to force his way out before.

The same media that said the deal was done to PSG, a week later they said he was begging the club to stay, then he's handing in transfer requests, or going to Bayern Munich.

The media cant make their minds up, but the fans are drinking it all up and turning against Rooney.
 
The same media that said the deal was done to PSG, a week later they said he was begging the club to stay, then he's handing in transfer requests, or going to Bayern Munich.

The media cant make their minds up, but the fans are drinking it all up and turning against Rooney.

I can say honestly, and without reservation, that the British sporting press have damn near killed my love for the game.
 
Last time he wanted to leave didn't he cite inability of attracting the top players part of his concerns? Sorry Wayne is the league, RVP and Kagawa not enough? I have to say this is either bullshit or Rooney is chasing paper.

I'll hold off any real verdict as I know the papers like to whip up a good old Rooney story from time to time for whatever reason.

If he were to go, I can see him replacing Tevez at shitty.

I heard on the radio he cited a new challenge. If that's the case then there's no reason for him to stay in the Premier League unless he's only moving for more money.

If he's asking to leave because he wants more money, let him go and good luck to him because unless he goes to one of Bayern Munich, Barcelona or Real Madrid, he'll be taking a step down.
 
If Rooney wants to go, is being a scrotum or just being disruptive he can go.

If he wants to stay and its media bollocks he can stay.

I don't see why its all such a kerfuffle.
 
Most of the media, including some of the more credible outlets, are stating it is as fact that he has asked to leave, although not a one of them has said where it's come from. In much the same way they're now all saying that he "might be persuaded to stay". Nobody has any real clue what's going on, especially considering both the British media's relentless abuse of Rooney and the fact that he has actually tried to force his way out before.

Several of them have credited a "United spokesman", which I assume ranks higher than "a source close to a cleaning lady" on the credibility-o-meter. Not saying it's definitely true (as I obviously have no way of telling), but journos don't say "it's definitely true" (like Daniel Taylor has done) about all stories on twitter.
 
It would amuse me if it's true. His last leaving scenario cited the lack of ambition/not signing big players etc. Now we've purchased a player that's arguably better than him and he wants out!
 
There's really not a single "concrete" fact among the reports, it's all just speculation, and like others have said I don't think he actualy said "I want to leave", but it's understandable if he went to have a chat with SAF and ask him about his opinion on where he stands, etc.

That said if Moyes really does come and his relationship with Rooney is not one that can be fixed, I would understand the situation, I'll say it again though I don't think that's the case.

The media just love to eat up anything regarding Rooney or Man United, so there's no real surprise there that they'll be speculating and spewing out every possible outcome, it was not that long ago that "Rooney to PSG" was almost a done deal, or "Rooney to Bayern" was picking up steam.
 
So Wayne Rooney could be persuaded to stay at United but only if he receives sufficient love and assurances of his place in the team going forward under the new manager.

Meanwhile Stiliyan Petrov retires due to his battle with Leukaemia...

This is the weirdest post I've seen in a while.
 
Several of them have credited a "United spokesman", which I assume ranks higher than "a source close to a cleaning lady" on the credibility-o-meter. Not saying it's definitely true (as I obviously have no way of telling), but journos don't say "it's definitely true" (like Daniel Taylor has done) about all stories on twitter.

The problem is every single one of them has been caught in a lie multiple times. If they were real journalists covering things which actually mattered they would all have been sacked several times over by now, but for some reason with football you're allowed to just make shit up (or, more generously, go to press with the flimsiest of sources).
 
Sports journalism, certainly football journalism, seems to operate by the same rules as the celebrity driven stuff in Heat or Hello. Tittle tattle for its own sake is fine. People are more interested in reading something interesting than something true. I can see it in myself: I believe nothing I read at face value, yet I enjoy reading it, the same as other people lap up bullshit about Angelina, Jen and Bradd, knowing it is all vacuous.
 
The problem is every single one of them has been caught in a lie multiple times. If they were real journalists covering things which actually mattered they would all have been sacked several times over by now, but for some reason with football you're allowed to just make shit up (or, more generously, go to press with the flimsiest of sources).

Sure - and I agree - but they usually don't credit spokesmen when they make shit up. They prefer "sources closes to people/sources within" for those stories.
 
I doubt Rooney would want to leave because he feels threatened by Kagawa and van Persie. At the end of the day the other attacking options for the front four are Young, Valencia, Nani, Welbeck and Hernández and Rooney will feel he'll have no problem getting in ahead of them. We're going through the exact same bizarre scenario where Rooney echoes many fans' thoughts yet gets lambasted for it. In 09/10 we lost the title and a chance at getting into a historic third CL final in a row purely because of Rooney's injury. There's no doubt he would have wanted us to bring in another top, top player that's capable of winning games on his own to compensate for any time Rooney's not able to. We know this because all players want the team to improve and Rooney has no problems playing a supporting role - as Giggs and many others have since said.

In the 2010 summer loads of people questioned (not criticised) the club's ambition in exactly the same way. We'd sold Ronaldo and Tévez, Berbatov was the only big signing and he didn't come off, Valencia was doing a good job but couldn't replace what we lost. As a consequence our football gradually began to become more stale and people questioned what we were doing to change that and there were no top players on the horizon. People were complaining about Sir Alex's comments about "value" and asking whether that lack of value in the market would mean we were ruling ourselves out of signing the best of the best. It doesn't mean that Rooney was right to do what he did. Of course he wasn't. I just think it makes him a bit of an idiot and/or knee jerk fool who should've known to trust his manager, much like millions of fans and players across the world. It doesn't make him a cnut, just misguided.

Even last summer Sir Alex continued to voice concerns over things like Hazard going to Chelsea because they were willing to pay the agent an extra £5m+ on top or Lucas going to PSG for an extortionate amount. Sir Alex looks at the long-term development of these things but players generally aren't the "visionary" types. They just see top players seemingly rejecting more prestigious, successful, stable clubs for the "ambitious project" at a sugardaddy club year after year. It can all build up to create a picture that the sugardaddy clubs are the ones that are progressing while we're sitting on our hands watching Ronaldo and Tévez excelling at Madrid and City and the players begin to wonder what can be done to turn things around. The sugardaddy clubs are signing the top players that we want, the glamour clubs are taking the top players we already have and we're priced out of even making moves for young, developing players like Lucas. Rooney thought the way to turn it around was to make a marquee signing but fast forward a few months however and we've just reached the CL final, and Rooney is reminded that with Sir Alex in charge we'll always challenge. That alone will have shown him he was well off the mark to question the club's ambition but questioning how the club was going to achieve it seems entirely reasonable. Sir Alex seems to have agreed that something needed to change. Fast forward another 12 months and the club's just bought a rival player for the first time in decades and that rival player happens to be the best player in the league. Not only that but Sir Alex is talking about significant changes in our transfer strategy:



Maybe Sir Alex shared Rooney's thoughts all along that another top player was needed in there alongside him but he took a more patient, long-term view of things or maybe the van Persie opportunity just conveniently popped up and changed Sir Alex's perspective but either way it goes some way to justifying Rooney's (short-sighted) feelings at the time. If things had continued to go the same way with the sugardaddy clubs signing up every top player going then City would have signed van Persie and they'd have won back-to-back titles and Rooney's fears would come true. There's nothing wrong with asking the question about where you want to be in your career in a few years' time and asking whether you can achieve those goals. That's how we got the new crowd favourite van Persie. Yes his worries were more justified but why should that alone be the difference between being the club's new favourite player and being the club's most maligned player? Rooney turned down City's millions too. And part of the reason van Persie decided to come here was because we were offering him a wage that reflects our belief that he's one of the best players in the world. The way people talk about Rooney and van Persie is worlds apart and yet there's only one significant difference: van Persie did all these things that we find so detestable to a club besides us.

Perhaps with Sir Alex leaving these same fears are popping up. God knows he wouldn't be alone in that sense. At this point his three main priorities will simply be money, playing well and winning things. He's at a point in his career when he's preparing to sign his last huge contract and commit the rest of the peak of his career to the club and he will have to ask himself where is the best place for him to satisfy all three needs/desires. He'll have to ask himself if he thinks United can stay competitive following such a huge change. He'll have to ask himself if he (like many people his age, e.g Henry, Vieira) needs a move after so many years at the same club to get the best out of himself after an underwhelming, injury-hit last season. He'll have to ask himself whether making a bit of extra money at the end of his career comes before either of these things. These are the kinds of questions that Keane asked at the same age. Chances are Giggs was asking himself the same questions too. All we can do is hope he makes the right decision, because ultimately a Rooney-van Persie partnership on top form is the most devastating pair in the world and would surely be at the heart of further successes regardless of who's in charge.

Of course, there's every chance Rooney hasn't even considered leaving and this is just pure conjecture from a couple of tabloids. Whether there's any truth to the story is irrelevant because there's so much hysteria over what comes next at United that people don't know what to believe. This is a perfect time for the media to take advantage of the uncertainty this has caused to create an endless supply of sensational stories, and Rooney's obviously an easy target for that. He has previous, he's just after having an unusual season where he's been dropped for big games and he's one of those players that could conceivably be linked with any club in the world. It's a story that was always going to come out regardless of whether it was rooted in truth.

Excellent.
 
Whether or not it's true, we dont want to give other clubs an upper hand in negotiations if an approach is ever made. If we're selling him, I doubt it would be cheap. Accepting the transfer request might lower his transfer fee but we'll see what comes of this story.
 
Most of the media, including some of the more credible outlets, are stating it is as fact that he has asked to leave, although not a one of them has said where it's come from. In much the same way they're now all saying that he "might be persuaded to stay". Nobody has any real clue what's going on, especially considering both the British media's relentless abuse of Rooney and the fact that he has actually tried to force his way out before.

Thanks, so typical sensationalism then?
 
Sports journalism, certainly football journalism, seems to operate by the same rules as the celebrity driven stuff in Heat or Hello. Tittle tattle for its own sake is fine. People are more interested in reading something interesting than something true. I can see it in myself: I believe nothing I read at face value, yet I enjoy reading it, the same as other people lap up bullshit about Angelina, Jen and Bradd, knowing it is all vacuous.

it's ok as long as you don't pay much attention to it, or give it much credibility on your end, since you know it's mostly bullcrap.

It's sad to see so many others simply "eat this shit up" though, I mean if every one of these types of rumours were to be true none of us would be able to recognize a single team as the players all would've moved on by now.
 
I don't read Heat or that shite, and I don't read the sports pages these days either, and I'm not on twitter.

However, I do come on here and read you gimps gibbering about bullshit rumours. I have no idea why.

I'm the same. It's like they do all the legwork and I can read all the shite in one convenient place. :lol:
 
I don't read Heat or that shite, and I don't read the sports pages these days either, and I'm not on twitter.

However, I do come on here and read you gimps gibbering about bullshit rumours. I have no idea why.

Exactly. You are right, it is essentially the same thing. The same urge.

I remember having this conversation with my missus years ago. I couldnt understand Heat, she couldnt understand why I read the Sports pages (or even watch football at all). And we realised they were essentially the same. Stuff you know is utterly meaningless but you are interested in it anyway.
 
Several of them have credited a "United spokesman", which I assume ranks higher than "a source close to a cleaning lady" on the credibility-o-meter.
The spokesman is only mentioned in the "Rooney is not for sale" quote, not that an official spokesman has confirmed/given them the story.

We have no idea where the stories' come from, laughable that everyone on here is assuming it's from Rooney's camp (just like they did in 2010 despite no evidence), and claiming he's trying to disrupt/overshadow the Fergie retirement news :lol:


Why can't fans just act with a bit of class and dignity, wish him the best as he moves on and I'm sure he'll do the same for the club. A player wants to leave, he didn't murder a fecking child.
 
The spokesman is only mentioned in the "Rooney is not for sale" quote, not that an official spokesman has confirmed/given them the story.

We have no idea where the stories' come from, laughable that everyone on here is assuming it's from Rooney's camp (just like they did in 2010 despite no evidence),

It did come from Rooney's camp in 2010. He was interviewed stating his reasons for wanting to leave. It was on the telly. I saw his mouth move and everything.
 
Exactly. Of course, he's a good player and his leaving would leave a deficit of some kind, but this is the same clown who had the gall to question our ambition back in 2010, and then seemingly couldn't take being replaced as our best player (not to mention the aforementioned fitness issues.)

What pisses me off is when someone questions the club's ambition to win things, and then go and get pissed before a training session or can't even be arsed to keep themselves in proper shape.

If Rooney had the dedication to go with this ambition he apparently craves, he'd be a much, much better player than he currently is. He's still very good, but every single fecking year there's issues with fitness, indiscipline, lifestyle which affect his ability to perform on the pitch. He's a bit of a moron.

I got bored with it when he kicked up a fuss the first time. He'd be a difficult player to replace in terms of ability, but there's plenty out there and already at the club who are more dedicated to themselves and the team as a professional.

If he goes I'd not really be that gutted. As it is I do kind of worry what younger players take from having him as a point of influence. Drink, smoke, be greedy, don't learn from mistakes, don't worry about keeping yourself fit when you're not playing...great example.
 
The last time these rumours came out the club AND Rooney came out to deny them right? Rooney so far as been quiet, is that telling?
 
Exactly. You are right, it is essentially the same thing. The same urge.

I remember having this conversation with my missus years ago. I couldnt understand Heat, she couldnt understand why I read the Sports pages (or even watch football at all). And we realised they were essentially the same. Stuff you know is utterly meaningless but you are interested in it anyway.

Maybe this is just special pleading, but I do think there's a difference between keeping up with the latest in football, and the celebrity stuff.

Even in the global/media age, a football club still means something, it's the focus of regional identity and it stands for values. For all that PR people try to imbue Brad Pitt or whoever with 'brand values' etc., it's just completely artificial. Really it's just gossip, it has no larger meaning.

Football admittedly is going that way... you read posts from some of the younger gimps on here, where it's like, "The way CR7 looked at Ramos last night after the goal, you could just tell he was thinking his Madrid dream is rotten now, and then on his Facebook page he had a pic wearing a red tiara and I might be wrong but that just shows United's on his mind..." But we're not quite there yet.
 
It did come from Rooney's camp in 2010. He was interviewed stating his reasons for wanting to leave. It was on the telly. I saw his mouth move and everything.
What?

The papers ran with a story that Rooney/Fergie had a bust up and Rooney was on his way out.
Ferguson then dedicated his CL press conference to telling the story of how Rooney had put in a transfer request.
Rooney's agent then released that statement in reaction to Fergie making it public/confirmed.

Rooney took the blame for leaking it to the press originally, as far as I'm aware there was no evidence that was the case..
 
The spokesman is only mentioned in the "Rooney is not for sale" quote, not that an official spokesman has confirmed/given them the story.

True, but I figured they were connected. Seems quite odd for the media to come up with the talk on their own just because they're told he's not for sale. All media have also used the "two weeks", and several journos ran the story at the same time last night so it doesn't seem like they're just copying each other. Again, reports about the talk Rooney supposedly had two weeks ago also came at the same time as the "he is not for sale" part.

Bottom line: The two things seem connected, which leads me to believe that either all of it comes from a United spokesman or none of it does.
 
Deleted "Manchester United player" from his twitter. Pissed off this is overshadowed Fergie today.
 
Deleted "Manchester United player" from his twitter. Pissed off this is overshadowed Fergie today.

This has already been covered. He did that a long time ago. Cleverley also just has "nike athlete" in his bio.
 
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