Just reporting what they're saying. They're about as reliable as all the other bollocks going round at the moment.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Just reporting what they're saying. They're about as reliable as all the other bollocks going round at the moment.
If he wants to leave then he should be allowed to as long as it's not to City, Chelsea etc. Realistically, I can only see him going to PSG but I dont mind to be honest. Replace him with a younger partner for RVP (Lewandowski would be my choice) and move on.
Sell him.
This might be reaching, but how do we kow Rooney wasn't injured or performed poorly in training? Though messi had an injury, didn't Barcelona leave Messi out when they needed him against Munich? Wasn't it worth the risk?
Except we are not playing 4-4-2 and Lewandowski is not as good a CAM as he is a striker.
In that case get an actual midfielder instead of playing Rooney there. A few years ago, Rooney leaving was a hard thought to fathom, but he is no longer irreplaceable in my opinion.
Fergie came out and said Rooney was left out of the starting XI because of tactics. If Rooney is really our best player, we would had accommodated our tactics for him or played him instead of RVP. Can you imagine Barca not playing Messi because of tactics? We played a less than fully fit Rooney against Bayern in 2010 because he was our most important player and the heartbeat of our team back then, he clearly is neither of those now.
Wayne Rooney: Is one of only 3 PL players (along with Mata & Walcott) with double figures for both goals (12) & assists (10) this season.
Sell him!
Sell him!
I like him and he's a fantastic player but I am tired of all this bullshite transfer speculation about him. Hope he comes out and rubbishes them and if he wants to leave we sell ASAP
You're missing the point, or responding to no-ones. I doubt any poster here really wants to sell Wayne because of this seasons stats. They are saying if he has requested a transfer, then we should accept it this time round.
You're trying to make it out like the reaction here is based over his quality rather than him apparently requesting a transfer.
he's probably going to stay and sign a new contract and then egg and face will firmly be in alignment for a lot of you.
You seem to think being utterly reliant on one player is a good thing. In 2010 it caused us huge problems - we had to play him injured, as you say, and it took him almost half a year to eventually shake off the resultant injury and fitness problems. It also made the team incredibly vulnerable, and Fergie talked about it being a big problem that he had to solve that summer. Messi is a telling example to give - just look how many problems being so reliant on him has caused Barca at the latter end of this season!
But just because Fergie has solved that problem of being reliant on Rooney doesn't mean that he's not still one of our best, most important players. We are able to omit him in circumstances where we're using a specific tactical approach - like against Real, when we packed the pitch with hard working players like Welbeck to limit their time on the ball. And it's good that we can do that. But it doesn't mean Rooney isn't our best/most important player.
EDIT: The point is that people have this attitude that if someone isn't our best player, we should offload them. It's the same attitude that fails to understand that this is a squad game, and only ever wants us to buy players who are instant first-teamers. If Rooney is better than RVP, that doesn't mean we don't still want to have RVP. Likewise if RVP is scoring more goals, than doesn't mean we no longer need Rooney and should get rid. One of the scariest things about us at the moment for the opponent is the prospect of facing both of those two at the same time.
If this is true, I'd have him leaving to be honest. As good as he is, I reckon his departure could benefit the team in some way or another.
I don't think he really deserves to be a United player. He'll need replacing but I'd hardly be crying myself to sleep over someone who's so dedicated, they turn up for the new season blatantly overweight...or miss games because they decided to go out and get pissed a couple of nights before.
Two and a half years ago I was genuinely shocked, now, I don't particularly care. If he goes he goes, he's not as irreplaceable as he once was and the club will be fine without him.
Now Ben Smith says he could stay. They just love covering all their bases, don't they. Stay or leave, they get to say "I told you so!"
Not sure who it was on here that said this season reminded them of Ruuds last season with us. It certainly feels that way in a lot of ways.
Id agree with you as well on the above point.
How often does a team's best/most important player get left off due to tactics? We played him out on the wing in the first leg for starters and he wasn't very good. Playing out of position certainly doesnt help but from what I understand, that's not something you do with your best player. I'm sure if Wayne's performances in training and on the pitch warranted him being started then he would.
He is certainly an important part of this team but his involvement this season invariably makes the notion of him being the best/most important player questionable.
Could happen, particularly if Moyes gives him assurances and massages his ego. Is it worth it though? This could easily repeat itself in a year or two.
It's like dealing with a kid. He keeps dicking us about and we keep bowing down to him, so he'll do it again. Best case scenario, he secures a nice big move somewhere or a pay rise. Worst case scenario, he says sorry and continues like nothing happened.
That being the keyword.
If we wants out, let him go. We'll get good money for him and replace him with someone who wants to play with our club. Kagawa can replace him and we still have RVP, Hernandez and Welbeck as our strikers. We might even buy another with some of the monsy from the sale of Rooney. We might use some of the money to buy a central midfielder.
Rooney is a top class player, but if he wants to go he's not going to be at his best when he's in the team. Be grateful for all the great moments, but after his attempts to go two years ago, I had lost any love I had for him. Since that he's just been another player. I won't be all that disappointed if he goes now.
Rooney is a top class player, but if he wants to go he's not going to be at his best when he's in the team. Be grateful for all the great moments, but after his attempts to go two years ago, I had lost any love I had for him. Since that he's just been another player. I won't be all that disappointed if he goes now.
When he did this three years ago I was incensed, now, I'm more "meh". People can throw out all the stats they want and talk about him playing out of position but quite frankly some of his performances this season(and a few last) have been utter garbage and many of those were in games where he played up front. I don't know if it's fitness but he strolls around the pitch half of the time like he hasn't got a care in the world. Lazily controlling the ball, lazily passing the ball, the fire's gone, he even seems content to be subbed nowadays. He'll never be sold to an English club so he should get that out of his head immediately, if that's what he's thinking.
But really if we sell him, get a huge fee and invest in someone physically capable of playing in that number 10 role I'd be okay with that.
Appreciate what he's done for the club but if some of his performances lately are a result of him being unhappy here, there's not much point keeping him.
And there were plenty of occasions when Tevez, Ronaldo and Berbatov were here and Wayne would play out of position, he didn't complain then.
But really if we sell him, get a huge fee and invest in someone physically capable of playing in that number 10 role I'd be okay with that.
Appreciate what he's done for the club but if some of his performances lately are a result of him being unhappy here, there's not much point keeping him.
And there were plenty of occasions when Tevez, Ronaldo and Berbatov were here and Wayne would play out of position, he didn't complain then.
No, I don't think being over reliant on a player is a good thing at all. I'm just saying that I think Rooney is no longer our best or most important player in the team, certainly not as dmode says 'our best player by far'. Also, I said this at the start of the season and I still think the same, RVP is a better #9 and Kagawa is a better #10. Whether Rooney is the best overall player in the team you can decide yourself, but all things considered, I wouldn't mind us cashing in on him for an actual CM and let Kagawa and RVP play in their respective positions. By doing so, I actually think we will strengthen our starting XI, instead of trying to shoehorn Rooney into the team in positions he's not entirely comfortable in, just for the sake of playing one of our best players.
That settles everything.
It is his timing that is pissing most people off, it stinks and he could've avoided it.
Once he goes he will just be another player at another club, and I won't give a toss what he does.
We have lost better players than him before and will again.
If Rooney leaves and Ronaldo returns then Ill be one happy bunny
Can't believe some people are still claiming the story is rubbish despite it being on pretty much every major sports site / newspaper?
Well yes, obviously it's the keyword here, which is why everyone is saying IF it's true. I don't see the point in you making posts, responding as if there are a ton of people questioning his ability, when very very clearly, all of this reaction is based on the news about him potentially wanting a transfer. You posting random stats about his achievements as if people are saying sell him based on this season alone, is going to have very little impact on anything.
That doesn't mean it's not rubbish to be fair, though its scandalous how some are ruling it out given the way this season has panned out. Don't take it as true, but always be open to the idea that it might be folks. If you can't manage that, you need help.
Yep, pretty much. It could easily be rubbish, or it might not be, that's why we are all speculating, which is what we all do about near enough everything on here anyway.
Lets face it, if we all saw this story http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22460580 but instead of Rooney asking to leave United it said Torres asks to leave Chelsea, we wouldn't be debating if it was true or not. It's being reported as fact rather than the "allegedly", "may have" stuff that the media often use to cover their arses so we should just accept it.
I doubt Rooney would want to leave because he feels threatened by Kagawa and van Persie. At the end of the day the other attacking options for the front four are Young, Valencia, Nani, Welbeck and Hernández and Rooney will feel he'll have no problem getting in ahead of them. We're going through the exact same bizarre scenario where Rooney echoes many fans' thoughts yet gets lambasted for it. In 09/10 we lost the title and a chance at getting into a historic third CL final in a row purely because of Rooney's injury. There's no doubt he would have wanted us to bring in another top, top player that's capable of winning games on his own to compensate for any time Rooney's not able to. We know this because all players want the team to improve and Rooney has no problems playing a supporting role - as Giggs and many others have since said.
In the 2010 summer loads of people questioned (not criticised) the club's ambition in exactly the same way. We'd sold Ronaldo and Tévez, Berbatov was the only big signing and he didn't come off, Valencia was doing a good job but couldn't replace what we lost. As a consequence our football gradually began to become more stale and people questioned what we were doing to change that and there were no top players on the horizon. People were complaining about Sir Alex's comments about "value" and asking whether that lack of value in the market would mean we were ruling ourselves out of signing the best of the best. It doesn't mean that Rooney was right to do what he did. Of course he wasn't. I just think it makes him a bit of an idiot and/or knee jerk fool who should've known to trust his manager, much like millions of fans and players across the world. It doesn't make him a cnut, just misguided.
Even last summer Sir Alex continued to voice concerns over things like Hazard going to Chelsea because they were willing to pay the agent an extra £5m+ on top or Lucas going to PSG for an extortionate amount. Sir Alex looks at the long-term development of these things but players generally aren't the "visionary" types. They just see top players seemingly rejecting more prestigious, successful, stable clubs for the "ambitious project" at a sugardaddy club year after year. It can all build up to create a picture that the sugardaddy clubs are the ones that are progressing while we're sitting on our hands watching Ronaldo and Tévez excelling at Madrid and City and the players begin to wonder what can be done to turn things around. The sugardaddy clubs are signing the top players that we want, the glamour clubs are taking the top players we already have and we're priced out of even making moves for young, developing players like Lucas. Rooney thought the way to turn it around was to make a marquee signing but fast forward a few months however and we've just reached the CL final, and Rooney is reminded that with Sir Alex in charge we'll always challenge. That alone will have shown him he was well off the mark to question the club's ambition but questioning how the club was going to achieve it seems entirely reasonable. Sir Alex seems to have agreed that something needed to change. Fast forward another 12 months and the club's just bought a rival player for the first time in decades and that rival player happens to be the best player in the league. Not only that but Sir Alex is talking about significant changes in our transfer strategy:
Maybe Sir Alex shared Rooney's thoughts all along that another top player was needed in there alongside him but he took a more patient, long-term view of things or maybe the van Persie opportunity just conveniently popped up and changed Sir Alex's perspective but either way it goes some way to justifying Rooney's (short-sighted) feelings at the time. If things had continued to go the same way with the sugardaddy clubs signing up every top player going then City would have signed van Persie and they'd have won back-to-back titles and Rooney's fears would come true. There's nothing wrong with asking the question about where you want to be in your career in a few years' time and asking whether you can achieve those goals. That's how we got the new crowd favourite van Persie. Yes his worries were more justified but why should that alone be the difference between being the club's new favourite player and being the club's most maligned player? Rooney turned down City's millions too. And part of the reason van Persie decided to come here was because we were offering him a wage that reflects our belief that he's one of the best players in the world. The way people talk about Rooney and van Persie is worlds apart and yet there's only one significant difference: van Persie did all these things that we find so detestable to a club besides us.
Perhaps with Sir Alex leaving these same fears are popping up. God knows he wouldn't be alone in that sense. At this point his three main priorities will simply be money, playing well and winning things. He's at a point in his career when he's preparing to sign his last huge contract and commit the rest of the peak of his career to the club and he will have to ask himself where is the best place for him to satisfy all three needs/desires. He'll have to ask himself if he thinks United can stay competitive following such a huge change. He'll have to ask himself if he (like many people his age, e.g Henry, Vieira) needs a move after so many years at the same club to get the best out of himself after an underwhelming, injury-hit last season. He'll have to ask himself whether making a bit of extra money at the end of his career comes before either of these things. These are the kinds of questions that Keane asked at the same age. Chances are Giggs was asking himself the same questions too. All we can do is hope he makes the right decision, because ultimately a Rooney-van Persie partnership on top form is the most devastating pair in the world and would surely be at the heart of further successes regardless of who's in charge.
Of course, there's every chance Rooney hasn't even considered leaving and this is just pure conjecture from a couple of tabloids. Whether there's any truth to the story is irrelevant because there's so much hysteria over what comes next at United that people don't know what to believe. This is a perfect time for the media to take advantage of the uncertainty this has caused to create an endless supply of sensational stories, and Rooney's obviously an easy target for that. He has previous, he's just after having an unusual season where he's been dropped for big games and he's one of those players that could conceivably be linked with any club in the world. It's a story that was always going to come out regardless of whether it was rooted in truth.
In the 2010 summer loads of people questioned (not criticised) the club's ambition in exactly the same way. We'd sold Ronaldo and Tévez, Berbatov was the only big signing and he didn't come off, Valencia was doing a good job but couldn't replace what we lost. As a consequence our football gradually began to become more stale and people questioned what we were doing to change that and there were no top players on the horizon. People were complaining about Sir Alex's comments about "value" and asking whether that lack of value in the market would mean we were ruling ourselves out of signing the best of the best. It doesn't mean that Rooney was right to do what he did. Of course he wasn't. I just think it makes him a bit of an idiot and/or knee jerk fool who should've known to trust his manager, much like millions of fans and players across the world. It doesn't make him a cnut, just misguided.
Even last summer Sir Alex continued to voice concerns over things like Hazard going to Chelsea because they were willing to pay the agent an extra £5m+ on top or Lucas going to PSG for an extortionate amount. Sir Alex looks at the long-term development of these things but players generally aren't the "visionary" types. They just see top players seemingly rejecting more prestigious, successful, stable clubs for the "ambitious project" at a sugardaddy club year after year. It can all build up to create a picture that the sugardaddy clubs are the ones that are progressing while we're sitting on our hands watching Ronaldo and Tévez excelling at Madrid and City and the players begin to wonder what can be done to turn things around. The sugardaddy clubs are signing the top players that we want, the glamour clubs are taking the top players we already have and we're priced out of even making moves for young, developing players like Lucas. Rooney thought the way to turn it around was to make a marquee signing but fast forward a few months however and we've just reached the CL final, and Rooney is reminded that with Sir Alex in charge we'll always challenge. That alone will have shown him he was well off the mark to question the club's ambition but questioning how the club was going to achieve it seems entirely reasonable. Sir Alex seems to have agreed that something needed to change. Fast forward another 12 months and the club's just bought a rival player for the first time in decades and that rival player happens to be the best player in the league. Not only that but Sir Alex is talking about significant changes in our transfer strategy:
Maybe Sir Alex shared Rooney's thoughts all along that another top player was needed in there alongside him but he took a more patient, long-term view of things or maybe the van Persie opportunity just conveniently popped up and changed Sir Alex's perspective but either way it goes some way to justifying Rooney's (short-sighted) feelings at the time. If things had continued to go the same way with the sugardaddy clubs signing up every top player going then City would have signed van Persie and they'd have won back-to-back titles and Rooney's fears would come true. There's nothing wrong with asking the question about where you want to be in your career in a few years' time and asking whether you can achieve those goals. That's how we got the new crowd favourite van Persie. Yes his worries were more justified but why should that alone be the difference between being the club's new favourite player and being the club's most maligned player? Rooney turned down City's millions too. And part of the reason van Persie decided to come here was because we were offering him a wage that reflects our belief that he's one of the best players in the world. The way people talk about Rooney and van Persie is worlds apart and yet there's only one significant difference: van Persie did all these things that we find so detestable to a club besides us.
Perhaps with Sir Alex leaving these same fears are popping up. God knows he wouldn't be alone in that sense. At this point his three main priorities will simply be money, playing well and winning things. He's at a point in his career when he's preparing to sign his last huge contract and commit the rest of the peak of his career to the club and he will have to ask himself where is the best place for him to satisfy all three needs/desires. He'll have to ask himself if he thinks United can stay competitive following such a huge change. He'll have to ask himself if he (like many people his age, e.g Henry, Vieira) needs a move after so many years at the same club to get the best out of himself after an underwhelming, injury-hit last season. He'll have to ask himself whether making a bit of extra money at the end of his career comes before either of these things. These are the kinds of questions that Keane asked at the same age. Chances are Giggs was asking himself the same questions too. All we can do is hope he makes the right decision, because ultimately a Rooney-van Persie partnership on top form is the most devastating pair in the world and would surely be at the heart of further successes regardless of who's in charge.
Of course, there's every chance Rooney hasn't even considered leaving and this is just pure conjecture from a couple of tabloids. Whether there's any truth to the story is irrelevant because there's so much hysteria over what comes next at United that people don't know what to believe. This is a perfect time for the media to take advantage of the uncertainty this has caused to create an endless supply of sensational stories, and Rooney's obviously an easy target for that. He has previous, he's just after having an unusual season where he's been dropped for big games and he's one of those players that could conceivably be linked with any club in the world. It's a story that was always going to come out regardless of whether it was rooted in truth.
The speculation is actually getting ridiculous. I've just seen on SSN that the club might be planning a mass clear-out starting with Rooney, Nani and Anderson. Can they make their minds up ffs.
A month ago a deal was done with PSG.
Three weeks ago Rooney has begged the club to keep him.
Apparently two weeks ago he had a meeting with SAF telling him he wants to leave.
A couple of days ago he was off to Bayern Munich.
It's getting pathetic and it's turning the fans against him when it's probably all bullshit.
Love this bit 
'It's understood that Rooney didn't hand in a formal transfer request but did ask verbally to leave'
So is that basically saying we don't have a fecking clue what happened but we know they had a chat?! Bastard journalists.
'It's understood that Rooney didn't hand in a formal transfer request but did ask verbally to leave' So is that basically saying we don't have a fecking clue what happened but we know they had a chat?! Bastard journalists.
i get where people are coming from but if i was rooney i wouldn't be happy to play a bit part role for us. being left out of the madrid game would have really hurt, as would being shoehorned into midfield to get games. he's 27, entering his real peak years and i think he just wants to be playing football in a position where he can have a real impact on games and play the way he knows he's capable of playing. granted some of his performances have been a little off and maybe the best way of forcing himself back into the reckoning would have been to put in a few stellar performances and really show what he can bring to the side but i can understand why his performance level would drop in the circumstances.
If he did ask to leave, again, then he needs to go. I don't even know if him and Moyes have any sort of relationship anymore, do they?
Last time he wanted to leave didn't he cite inability of attracting the top players part of his concerns? Sorry Wayne is the league, RVP and Kagawa not enough? I have to say this is either bullshit or Rooney is chasing paper.
I'll hold off any real verdict as I know the papers like to whip up a good old Rooney story from time to time for whatever reason.
If he were to go, I can see him replacing Tevez at shitty.
I'll hold off any real verdict as I know the papers like to whip up a good old Rooney story from time to time for whatever reason.
If he were to go, I can see him replacing Tevez at shitty.
I'll be honest here. I'd be gutted if he left!
I don't really blame him for wanting to leave. It's just there is a way of exiting with a bit of class. The first time he asked to leave he did it just at the start of the season and went on to question our ambition. This time it appears as if his camp has leaked the news and is trying to use the SAF announcement as a nice decoy. It's not too hard to keep your mouth shut until the season's up and then go public.
Exactly. Of course, he's a good player and his leaving would leave a deficit of some kind, but this is the same clown who had the gall to question our ambition back in 2010, and then seemingly couldn't take being replaced as our best player (not to mention the aforementioned fitness issues.)
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