Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Assuming this is all true, then the big problem is that last time he kicked off, he was displaying the kind of performances that required us to sit up and listen. Right now, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

When he wanted to go last time, I was very concerned. This time around, I couldn't care less.

He wasn't, he was in the worst form of his life last time.
 
What irks me about the common opinion of Rooney is that he is a sulker, or that type of character. This is a player that has sacrificed himself for this club in many ways. He plays wherever we ask him to, and he generally does a good job.

Its probably the main reason why is unhappy, if this is the case, and I can't really blame him for that. He asked to leave previously because he felt the squad needed strengthening - something that almost every fan on here agreed with at the time. If Roy Keane had said that he would have been applauded for having the bollocks to do so.

Oh yay, we have a player who's willing to play football. Give him another big check!! News flash: He's not the only player at United who's played out of position occasionally.

I really doubt Keane would've been applauded if he had handed in a fecking transfer request - what are you on? Do you even remember why Keane left the club? Yeah, we probably needed a stronger team back when Rooney handed in the first transfer request (and still do in some areas), but that doesn't really excuse Rooney for dragging the club through the mud like he did. He could've kept it in house, but he wanted to make it public so he could get a new contract.
 
£30M to anyone in Europe.

I'd want us to get 45million. There are sugar daddies out there that would be twitching.

Rooney would be a coup for anyone. He's still scored important goals for us. We don't want to sell Rooney, then Nani etc. Completley the wrong message.

It's important to know why he wants to leave (if he does).
 
Fair enough - please provide evidence of occasions apart from that one time where he has done this. Do we believe everything that we read in the newspapers?

Newspapers do what they do to sell, yeah agreed.

But are you so blinded that Rooney's performances ON THE PITCH are not enough to show his deterioration?

Plus he is the highest paid player and not living up to that?

For goodness sake, whatever is the reason for his poor form, you want United to continue to back him for no return????
 
He will only have a year left on his contract, won't he? Anything above £30m is wishful thinking, especially as he's said he wants to go.

He'll only be a year younger than RvP was, and basically in the same situation, and RvP went for £24m, right after winning the PotY, where as Rooney is regarded as having a pretty average season.
 
Let him go, but only abroad. I've lost my patience with him, he has been in a strop all season anyway, and he's tried to bail out twice now.

Now we have an idea why he couldn't be arsed against Chelsea. Get rid, can't be bothered with his tantrums anymore.
 
He will only have a year left on his contract, won't he? Anything above £30m is wishful thinking, especially as he's said he wants to go.

He'll only be a year younger than RvP was, and basically in the same situation, and RvP went for £24m, right after winning the PotY, where as Rooney is regarded as having a pretty average season.

He has two years left now, which is why it makes sense (financially, at least) to sell him this summer if he wants away.
 
Losing Fergie sort of puts losing anyone else into perspective a little bit.

Let him go, preferably to PSG.
 
Pogue posted something about our wages a week ago, going up by 15%. That's quite a lot so I would not be against Rooney leaving to get the wages down. Can't pay what the likes of city and PSG does.
 
I still don't think Rooney's going anywhere this summer, but I guess I'd have to reluctantly admit that we might want to prepare for him going some time soon.

The only way I'd feel comfortable with him going is if we signed Wilshere. We've sort of covered Rooney's actual contributions, with Kagawa at number 10 and RVP bringing the goals. But we still usually look shite when he's not playing because we have no other players with that incredible drive, who can single-handedly drag the team over the line. Very few players that I can think of in the world have that as much as Rooney does, and Wilshere is one of them.
 
I still don't think Rooney's going anywhere this summer, but I guess I'd have to reluctantly admit that we might want to prepare for him going some time soon.

The only way I'd feel comfortable with him going is if we signed Wilshere. We've sort of covered Rooney's actual contributions, with Kagawa at number 10 and RVP bringing the goals. But we still usually look shite when he's not playing because we have no other players with that incredible drive, who can single-handedly drag the team over the line. Very few players that I can think of in the world have that as much as Rooney does, and Wilshere is one of them.

britonan stahp!
 
Pogue posted something about our wages a week ago, going up by 15%. That's quite a lot so I would not be against Rooney leaving to get the wages down. Can't pay what the likes of city and PSG does.

You seem to talk like you are contributing to his wages. Our finances are still fine and we are raking in profits quarter after quarter. His wages arent the problem. His mindset is. If he feels he needs a change, he has to go. Otherwise we will have no problem keeping him.
 
I still don't think Rooney's going anywhere this summer, but I guess I'd have to reluctantly admit that we might want to prepare for him going some time soon.

The only way I'd feel comfortable with him going is if we signed Wilshere. We've sort of covered Rooney's actual contributions, with Kagawa at number 10 and RVP bringing the goals. But we still usually look shite when he's not playing because we have no other players with that incredible drive, who can single-handedly drag the team over the line. Very few players that I can think of in the world have that as much as Rooney does, and Wilshere is one of them.

Wilshere won't be coming any time soon, so I guess you'll be uncomfortable when Rooney goes?
 
sell him to FC Anzhi.....

I think that Rooney would struggle to culturally adapt to life in Scotland, let alone in Russia. I think that his preference would be to stay in England. Perhaps he will become Torres MK2 at Chelsea!
 
Obviously Kagawa will be first choice in the hole behind van Persie but we still need a backup CAM if Kagawa gets injured like he did this season.

Hypothetically Van Persie drops back to play off the front man and Welbeck or Hernandez play ahead of him, as was the case this season a few times and as he did for a lot of the first two thirds of his Arsenal career.
 
Next in the line of Englishmen at Madrid? I'd say that's most likely.

He said after his last request that he was never going to move to another club in England.
 
But you don't go public with it, do you? Rooney's performances haven't up to his usual standards. Sacrifice? Albeit not many players would be willing to play in different positions, Wayne's paying the price for his versatility. Otherwise we wouldn't ask him to play out on the wing if we didn't think he could a good enough job out there. I've always found the use of sacrifice in football funny because it's very loose in my opinion. I doubt Rooney volunteered himself to play out on the wing when Ronaldo became our main man. Credit to the lad, he got on with the job and did fairly well.

It seems to me, he wants a new challenge and perhaps some more recognition. He wants to be the main man. I can't see how he didn't get what was coming to him though. We brought quality in. Now he supposedly wants to leave. I think it's also clear something is a bit off with Wayne. His sluggishness, not really partaking in the title celebrations, and not really showing as much fire as he used to. I wouldn't say he's a sulker but he definitely doesn't seem at ease with his current situation.
I agree. He doesn't seem the happiest player in the world, but I have sympathy for him. Not many players get played in multiple positions, but very, very few superstars do.

Its a two way street of course. He has to make himself undroppable. Ideally the new manager will decide on a position for him and let him play there to develop some consistency in his game. I feel the exact same way about Welbeck too.
 
If Higuan leaves Real they'll definitely be in for him, and I don't think the cultural issues would stop him going there.
 
Hypothetically Van Persie drops back to play off the front man and Welbeck or Hernandez play ahead of him, as was the case this season a few times and as he did for a lot of the first two thirds of his Arsenal career.

Unless we have injury problems and we short of people then I wouldnt want RVP to play as an attacking mid. He is a world class striker and I would rather he just play up top. I would rather Welbeck play as an AM since he works well with others and can also mark someone in CM if he plays there.
 
I'd offer him in swap with Everton for Fellaini :p
 
Newspapers do what they do to sell, yeah agreed.

But are you so blinded that Rooney's performances ON THE PITCH are not enough to show his deterioration?

Plus he is the highest paid player and not living up to that?

For goodness sake, whatever is the reason for his poor form, you want United to continue to back him for no return????
No - I want United to play him in the same position, ideally in behind RVP.

BTW - I don't think Rooney has had that bad a season. 12 league goals is so-so, but he has more assists than Hazard, Nasri, Silva. In fact his PL goals and assists are identical to Juan Mata.

Not that shabby for a player who by his own standards has had an average season.
 
I'm not so sure Wazza has behaved as badly as people think. He's also been a phenomenal player for us, and will do well wherever he goes... If he leaves.

We're talking about our 4th top scorer of all time here. And if he wants to leave I strongly suspect it's because he feels he needs a change, because his position is under threat, and maybe because of previous bad blood with Moyes. Not sure he should be lambasted for any of those things. He has better reasons than some who have gone in the past, like RVN for example who threw a hissy fit about being dropped for a game or two.

http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/Legends.aspx?sortOrder=goals

I think there is room for both sides to be honest. He has been a phenomenal player for us, there is no questioning that, but I still find it questionable. His position is under threat, yet that's what he held the club ransom for just over two years ago. We matched the ambition he demanded, and now he wants to leave because of it? I'd also question the bad blood with Moyes part, didn't he request the transfer before he knew Fergie was retiring?

To be fair, after coming back from what he did in 2010, I expected him to last longer than a couple seasons before asking to be transferred again. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 
I think that Rooney would struggle to culturally adapt to life in Scotland, let alone in Russia. I think that his preference would be to stay in England. Perhaps he will become Torres MK2 at Chelsea!
I agree, and I think next season he would be that RVP player for whoever got him - the difference between winning and losing the title.
 
If Higuan leaves Real they'll definitely be in for him, and I don't think the cultural issues would stop him going there.

Do we really need to replace Rooney with a striker? RVP, Hernandez and Welbeck seems good enough for me (if we're using the 4-5-1 system)
 
I think there is room for both sides to be honest. He has been a phenomenal player for us, there is no questioning that, buth is behavior has been questionable. His position is under threat, yet that's what he held the club ransom for just over two years ago. We matched the ambition he demanded, and now he wants to leave because of it? I'd also question the bad blood with Moyes part, didn't he request the transfer before he knew Fergie was retiring?

To be fair, after coming back from what he did in 2010, I expected him to last longer than a couple seasons before asking to be transferred again. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
We don't know that this happened. There will be a lot of stories about United in the coming weeks. Less than half of them will have any credibility behind them.
 
Well, there's no written request, so until SAF actually confirms that Rooney said this to him then I'll take it all with a pinch of salt. With Fergie retiring, Rooney wanting to leave is the next logical story when penning the tale of Manchester United's epic fall from grace.
 
I think there is room for both sides to be honest. He has been a phenomenal player for us, there is no questioning that, buth is behavior has been questionable. His position is under threat, yet that's what he held the club ransom for just over two years ago. We matched the ambition he demanded, and now he wants to leave because of it? I'd also question the bad blood with Moyes part, didn't he request the transfer before he knew Fergie was retiring?

To be fair, after coming back from what he did in 2010, I expected him to last longer than a couple seasons before asking to be transferred again. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Well he said in his book it was the biggest regret of his life, and that he wanted to be here for a long time. You'd really think he'd last longer than a couple of seasons when it's come straight from the horses mouth.
 
If he wants to go let him go. But get a big whack of cash for him and don't sell to any other English teams.

I'm not too excited by this at all. Maybe because I don't think he'll actually go but even if he does I don't think he's irreplaceable as a player. And yes, I still have a bitter taste in my mouth over all the nonsense last time and have never forgiven him for that so I have absolutely no emotional attachment to him.
 
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