It was more a 22 year old who was trusted with marking Alonso.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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It was more a 22 year old who was trusted with marking Alonso.
It is strange, but to be fair, I don't care that much if he goes.
RVP is a better striker, while if we want to play a more dynamic football Kagawa could be better suited than him for that role. Probably this is the last time we can get decent money from him, money with which we can improve our midfield.
We have gotten a lot of good years and good memories from him, but if he wants to go regardless if it is because of Moyes or a new challenge, I only wish him luck and to not score against us if we meet his team in UCL. Of course, another club in England should not be an option if he wants to leave.
RVP is a better striker, while if we want to play a more dynamic football Kagawa could be better suited than him for that role. Probably this is the last time we can get decent money from him, money with which we can improve our midfield.
We have gotten a lot of good years and good memories from him, but if he wants to go regardless if it is because of Moyes or a new challenge, I only wish him luck and to not score against us if we meet his team in UCL. Of course, another club in England should not be an option if he wants to leave.
Wasn't room for our star player though regardless.
Nope. We've moved on from where we were in 2010 when he was our most influential attacking player.
I've said it before. Was infracted for it. Will say it again.
If that's really how you feel, then feck off Rooney. You're not that important.
Still speculation ATM though no?
If that's really how you feel, then feck off Rooney. You're not that important.
Still speculation ATM though no?
Regardless of where the stories originate from its pretty conceivable that Wayne Rooney might want to leave. Unfortunately he is the one who asked for the likes of RVP after the smokescreen of 'questioning ambition'. Then he finds himself shell shocked because Danny Welbeck is starting the biggest game of the season ahead of him. And at the end of the season he's not remotely close to being the big fish at the club or in the league with so many names mentioned ahead of him in all the awards.
Stats prove nothing, it's been a mediocre season by Rooney's standards and whether he feels its because he's had unfortunate injuries and illnesses, he's not been handled right or he's simply not interested in Manchester United anymore...only he knows, but ruling it out is as stupid as those who ruled out everything else in the last 24-48 hrs.
I also have no doubts in my mind that there is the possibility of a little overhaul this summer because there are too many signals to suggest that certain players will be moving on, and 9 times out of 10 we bring in bodies to replace the departed.
Stats prove nothing, it's been a mediocre season by Rooney's standards and whether he feels its because he's had unfortunate injuries and illnesses, he's not been handled right or he's simply not interested in Manchester United anymore...only he knows, but ruling it out is as stupid as those who ruled out everything else in the last 24-48 hrs.
I also have no doubts in my mind that there is the possibility of a little overhaul this summer because there are too many signals to suggest that certain players will be moving on, and 9 times out of 10 we bring in bodies to replace the departed.
Why would the club come out and say he's not for sale if there wasn't something in it?
To ensure he's not going for peanuts? To ensure share prices don't go so far down in such a short period that the world might end?
Yeah, but there's still something there or they would say nothing.
Well there is undoubtably something in that. But I'm tired and emotional, and after The Boss leaving everything else is insignificant. If he's going to Piss off I hope he does it now. I won't mourn his departure. Not after last times shenanigans anyway.
I don't think he left on the best of terms with Moyes back then. But either way, when his head is not focused, his performances tend to play like shite. He is very much a confidence player, and his lack of consistency has cost us when Fergie built the team around him. Seeing him in a blue shirt would be interesting, but I think he may go to Madrid and end up being very successful.
I do believe the stories that he had asked for his transfer a few weeks ago and I can understand his reasoning as well. He's won everything here, aside from the goalscoring record there really isn't much more for him to do. The cow in the field is starting to look much better again and he may want to play in a different league, and there's nothing wrong with that.
What I do think is pretty shitty, is that this story was probably leaked by his management team and the timing couldn't have been any poorer. I don't know how much say he has in these things, but with the "sky is falling" attitude about the club right now, the last thing we needed is stories of our star player wanting to leave.
What I do think is pretty shitty, is that this story was probably leaked by his management team and the timing couldn't have been any poorer. I don't know how much say he has in these things, but with the "sky is falling" attitude about the club right now, the last thing we needed is stories of our star player wanting to leave.
I wish more people would have Scholesy's or Giggsy's thinking. When Scholes was asked "Are you tired of winning and want a change?", he said, "Tired of what? Tired of winning? Tired of winning trophies year after year?"
They have done this in the past, it's nothing new. We don't sell our best players they said about Beckham, Ronaldo isn't for sale and will remain with us for te long term they said.
Ruling it out over a late night statement on the day Sir Alex retires and share prices plummet is ridiculous. But, if he's here on September 1st, great.
Someone has probably already mentioned this but if Moyes becomes manager would it be an awkward situation with Wayne and the book etc etc?
I think the source of Rooney's troubles at United has always been that he wants to be the main man in a great United side and that is something that always seem to just evade him.
For all the talk of greediness and being motivated by money, I still believe, as I always have, that Wayne is motivated by recognition. He wants to be amongst the greats of the game. He wants to collect trophies and he wants to be at the forefront of the success.
It hasn't always happened for him though. In his first years at United he looked to be the biggest talent at the club but ultimately it was an unsuccessful time. Mourinho's Chelsea were in their pomp and we did not win the big honours. Then after the 2006 World Cup Ronaldo improved at such a rate and we entered the most successful period in our history. Whilst Wayne was obviously world class and a big player for us, Ronaldo was the star and Fergie gave him top billing. We reached two Champions League finals but Rooney didn't feature in the capacity he really wanted; substituted in the first and asked to play on the wing against Barcelona to accomodate Ronaldo.
Once Ronaldo had departed he probably felt it was his time to take centre stage and the plaudits but despite a fantastic second half of the 09/10 season, in which he was probably the best #9 in the world, we ended up with nothing. I think that was the catalyst for the first transfer request. I think Rooney felt he didn't enjoy the same quality of supporting cast that Ronaldo had in the seasons before and that had denied him of his time in the sun. Tevez had followed Ronaldo out the door, Scholes had dropped a level and no top players had been brought in to maintain our standing at the top. Rooney let his frustrations be known and the rest is history.
After recovering from the storm of the transfer saga he eventually got his top form back in his old No.10 role at the end of the 10/11 season in which we won the league. Another Champions League Final appearance and this time he had a chance to be the focal point but despite his best efforts we lose out again to Barca. He performed well in 11/12 but we lost out in the league and Europe was a disaster. Then Van Persie arrives. An undoubted world class player in his position. Van Persie has obviously been brilliant from day 1 for us and Rooney probably feels that he is the bridesmaid all over again. I can imagine that the selection in the Madrid games only confirmed this in his head.
In defence of Rooney, he has shown no bitterness towards RVP. If anything he has been positive about him, regularly complimenting his performances and not making a fuss of conceding penalty duties. I do think there is a hint of bitterness towards Ferguson though. It's almost a love/hate relationship in my eyes. Rooney desperately wanted Fergie to see him as the player whose role should not be compromised.
Whether Rooney has ever performed well enough, consistently enough to be afforded such a luxury is open to debate. Whilst he has never replicated Ronaldo's levels of 07/08 it would be harsh to suggest he has never performed to the levels Van Persie has shown this year.
It seems Rooney is frustrated again and doubts about his future have returned, although obviously it is all still speculation. Ultimately, I just hope that he stays. I still believe in his ability to produce moments of magic, score goals and display passion for this club that very few others can match.
Wherever he may see his future, if he wants to win the big prizes, there will always be other top players at the club. He needs to lose this inferiority complex and recognise his own potential to be the deciding factor on the biggest of stages. I still believe he can do that here.
For all the talk of greediness and being motivated by money, I still believe, as I always have, that Wayne is motivated by recognition. He wants to be amongst the greats of the game. He wants to collect trophies and he wants to be at the forefront of the success.
It hasn't always happened for him though. In his first years at United he looked to be the biggest talent at the club but ultimately it was an unsuccessful time. Mourinho's Chelsea were in their pomp and we did not win the big honours. Then after the 2006 World Cup Ronaldo improved at such a rate and we entered the most successful period in our history. Whilst Wayne was obviously world class and a big player for us, Ronaldo was the star and Fergie gave him top billing. We reached two Champions League finals but Rooney didn't feature in the capacity he really wanted; substituted in the first and asked to play on the wing against Barcelona to accomodate Ronaldo.
Once Ronaldo had departed he probably felt it was his time to take centre stage and the plaudits but despite a fantastic second half of the 09/10 season, in which he was probably the best #9 in the world, we ended up with nothing. I think that was the catalyst for the first transfer request. I think Rooney felt he didn't enjoy the same quality of supporting cast that Ronaldo had in the seasons before and that had denied him of his time in the sun. Tevez had followed Ronaldo out the door, Scholes had dropped a level and no top players had been brought in to maintain our standing at the top. Rooney let his frustrations be known and the rest is history.
After recovering from the storm of the transfer saga he eventually got his top form back in his old No.10 role at the end of the 10/11 season in which we won the league. Another Champions League Final appearance and this time he had a chance to be the focal point but despite his best efforts we lose out again to Barca. He performed well in 11/12 but we lost out in the league and Europe was a disaster. Then Van Persie arrives. An undoubted world class player in his position. Van Persie has obviously been brilliant from day 1 for us and Rooney probably feels that he is the bridesmaid all over again. I can imagine that the selection in the Madrid games only confirmed this in his head.
In defence of Rooney, he has shown no bitterness towards RVP. If anything he has been positive about him, regularly complimenting his performances and not making a fuss of conceding penalty duties. I do think there is a hint of bitterness towards Ferguson though. It's almost a love/hate relationship in my eyes. Rooney desperately wanted Fergie to see him as the player whose role should not be compromised.
Whether Rooney has ever performed well enough, consistently enough to be afforded such a luxury is open to debate. Whilst he has never replicated Ronaldo's levels of 07/08 it would be harsh to suggest he has never performed to the levels Van Persie has shown this year.
It seems Rooney is frustrated again and doubts about his future have returned, although obviously it is all still speculation. Ultimately, I just hope that he stays. I still believe in his ability to produce moments of magic, score goals and display passion for this club that very few others can match.
Wherever he may see his future, if he wants to win the big prizes, there will always be other top players at the club. He needs to lose this inferiority complex and recognise his own potential to be the deciding factor on the biggest of stages. I still believe he can do that here.
Well we can't sell both Nani and Rooney. Aside from Kagawa and Giggs we'd have no really creative player.
Except Buttner, of course.
If Rooney ever wanted to leave, now is the best time. He really only stayed the last time because of SAF. Moyes will have to really sell his vision to get Rooney to stay, IMO.
Rooney will go and Plech is right, it's now crucial that we hang on to Nani.
If we let both go and don't bring in two world class replacements, then we are in real trouble.
Rooney will go and Plech is right, it's now crucial that we hang on to Nani.
If we let both go and don't bring in two world class replacements, then we are in real trouble.
You know it's time for bed when you read that as 'Moyes will have to really sell his television to get Rooney to stay'.
I wonder if Sir Alex leaving might actually be good for Nani? It's obviously pure speculation but I always got the feeling they never got along. I'm probably just being hopeful though, too much bad news today.
He tried that at Everton, Rooney still left.Don't worry, we have 100k a week Ashley Young.
I imagine if Rooney/Nani left we would bring in a new left winger, with Kagawa coming central and playing behind Van Persie.
We aren't going to stick with Young first choice on the left and regardless, three wingers isn't enough. There are plenty of creative players we could get to replace Kagawa/Young on the left, Isco or someone maybe.
There's also the issue of leadership and charisma though. Without Wayne, and without Fergie, who do the team look to to say, "I'm not fecking having this" when we're losing? I don't think Kagawa's that player, Carrick certainly isn't, Jones might become it. RVP can certainly conjure something out of nothing, but it's not the same thing.
If we sold Rooney we'd need to replace not just his creativity but his aura. Not necessarily all in one player, of course.
If we sold Rooney we'd need to replace not just his creativity but his aura. Not necessarily all in one player, of course.
Bugger that.
So, where does he want to go? Bayern? And how much would we demand? There's absolutely no point in keeping Ronald McDonald here if he doesn't wanna be here, in my opinion.
Painful
I want Rooney to stay. Requesting to leave again just adds to the bad news for us. He's clearly got to sort his head out and the next manager will have a job on his hands to deal with that. But for a while now he hasn't looked right. Maybe his pride's hurt at being played all over the place? Maybe he's lost some hunger? I don't know. But with Fergie dropping this bombshell he's got a chance for a clean slate here. Not to mention that he can achieve immortality for our club with a few more productive seasons. If he can't regain his ability and take advantage of everything we're offering, then it's his loss.
If he isn't up for the fight any more, then off he goes. We'll survive.
If he isn't up for the fight any more, then off he goes. We'll survive.
Indeed. We have a few of them in defense, but not enough in midfield/attack. We need some natural born winners, the type that throw stuff around when they lose. Bad losers.
If he's asked to leave again we should shaft him.
Is Rooney even that player? I used to think he is. He'd demonstrate it with his goals against City and West Ham in that season. I can't really remember a number of occasions since when he has.
He's done it again. Thanks Wayne.
Yeah thanks Obama.
Well maybe he is more pissed about having to play in central midfield than we thought?
And maybe he was a bit pissed of being left out of one of the biggest games of the season?
But maybe he just wants to get an even bigger paycheck but in the end no one really knows apart from the man himself, so everything is of course just pure speculation at this point.
Well maybe he is more pissed about having to play in central midfield than we thought?
And maybe he was a bit pissed of being left out of one of the biggest games of the season?
But maybe he just wants to get an even bigger paycheck but in the end no one really knows apart from the man himself, so everything is of course just pure speculation at this point.
So will anyone still be employed by our club at this time next week?
I'd expect RvP will be the one to do that. We also have Rafael who I think could potentially be this type of player once he adds a bit of maturity. The obvious is to add a center mid with those qualities to partner Carrick.
As others have said though, I'm not even really sure Rooney has offered us this lately.
Don't understand the hate Wayne is getting. He's been an amazing servant for the club, and now that SAF is retiring, he fancies a new challenge. Nothing wrong with that and I don't begrudge him it.
It's obviously very disappointing to lose him because of the history and his current status as one of our best players, but fair enough. Good luck to him.
It's obviously very disappointing to lose him because of the history and his current status as one of our best players, but fair enough. Good luck to him.
Even if the disillusionment is reversible i have to wonder how much time and effort should be expended in this instance. For one there is a reasonable chance that we'd only be postponing the inevitable and that a moment when we could not so easily influence the outcome to best advantage. And the new manager will have enough to contend with besides a saga which could drag on right to deadline day.
Over the last year he his professionalism for both club and country can be called into question, his contract is approaching renewal and instils only more doubt than faith in the longer term.
Over the last year he his professionalism for both club and country can be called into question, his contract is approaching renewal and instils only more doubt than faith in the longer term.
It's the fecking timing.
It all happened two weeks ago though didn't it. The timing is media manufactured.
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