Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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It wasn't known/confirmed until this evening, when some cheeky fecker brief every single sports journalist in the country.
 
I tell you what I'd much rather this than us suddenly deciding we will play him in midfield every week.
 
Randall Flagg said:
The rumours haven't gone away all season. I would also be gutted that he leaves, but you must admit his future looks to be properly in doubt.
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This is a non-sequitur. The rumours all season have been about different moves, prompted by different problems, motivations or reported 'situations'. Individually, many of them have been shown to be misplaced or just plain made up. So why when looked back on as a whole do they suddenly count as evidence that something is actually going on?

I honestly have not seen any convincing evidence that he is any more likely to leave right now than at any other time. No quotes from Rooney, no quotes from his representatives, no quotes from Fergie or the club, no quotes from any team purporting to be negotiating with him.

The problem is that people think that the saying 'no smoke without fire' applies to sports journalism, which sadly it doesn't always. Tabloid sports sections follow a dynamic closer to a Salem witch hunt, particularly when it comes to Rooney. It only takes once voice to make something up, and pretty soon everyone is saying it and it's a fact.
 
I find it hard to believe he'd ask to leave twice and he'd not be sold.
 
wr8_utd said:
Anyway, Rooney put in an "informal request" and was turned down and said he's not for sale. So he's going to be here anyway.
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If he really has put a request in then it means there's little chance of him signing an extension (unless he's playing us again which I doubt) so with two years left on his deal we'd probably be force to sell this Summer to get a full fee (£30m+). If the club has really confirmed this then he'll go.
 
So it wasn't confirmed till the evening (and by the club) but yet none of the journos chose to Tweet the story until one paper had it up on their site? Okay that sounds believable.
 
Decotron said:
No matter what the context or your opinions on the man losing him would be an absolutely huge loss. Nothing else.
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Depends. This time last year, losing Rooney would have been a bigger blow than it would be right now.

Either way it is still a big loss and as someone else has pointed out, the team would need a dose of restructuring to win the league.
 
RDCR07 said:
No one desperately wants him out. Half of them havent forgiven him for his contract fiasco and wouldnt care if he left. There is big difference between wanting him out and not really caring if he left. Then there is the other half, which includes me, who hope he stays because he still has something to offer.
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Broyphs said:
Everyone on here? Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh?
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Be as pedantic as you want, any discussions on here regarding Rooney are all overwhelmingly negative and the ones who'd actively want him to stay are in the minority. Between those who want him out and those who couldn't care less if he left I bet there are a fair few are the same bellends calling him a cnut for asking to leave.
 
Brightonian said:
There's so much fecktardery in such a small space in this thread that I can't actually work out what to quote first.

1. 'Rooney has had attitude problems for a while', or anything along those lines: No. He had a bit of a barney with the club and handed in a transfer request more than two and a half years ago. Since then there have been no signs of discord or attitude problems whatsoever. Every now and then the media has tried to conjure some up, but they always get discredited. However, each of these non-events apparently survives in the brains of caftards as a real thing, and whenever a new one arises, they bring up all the past fictions.

2. 'Rooney has looked disinterested recently.' Has he? I can't say I've noticed it. He's not having his best season, although it's worth noting that, game for game, it's almost his most productive ever. Really what's happened this season is that he missed much of the first half through injury, and as a result when his stats come up they don't look as good as might be expected. From this, caftards begin to extrapolate... In which recent games has he looked 'disinterested?' I thought in his recent midfield outings he really seemed to be enjoying himself, and the stats showed that he was covering more ground than almost every other player on the pitch. So that's another complete myth drawn into existence by United fans' daft determination to criticise and distrust Rooney.

3. 'Rooney is not one of our best/most important players any more.' Honestly, you just have to have had your eyes closed all season to think this. Yes, RVP is scoring feckloads of goals. But every single time Rooney has been missing from the line-up, we have seriously struggled, and looked incredibly lacklustre. The midfield and attack have not linked up, no-one has operated in the hole effectively, and the general tempo and spirit of play has been very poor. Every time Rooney has returned from injury, there has been a noticeable recovery in our form. The most obvious of these was when he came on to almost rescue the utter shambles against Spurs in September, getting an assist and basically showing more in his 45 minutes than the entire team in the first half. That turned around a period in which, despite RVP starting regularly, we had been in terrible form. Afterwards we were much better, with Rooney at the heart of the revival.

It would be sheer madness to sell him, especially the very season that Fergie retires. What's more, he's done absolutely nothing to deserve it since the incident in 2010. So please, stop pandering to the unsubstantiated bollocks in the media. And once a story is abandoned and discredited it, remember that. Don't nod along with the criticism of the media but then bring it all up again as fact next time the 'jump on Rooney' bandwagon comes to town.

Rant over.

EDIT: Oh, and 'He's on £250k/week'. No he's not. That's the figure the Sun made up by calculating his percentage of his image rights, something which lots of the big names get these days but which is never considered as part of the weekly wage, and adding it to the figure touted by all the more respectable media institutions: £180k/week. By all accounts, that is also what RVP is on.
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Don't talk sense in the Rooney thread! How very dare you!
 
wr8_utd said:
So it wasn't confirmed till the evening (and by the club) but yet none of the journos chose to Tweet the story until one paper had it up on their site? Okay that sounds believable.
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There was the slightly bigger story of SAF retiring and Moyes joining that kind of took over sporting matters. The press have no reason to bullshit when they can fill pages with SAF, Moyes and co for days.
 
Let him go then. PSG would fit him well and as long as we get a horrendous fee, it's alright. No point in keeping a player who wants out badly
 
If both Ferguson and Rooney leave, I don't think I can survive. What is happening to this football club?
 
Without Fergie around to intermittently slap some sense into the press and our idiot fans we're going to turn into a full on, Madrid-esque circus, aren't we?

Man, I'm starting to think I might well retire myself.
 
shaggy said:
There was the slightly bigger story of SAF retiring and Moyes joining that kind of took over sporting matters. The press have no reason to bullshit when they can fill pages with SAF, Moyes and co for days.
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These journos spend an awful lot of time on Twitter so I really don't think it would have been that big a deal for them to Tweet that "Rooney asked for a transfer...again" if they'd been briefed about it in the evening by the club.
 
Dominos said:
Be as pedantic as you want, any discussions on here regarding Rooney are all overwhelmingly negative and the ones who'd actively want him to stay are in the minority.
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That's probably because this thread is almost unbearable for those who don't pander to the Mail and its ilk and therefore don't jump for joy every time an article about Rooney being shit now, being a traitorous cnut or handing in a transfer request starts to proliferate across the internet.

I've only been posting here for five minutes or so and I'm already near suicidal. It's one of the strangest threads on the Caf. Like RAWK in reverse.
 
Not even remotely surprised by this and even if he hadn't asked for a transfer a couple of weeks ago, the bad blood between him and Moyes would probably have led to this anyway.

He's been mint for us, and when he's good he's almost unplayable. But in my eyes he hasn't quite gone on to be the player he could have been.

And asking twice for a transfer? Thanks for the memories Wayne, but off you go.
 
Brightonian said:
There's so much fecktardery in such a small space in this thread that I can't actually work out what to quote first.

1. 'Rooney has had attitude problems for a while', or anything along those lines: No. He had a bit of a barney with the club and handed in a transfer request more than two and a half years ago. Since then there have been no signs of discord or attitude problems whatsoever. Every now and then the media has tried to conjure some up, but they always get discredited. However, each of these non-events apparently survives in the brains of caftards as a real thing, and whenever a new one arises, they bring up all the past fictions.

2. 'Rooney has looked disinterested recently.' Has he? I can't say I've noticed it. He's not having his best season, although it's worth noting that, game for game, it's almost his most productive ever. Really what's happened this season is that he missed much of the first half through injury, and as a result when his stats come up they don't look as good as might be expected. From this, caftards begin to extrapolate... In which recent games has he looked 'disinterested?' I thought in his recent midfield outings he really seemed to be enjoying himself, and the stats showed that he was covering more ground than almost every other player on the pitch. So that's another complete myth drawn into existence by United fans' daft determination to criticise and distrust Rooney.

3. 'Rooney is not one of our best/most important players any more.' Honestly, you just have to have had your eyes closed all season to think this. Yes, RVP is scoring feckloads of goals. But every single time Rooney has been missing from the line-up, we have seriously struggled, and looked incredibly lacklustre. The midfield and attack have not linked up, no-one has operated in the hole effectively, and the general tempo and spirit of play has been very poor. Every time Rooney has returned from injury, there has been a noticeable recovery in our form. The most obvious of these was when he came on to almost rescue the utter shambles against Spurs in September, getting an assist and basically showing more in his 45 minutes than the entire team in the first half. That turned around a period in which, despite RVP starting regularly, we had been in terrible form. Afterwards we were much better, with Rooney at the heart of the revival.

It would be sheer madness to sell him, especially the very season that Fergie retires. What's more, he's done absolutely nothing to deserve it since the incident in 2010. So please, stop pandering to the unsubstantiated bollocks in the media. And once a story is abandoned and discredited it, remember that. Don't nod along with the criticism of the media but then bring it all up again as fact next time the 'jump on Rooney' bandwagon comes to town.

Rant over.

EDIT: Oh, and 'He's on £250k/week'. No he's not. That's the figure the Sun made up by calculating his percentage of his image rights, something which lots of the big names get these days but which is never considered as part of the weekly wage, and adding it to the figure touted by all the more respectable media institutions: £180k/week. By all accounts, that is also what RVP is on.
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Disagree with pretty much all of this. Still think he's one of our best players but it's blatantly obvious to me has looked unmotivated and disinterest this year. With 2 years left on his contract it's not sheer madness to sell him at all, much better to sell now than risk him leaving on a free.
 
shaggy said:
Disagree with pretty much all of this. Still think he's one of our best players but it's blatantly obvious to me has looked unmotivated and disinterest this year. With 2 years left on his contract it's not sheer madness to sell him at all, much better to sell now than risk him leaving on a free.
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Probably our best chance to make some decent money out of him.
 
He can feck off, so many of you falling all over yourselves for him.

He hasn't given a feck about the club for the last 18 months.

Disgraceful cnut of a man.

Sell him to Chelsea, we'll take him Jose and City on.
 
Broyphs said:
David McDonnell ‏@DiscoMirror 3m
Man Utd confirmed Rooney went to Ferguson a fortnight ago, asked to leave this summer and had his request turned down #MUFC

Not sure whether he means someone reliable, or just some bloke that works on the bins at OT.
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What twat do we have working at the club that is "confirming" to journos the private conversations and matters between a player and the manager...

Sam, you've wanted him out for months, he asks to leave and he's done something wrong, why?
 
shaggy said:
Disagree with pretty much all of this. Still think he's one of our best players but it's blatantly obvious to me has looked unmotivated and disinterest this year. With 2 years left on his contract it's not sheer madness to sell him at all, much better to sell now than risk him leaving on a free.
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And yet game for game he's having one of his most productive seasons ever. In plenty of games this season he has covered more ground than any other player. Doesn't sound unmotivated or disinterested to me.
 
Well if its true about the club confirming it (very strange after the SAF news) then he's all but gone. Not a chance we will keep him if he's asking to go again. It's all starting to feel very Arsenal like isn't it.
 
As long as we get a decent fee and he doesn't join Chelsea/Arsenal/Citeh, we should just let him go without making a mess in the media..
 
Dominos said:
What twat do we have working at the club that is "confirming" to journos the private conversations and matters between a player and the manager...
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Actually, that reminds me, why hasn't the person who leaked Sir Alex's intentions to retire and therefore forced him to do it earlier than he had hoped been found and strung up outside Carrington yet? It was a seriously disgusting betrayal by somebody reasonably high in the club.
 
holdsteady said:
He can feck off, so many of you falling all over yourselves for him.

He hasn't given a feck about the club for the last 18 months.

Disgraceful cnut of a man.

Sell him to Chelsea, we'll take him Jose and City on.
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34 goals last season :lol:

cnut for asking to leave a football club.. Some of you need to get a grip..
 
Brightonian said:
And yet game for game he's having one of his most productive seasons ever. In plenty of games this season he has covered more ground than any other player. Doesn't sound unmotivated or disinterested to me.
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By his standards it's been well below par but I'm not getting into that again.
 
holdsteady said:
He can feck off, so many of you falling all over yourselves for him.

He hasn't given a feck about the club for the last 18 months.

Disgraceful cnut of a man.

Sell him to Chelsea, we'll take him Jose and City on.
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We don't really encourage that kind of thing. I know you all are having a bad day but keep some class.
 
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