Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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The hate for Rooney really is crazy on here at times. He's had to deal with the best striker in the PL coming here and taking his favoured position in the team, not to mention Kagawa, who SAF was also regularly starting ahead of him early on too. That's enough to drain any players confidence a little, and then on top of that, SAF has decided to constantly play him as a midfielder, despite the fact that when he's actually played in his favourite position, he's still been very productive and delivered some excellent performances.

I really can't get over why people are so happy to sell him. He's only 28 this Summer, still our second best player (behind a near 30 year old, might I add) and will basically play wherever the feck SAF asks him too without complaining about it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Amen to that.

John O'Shea's departure has inevitably left a vacancy in the scapegoat department and there's only so much hating on Young/Valencia a caftard can do before needing to mix things up a bit. Which is where Rooney comes into the picture...
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I predict some troubling Caf times for Tom Cleverley next season... I have a feeling.
 
I reckon Cleverley questions our ambition. He hasnt actually said it. But I can see it in his eyes.

We should buy a world class player in his position and then make him play in defense, that will teach the fecker.
 
There's also an increasing trend on the Caf for posters to make sweeping statements about the opinions of everyone in one thread. Why is the criticism of Rooney regarded as having hate for him and not an actual valid opinion that he's looked well below his relatively high standards for much of the year?
 
100 said:
There's also an increasing trend on the Caf for posters to make sweeping statements about the opinions of everyone in one thread. Why is the criticism of Rooney regarded as having hate for him and not an actual valid opinion that he's looked well below his relatively high standards for much of the year?
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Well for one more than half of them have not forgiven him for the contract situation. Secondly, he hasnt had a terrible season. What are his stats? Something like 15 goals and 15 assists in all competitions? That is nothing to be laughed at. Everyone has off games. I agree that Rooney had a fair share of his but I think people are not thinking clearly when they say he has to go and he has become dogshit these days.
 
Adebesi said:
I reckon Cleverley questions our ambition. He hasnt actually said it. But I can see it in his eyes.

We should buy a world class player in his position and then make him play in defense, that will teach the fecker.
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:lol:
 
RDCR07 said:
Thats a problem? Really? Are you forgetting his versatility? Are you forgetting that he put the needs of his team ahead of himself and was willing to adapt to new positions? Are you also forgetting that no other player in our team can play so many positions and be good at all of them? He may not be at his peak right now but there arent many players in the world right now that are like Rooney.
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It is if he's earning north of £200k a week. A manager like Sir Alex might consider he can get better value for his money elsewhere.

And I haven't forgotten anything, nor am I criticising his work ethic or his talent - I'm simply stating facts.

He's probably the highest paid player at the club and isnt, on current form guaranteed a start. That's a problem whichever way you look at it. He needs to improve and hopefully will do so. If not, then I fear for him, because Fergie wont be sentimental if he feels he's had his best years out of him and needs to move him on.
 
100 said:
There's also an increasing trend on the Caf for posters to make sweeping statements about the opinions of everyone in one thread. Why is the criticism of Rooney regarded as having hate for him and not an actual valid opinion that he's looked well below his relatively high standards for much of the year?
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It is a bit annoying, isn't it? It's not just about Rooney though; say something bad about Valencia (well not anymore) and you are a Valencia hater and Nani lover and vice versa.

With Rooney it's a bit more complex. I think many still regard him as world class and we all know he has the potential to be just that. It's just that his all-round play this season has mostly been rubbish. I would argue that he isn't much better for our overall play this season than Hernandez. Rooney's touch and pace has gone completely, and that is more fact than opinion. To say it though, requires you to be mental or just a Rooney hater....
 
I haven't seen much hate on him, today at least. Suggesting Bale might make us a better team certainly isn't hating on Rooney. In fact given this season it's a complimentary comparison.
 
Cina said:
The hate for Rooney really is crazy on here at times. He's had to deal with the best striker in the PL coming here and taking his favoured position in the team, not to mention Kagawa, who SAF was also regularly starting ahead of him early on too. That's enough to drain any players confidence a little, and then on top of that, SAF has decided to constantly play him as a midfielder, despite the fact that when he's actually played in his favourite position, he's still been very productive and delivered some excellent performances.

I really can't get over why people are so happy to sell him. He's only 28 this Summer, still our second best player (behind a near 30 year old, might I add) and will basically play wherever the feck SAF asks him too without complaining about it.
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His body language and fitness this season disagree.
 
RDCR07 said:
Well for one more than half of them have not forgiven him for the contract situation. Secondly, he hasnt had a terrible season. What are his stats? Something like 15 goals and 15 assists in all competitions? That is nothing to be laughed at. Everyone has off games. I agree that Rooney had a fair share of his but I think people are not thinking clearly when they say he has to go and he has become dogshit these days.
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One, you're still assuming that first fact, and making another sweeping generalization in the process, the exact point 100 was making. Also he didn't say he had a terrible season, you're being hysterical and responding to something that was never mentioned. He said he had a season below his high standards, which I'd be very surprised if anyone on this forum disagreed with.
 
Andrew~ said:
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He was hilariously bad when he came on. You can't even take that performance seriously because he obviously wasn't arsed. He can play far better than that so I wouldn't be all that fussed.
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Like to think when a player puts on that red shirt ,they can be arsed.
 
What with his demeanour on the pitch recently, I hope he's not building up to another 'We need more quality/lack of ambition in the transfer market blah blah...so please can I have even more money?' pseudo-stance. Being badly advised once is forgivable; not a second time though.
 
Id be stunned, Steve, the situation is nothing like it was then, he has nowhere near the amount of leverage he had then. If he agitated for a move now it would surely be because he was genuinely fed up of being shunted around, or felt he is undervalued or something. I dont actually think he was bluffing last time per se, I think he felt what he said to be true (a lot of people on here were saying similar) but was talked around. But then he was the star, we had to rush him back for big games even if he was injured. This time around he cant get in the team for the biggest game, despite being fit. Hardly a position of strength to be demanding a payrise.
 
I hope you're right, mate. I just think that Rooney's people will strongly resist any suggestion of the player taking a wage-cut. This may well lead to Rooney leaving.
 
Regarding his body language and "laziness" against Chelsea, whilst it did come across badly, he was both used as a substitute and had to play in midfield when he did come on. For a player considered the best in our team a little over a year ago, it's probably a tad frustrating to be in that situation.
 
True, chief. However, I learned from experience that the boss' word is law. If Rooney was a manager, he'd expect his players to follow orders even if they felt these didn't benefit them personally. The team and tactics are the 'bigger picture.'

Though I admit I'm biased - I've never liked the idea of senior players having too much say.
 
SteveJ said:
True, chief. However, I learned from experience that the boss' word is law. If Rooney was a manager, he'd expect his players to follow orders even if they felt these didn't benefit them personally. The team and tactics are the 'bigger picture.'

Though I admit I'm biased - I've never liked the idea of senior players having too much say.
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Most definitely, but do you not think Rooney has followed those orders in the past, better than most players as good as him would? What other great player in world football would play out of position so much to accommodate others, and to help deal with the weaknesses in our team? I can't think of many. Back then though, Rooney was still always in the team, always, no matter what, where as nowadays that hasn't really been the case, he's often found himself benched after a lackluster performance, or dropped entirely for really big games, so obviously I think it's probably frustrating him more now than it ever did before, because he's just not used to that at all, especially when he's been used in his best position this season, he's actually been mostly very good and very productive.
 
Rooney's favoured position is behind a striker. RVP hasnt taken that role... Yet. Its Rooney's own performances that put pressure on him.
 
Cina said:
Most definitely, but do you not think Rooney has followed those orders in the past, better than most players as good as him would? What other great player in world football would play out of position so much to accommodate others, and to help deal with the weaknesses in our team? I can't think of many. Back then though, Rooney was still always in the team, always, no matter what, where as nowadays that hasn't really been the case, he's often found himself benched after a lackluster performance, or dropped entirely for really big games, so obviously I think it's probably frustrating him more now than it ever did before, because he's just not used to that at all, especially when he's been used in his best position this season, he's actually been mostly very good and very productive.
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Yeah, good points. But really, if he genuinely feels that little is going to alter, he needs to put his money where his mouth is & go*.


*I'm not advocating his leaving; just saying he should have the courage of his convictions.
 
Cina said:
Regarding his body language and "laziness" against Chelsea, whilst it did come across badly, he was both used as a substitute and had to play in midfield when he did come on. For a player considered the best in our team a little over a year ago, it's probably a tad frustrating to be in that situation.
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Yet we constantly hear about how much he 'sacrifices' himself for the team. Dropping deep ocassionally isn't too much to ask of him surely. It's a privilege to play for Manchester United. He should appreciate it. You'd think he'd played all season sitting in front of the back four the way people are going on.
 
acnumber9 said:
Yet we constantly hear about how much he 'sacrifices' himself for the team. Dropping team ocassionally isn't too much to ask of him surely. It's a privilege to play for Manchester United. He should appreciate it. You'd think he'd played all season sitting in front of the back four the way people are going on.
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It is interesting isn't it. He's such a good servant by sacrificing himself and being willing to play out of position, something which no other top players will do, yet he's not playing well because he's not actually liking sacrificing himself and playing out of position.
 
SteveJ said:
I hope you're right, mate. I just think that Rooney's people will strongly resist any suggestion of the player taking a wage-cut. This may well lead to Rooney leaving.
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All depends what he wants long term. If he wants to stay he wont get what he got last time if he signs a new deal.

The alternative is to go abroad, but I question whether he would want to go and what top clubs would actually want him. PSG seems like an option but I doubt the likes of Barca or Real Madrid would be interested.
 
Ekeke said:
Rooney's favoured position is behind a striker. RVP hasnt taken that role... Yet. Its Rooney's own performances that put pressure on him.
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Yeah but if that's true then how else can we justify his poor form this season? It obviously has to be because he's been out of position.
 
Cina said:
The hate for Rooney really is crazy on here at times. He's had to deal with the best striker in the PL coming here and taking his favoured position in the team, not to mention Kagawa, who SAF was also regularly starting ahead of him early on too. That's enough to drain any players confidence a little, and then on top of that, SAF has decided to constantly play him as a midfielder, despite the fact that when he's actually played in his favourite position, he's still been very productive and delivered some excellent performances.

I really can't get over why people are so happy to sell him. He's only 28 this Summer, still our second best player (behind a near 30 year old, might I add) and will basically play wherever the feck SAF asks him too without complaining about it.
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It wasn't so long ago that Wayne Rooney questioned the club's ambition and the ability to attract top players. We signed two top players last year - Van Persie and Kagawa. Rooney has got what he wanted, he wanted more top players.

It's his whole demeanor and attitude on the pitch, he's been very off this season. He doesn't look arsed and his fitness seems shot.
 
acnumber9 said:
Yet we constantly hear about how much he 'sacrifices' himself for the team. Dropping team ocassionally isn't too much to ask of him surely. It's a privilege to play for Manchester United. He should appreciate it. You'd think he'd played all season sitting in front of the back four the way people are going on.
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I'm not saying it's right on his behalf to have the attitude he did against Chelsea, but if there's one thing you can't criticise Rooney for over the years here, it's his willingness to take one for the team. This year he's had to do it more than ever before and been dropped plenty, which he's not used to, so it seems natural to me that he might struggle a little more with that.

I also really don't buy the "not arsed" thing, not at all.
 
gza the genius said:
Body language. Rooney certainly hasn't looked arsed quite a few times this season. Before if he was out of form he still ran around a lot, he doesn't seem to bother much some of the time this season.
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Agreed.

I said before that even when he wasn't in good form, he still ran his socks off and gave everything. Now he doesn't seem to do that.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Rooney's pass completion rate is usually higher than that. I think if people are expecting Lewandowski to be some sort of perfect and never frustrating player then they are going to be unpleasantly surprised.
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:confused: He plays in a system where players take more risks in their passing. Apart from that Lewandowski has been generally good in the other aspects of his play. He keeps the ball very well even in tight spaces. The main gripe with him over the past few seasons has been his finishing. He's improved on that this season.

Rooney and Lewandowski don't approach the game the same way either. Lewa isn't really reknown for playing off a striker. If we bought him, it would be a selection headache as we would then have 3 strikers who like to lead the line (Lewandowski, RvP, Hernandez). In my eyes, if we're truly going to be fair to all our players, someone has to go if we're bringing in another striker which really shouldn't be our aim. I have critcised Wayne heavily this season but I don't necessarily want him sold.
 
gza the genius said:
Yeah but if that's true then how else can we justify his poor form this season? It obviously has to be because he's been out of position.
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Where is this assertion coming from? We have played him a few times in midfield, a couple times on the wing and most of the time as the most advanced midfielder (call it a 10 if you life) in the lineup. We have noticed how he's playing deeper but he even drops deeps when he's playing off the striker just to help our midfield.

He's played in his favored position and not performed well consistently enough. This recent move to the midfield as Fergie said, was intended to build up his confidence. If anything it's only brought it out in spurts. With the type of player Wayne is, he loves to be involved. Why do you think he drops so deep even when he's one of the forward players? Based on his overall play this season, he would have been better off playing as a 9 but we all know who has that position. It's up to Wayne to step it up and own his position. Otherwise, Fergie will continue to use Wayne's versatility even if it's to Rooney's dislike. I'm open to the fact he might be sold, but I do not like it. He's an important player. If he does go, then he goes and we'll move on accordingly. We always have.
 
That is true Aboutreika but like you say, I think it would be a waste. Besides, we have Kagawa for that position.
 
Cina said:
I'm not saying it's right on his behalf to have the attitude he did against Chelsea, but if there's one thing you can't criticise Rooney for over the years here, it's his willingness to take one for the team. This year he's had to do it more than ever before and been dropped plenty, which he's not used to, so it seems natural to me that he might struggle a little more with that.

I also really don't buy the "not arsed" thing, not at all.
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Just as Welbeck has been played out wide most of this season with little fuss. I get what you're saying has Wayne is a much better player than Welbeck. My point is though, I don't think Fergie would be shunting him around as much if his performances were better. His stats are great mind
 
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