Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Pexbo said:
Nobody is saying he is indispensable, suggesting we should force him to a major pay cut and accept he isn't first choice on the team sheet is nonsense though.

No player in their right mind should expect to get a lesser contract at the age of 27. He's still a fecking good player and we'd be worse off without him so rather than partaking in careless posturing we'd do well to give him a contract that goes in line with his ability and his service to the club thus far.

Contrary to what people think, he's not going to be easily replaced at all. He's the ultimate squad player who can play any role in the middle and final third. We'd be daft to think signing another top class striker would replace his contribution over a season in the League and Europe.

With no International Tournament this summer, he'll be back in good time for a pre-season and will hopefully have a good year next year.
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Not a pay cut no, all Im saying is if his scumbag agent thinks he is going to get another massive pay INCREASE he might just be in for a bit of a surprise.
 
Fergus' son said:
How do people decide they know these types of things?
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From reading newspapers such as 'The Star' too much. I don't know how many times I've heard football fans talk about things as if it's a fact, from what they read in a newspaper. It annoys the hell out of me.
 
You get the impression some people think SAF and the club have just been patiently waiting for an opportunity to sting Rooney back over the contract saga. It's fallacy borne in the papers. If he leaves it won't be because SAFs bided his time and decided to wait until Rooney is no longer the main man here so he can get him back for 'shafting us'.

Pexbo said:
Posts like this really are nonsense.

He's had a bit of a fractured season, not played in the ideal role at times and not played as an out and out striker at all yet has 12 goals and 9 assists in 24 League games. He's 27 years old and it's the last big contract he has to offer and he's coming up to 10 years service for the club. Lets have a bit of perspective.
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Use of stats in this thread to support any opinions of Rooney is frowned upon (but you're spot on!)

Pexbo said:
Contrary to what people think, he's not going to be easily replaced at all. He's the ultimate squad player who can play any role in the middle and final third. We'd be daft to think signing another top class striker would replace his contribution over a season in the League and Europe.

With no International Tournament this summer, he'll be back in good time for a pre-season and will hopefully have a good year next year.
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Can't think of anyone else who can play anywhere across the front 6 to the level Rooney does.
 
I'm not going to speculate at all on whether or not Rooney will be sold but the idea that he can't be replaced is ridiculous. When have we ever replaced like for like? If Rooney goes and we get a center mid or two and another good striker (I really don't think we'd even need another striker with Welbeck RvP and Chich) we'll be absolutely fine if not better off. The only reason we're as reliant on Rooney as we currently are is because we're short on quality in the center of the pitch and Rooney can cover most of that area, get a midfielder or two in and that won't be necessary anymore.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Not a pay cut no, all Im saying is if his scumbag agent thinks he is going to get another massive pay INCREASE he might just be in for a bit of a surprise.
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Do you think Rooney deserves to be the best paid player at the club, or in the League (as Fergie said when he signed his last contract)?

This is a player who spends large chunks of seasons either injured, out of form, or 'playing his way back into form after injury'...his stats are always good, yes,..he's a very good player, you'd expect that. But in terms of induvidual ability, consistency, injury record etc he should not be on such a big contract.

Personally, I think we've seen the best of Rooney. Not to say he's not still a very good player, he is. But he's not as good or important as he once was. His next contract should reflect that.
 
Shark22 said:
From reading newspapers such as 'The Star' too much. I don't know how many times I've heard football fans talk about things as if it's a fact, from what they read in a newspaper. It annoys the hell out of me.
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Indeed, me too!
 
Sam said:
Do you think Rooney deserves to be the best paid player at the club, or in the League (as Fergie said when he signed his last contract)?

This is a player who spends large chunks of seasons either injured, out of form, or 'playing his way back into form after injury'...his stats are always good, yes,..he's a very good player, you'd expect that. But in terms of induvidual ability, consistency, injury record etc he should not be on such a big contract.

Personally, I think we've seen the best of Rooney. Not to say he's not still a very good player, he is. But he's not as good or important as he once was. His next contract should reflect that.
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No I don't, but I wouldn't necessarily cut his wages, Id offer an extension on his current, very generous (apparently) terms and if that is not enough for him then bye bye. After all how many prossies and hair transplants does one gormless scouser really need?
 
I've always said he is the heartbeat of this team and of all the players of recent years, he's the one I'd hate to see leave the most.

That being said, we can't have another agent led problem like last time with him. If that's where he is headed again, I don't think SAF will have that again and I'd agree with that.

But I think he'd have to go abroad, we can't let City or Chelsea get him.
 
LR7 said:
You say it happens but no one came in here to lavish praise on that performance did they? So clearly no one only sees the good touches like you suggest. The people who defend Rooney most in here admitted he wasn't great.

On the other hand though, so many flooded this thread to heap their criticism on Rooney. He wasn't as bad as people make out. He did some things well. Several other players performed poorly and it wasn't a great all round team performance. RvP, Jones and Rio in particular also had poor games, but you will never see the type of vitriol in their threads that recently frequents the Rooney thread.
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Of course, even when Rooney plays well we'll come in here and say how shit he was, mwhahaha
 
LR7 said:
You get the impression some people think SAF and the club have just been patiently waiting for an opportunity to sting Rooney back over the contract saga. It's fallacy borne in the papers.
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I think you're probably right but there is a part of me that wouldn't put it past SAF. He does seem to be a person who takes things personally.




gza the genius said:
If Rooney goes and we get a center mid or two and another good striker (I really don't think we'd even need another striker with Welbeck RvP and Chich) we'll be absolutely fine if not better off.
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If we replaced Rooney with a midfielder of roughly equal caliber I reckon it might make us stronger. There is a "heartbeat of the team" factor you can't discount, Rooney has a great attitude on the pitch which we might miss, it'd have to be the right midfielder. But yes, I agree with your contention, I don't want him to go but if we replaced him maybe it'd be for the best.

It's more a reflection of the need for a midfielder than a snub of Rooney. I think we should be keeping our best players and signing good new ones to complement them.




Redlambs said:
But I think he'd have to go abroad, we can't let City or Chelsea get him.
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Rooney playing for another PL team against us is a sickening thought.
 
Injury plagued season and still produces a goal or assist every other game. He has also filled in in midfield and done well there and it's the hardest position to adapt to.

He's a fantastic player. If you can't see that well you don't know football and don't know sports in general.

He doesn't have great close control and can't glide around players like Messi and Iniesta. But he does have an incredible football brain, can pick out a through ball as well as anyone playing outside of Spain, he can play one-touch football extremely well, he can hit a cross field pass almost as good as Paul Scholes, he has turned into a deadly finisher inside the box with intelligent runs and instincts and is also one of the best headers of the ball who isn't a giant.

Years down the road Rooney will be viewed right up there with Cantona but with better stats and more trophies. Think about that for a second.

He makes United a more potent side and would improve almost every team in the world. This is my last post on this matter.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Injury plagued season and still produces a goal or assist every other game. He has also filled in in midfield and done well there and it's the hardest position to adapt to.

He's a fantastic player. If you can't see that well you don't know football and don't know sports in general.

He doesn't have great close control and can't glide around players like Messi and Iniesta. But he does have an incredible football brain, can pick out a through ball as well as anyone playing outside of Spain, he can play one-touch football extremely well, he can hit a cross field pass almost as good as Paul Scholes, he has turned into a deadly finisher inside the box with intelligent runs and instincts and is also one of the best headers of the ball who isn't a giant.

Years down the road Rooney will be viewed right up there with Cantona but with better stats and more trophies. Think about that for a second.

He makes United a more potent side and would improve almost every team in the world. This is my last post on this matter.
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Lol
 
He is a quality player no doubt. And we are stronger with him.

But, if he wishes to repeat the October revolution, then he should be carted off.
 
I mentioned this in the Kagawa thread

I saw on Sky earlier that in the last 4 PL games Rooney has had a total of 3 touches inside the oppositions penalty area compared to 20 touches in the previous four games. That's really something and shows that the withdrawn midfield role is clearly shackling him to a degree when his biggest threat is up in and around the box. Maybe he errs on the side of caution staying back to not risk leaving Carrick isolated but its led to him not affecting the games how he normally does. Despite the fact that he hasn't been awful, it's hardly surprising his impact in the last few games has been so minimal when his touches of the ball in dangerous areas has reduced so drastically.
 
LR7 said:
I mentioned this in the Kagawa thread

I saw on Sky earlier that in the last 4 PL games Rooney has had a total of 3 touches inside the oppositions penalty area compared to 20 touches in the previous four games. That's really something and shows that the withdrawn midfield role is clearly shackling him to a degree when his biggest threat is up in and around the box. Maybe he errs on the side of caution staying back to not risk leaving Carrick isolated but its led to him not affecting the games how he normally does. Despite the fact that he hasn't been awful, it's hardly surprising his impact in the last few games has been so minimal when his touches of the ball in dangerous areas has reduced so drastically.
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Against West Ham he was not playing in midfield - its his own choice to come back that deep to get involved in the game.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Against West Ham he was not playing in midfield - its his own choice to come back that deep to get involved in the game.
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Probable because it would have left Carrick in a one man midfield considering where Jones was
 
anver said:
He is a quality player no doubt. And we are stronger with him.

But, if he wishes to repeat the October revolution, then he should be carted off.
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A part of me wonders if he's struggling to cope playing second fiddle to RVP. Some believe he's still the main man, but from what I remember when he got injured against Fulham and was out for a few weeks, he was as good as a forgotten man. Now we have people saying Kagawa can play his role as good as, if not better than Rooney.

Now the 2010 scenario in public was Rooney opposing to a lack of ambition and 'world-class players' and now according to some, we've got two who are as good as if not better than him in the two positions he plays best.

Obviously it was always about money, but if he was to pull a similar strop he would go down as the biggest cock in football. Just needs his ego tickling a bit and he'll be back to his best...some footballers need that every two or three years to maintain a level of performance.
 
Andrew~ said:
You really have to be joking on this one...
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He might not be, only a few years ago he was rated as a clear number 3 behind Messi and Ronaldo. If he put his head Down and goes back to that leverl for 3 years, he will be rated as a better player than Cantona.

A more influential player, no, a better player, yes!

Just for mention, Cantona will forever be the king for me.
 
Cantona was talismanic and inspired a young team to the Double in 1996. Could Rooney be that kind of figure? Still not sure, personally.
 
gza the genius said:
I'm not going to speculate at all on whether or not Rooney will be sold but the idea that he can't be replaced is ridiculous. When have we ever replaced like for like? If Rooney goes and we get a center mid or two and another good striker (I really don't think we'd even need another striker with Welbeck RvP and Chich) we'll be absolutely fine if not better off. The only reason we're as reliant on Rooney as we currently are is because we're short on quality in the center of the pitch and Rooney can cover most of that area, get a midfielder or two in and that won't be necessary anymore.
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So in a certain way he cannot be replaced directly, not being replaced doesn't mean the team overall gets weaker if different players are acquired is my point.
 
duffer said:
It's worth remembering that Rooney is still only 27. Cantona was still playing for Leeds when he was 26!
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Of course. As I said, I'm not sure he has it in him to be the kind of catalyst Cantona was for a new generation of United players. If he shows he can over the next 5 years then fantastic for us.

The flip-side of your argument is that we've had a long time to watch Rooney at close quarters, so we have more of a basis to assess what he has in his game and what he hasn't, whereas with Cantona very few football watchers in England had seen much of him while he played in France and for their national team.
 
Rooney's talent is undeniable. I really think this year for some reason Rooney has lost his aggression and anger which made him the player he was previously. We need the nasty Rooney back.

Noods needs to lend him his angry hat.
 
The 'nasty' Rooney will only come back when we play him on his nastiest position. As an out and out striker.

2009/2010 might not have been his best season IMO, but that season displayed the Rooney I think United fans are craving right about now.
 
Shark22 said:
The 'nasty' Rooney will only come back when we play him on his nastiest position. As an out and out striker.

2009/2010 might not have been his best season IMO, but that season displayed the Rooney I think United fans are craving right about now.
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Really? I don't believe the Rooney most of us want is the out and out striker, furthest player on the field, not involved too much in build up play but excelling with great finishing and scoring tons. I think most of us want a little of the young Rooney, running past players, making things happen from a deeper position.
 
Rooney in 09/10 and the second half of 10/11 was the definition of inspirational.

Think back to 10/11 when he scored one of the best goals in prem history, the hat trick against West Ham, outstanding against Marseille, Chelsea and Schalke and then scoring a wonderful goal to equalise vs Barcelona. We may not have won the CL that year but we were against one of the best teams in history. We did however win the PL with Rooney scoring the pen against Blackburn.
 
In the second half of 2010/11, after the whole contract thing and his injury, he was superb. Had such a big role in winning the league, got a goal in the CL final... Didn't really kick on from there, though.
 
He didn't influence our play in the same way but he somehow managed to score 34 goals behind the striker and make up for our main forwards lack of goals.
 
Amir said:
In the second half of 2010/11, after the whole contract thing and his injury, he was superb. Had such a big role in winning the league, got a goal in the CL final... Didn't really kick on from there, though.
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He got his joint best goal scoring return in the following season. He definitely 'kicked on'.

This season has been quite a transition for large chunks of the team, including Rooney, especially with the incoming RvP taking up his role of reliant goalscorer. Rooney has become a utility instead of our main man. It will be interesting to see how he is utilised next season.
 
Andrew~ said:
You really have to be joking on this one...
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Rooney's a better player than Cantona, he's just playing in a much tougher era and gets ridiculously bad press in England. As much as I love Eric (I was born in 1987, so you can imagine just how large he loomed over my childhood) we're prone to overstating his abilities at times.
 
Giggsforever said:
He might not be, only a few years ago he was rated as a clear number 3 behind Messi and Ronaldo. If he put his head Down and goes back to that leverl for 3 years, he will be rated as a better player than Cantona.

A more influential player, no, a better player, yes!

Just for mention, Cantona will forever be the king for me.
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He's never really been a clear no.3 or anything like that. He was in red hot form in 09 and the English media got a bit over excited and wet their pants.
 
In 2011 he came fifth in the Ballon D'or, behind the obvious four, and it was entirely deserved. When people talk about his 'decline' they'd do well to remember that that vote was held about 16 months ago.
 
Andrew~ said:
You really have to be joking on this one...
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Rooney's a better player than Eric. He's certainly more proven in the Champions League and been our main man domestically when the league is of a higher standard than Eric's day. Both underachieved at international level but neither have been fortunate with the circumstances of their own national sides.

Eric was a highly talented player but he's viewed with huge sentiment due to his personality, charisma and the fact he was the key to winning the league after 26 years without a title. Eric has his own unique and incomporable story and place in United history but comparing them as players and accomplishments and Rooney has done more and he's only 27.

Eric will always be viewed with greater admiration and respect because, well, he's Eric Cantona and Rooney tarnished his reputation with the contract bust up.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
Who do you think is better at picking out a through ball outside of Spain?

Considering that statement either means the Spanish national side or the Spanish league, it's not the most outlandish of claims.
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It's a laughable claim. It's not one of Rooneys strengths at all.
 
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