Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Those average positions seems mental, genuinely can't get my head around what is going on in that graphic. It's wierd because Rooney doesn't look deep enough to be partnering Carrick. If you compare his position to the Stoke game I am sure in the latter he would be much closer to Carrick as he was clearly playing in centre mid. Whereas against West Ham it looks like niether him or Jones had a specific role.

Moving Kagawa into the hole instead of Jones, with Rooney partnering Carrick is something I'd be interested to see and would surely have been a better option than sticking Jones there. He just looked lost.
 
johnmufc said:
I did type a long post suggesting that Ferguson's infatuation with van Persie is alienating our other forwards, but I decided against submitting it. But when a manager describes a performance like van Persie's against Manchester City as 'absolutely fantastic,' the other forwards simply do not have a fair chance.

Likewise, posters are scared to criticise the Dutchman, but Rooney is slaughtered after every average or below average game.
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It's his own fault for looking like shrek next to the sexy Van Persie... :drool:
 
wr8_utd said:
Yeah how dare he defend one of our best players who's getting OTT abuse and criticism as always as compared to Golden boy RvP.
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:lol: It really is pathetic how defensive you get and how you always have the need to bring RVP up.
 
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Poor technique.
 
From the PC thread:

- SAF On Wayne Rooney's future: "I couldn't tell you about new contract talks... I don't think there is anything in it [the PSG link]."
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SAFs choice of words there is interesting. A few weeks ago it was "Rooney will be here next season you have my word on that" and now he's skirting round the questions in a very un-SAF-like vague manner

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Usually he is adamant in denying stories like that even when they are true. That is a slightly strange comment but he's been getting questions about Rooney for a few weeks now and every other time it was a definitive 'Rooney is staying' answer so I don't think there is anything in it
 
Ferguson has also said the reason why he hauled Rooney off was because Kagawa was playing better in that position. But then he took Kagawa off as soon he created the 2nd goal. It just didn't seem to add up, taking off two creative midfield forces to bring on a striker. How is the striker meant to get the ball if there's no playmaker to provide it.

Rooney wasn't at his best, but he pretty much had to plug the gap left by the wildly erratic Phil Jones playing up front.

To be honest, all these individual threads for criticising players seems a little harsh, as I think the team as a whole is playing very poorly, so it's very difficult for one player to stand out amongst the laborious style of football we are playing at the moment. Getting dumped out by Madrid really kicked the stuffing out of us. It seems unlikely we are going to hit form this season again. Looking forward to regrouping over the summer and getting this all over with.
 
"I don't think there is anything in it".

Not exactly putting the rumour to bed like he did a few weeks ago. Of course that doesn't mean anything.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Looking forward to regrouping over the summer and getting this all over with.
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It really disappoints me when fans make comments like this. I'm not one of these who want to pretend everything is perfect either, but we are on the verge of winning a 20th title by a decent margin too if we stay on track. To want to just "get it all over with" seems so so spoiled. I appreciate we aren't playing electrifying football every game, and the attacking performances have turned into professional ones, but seriously, every single one of the 19 other teams in the league would jump at the chance of being where we are and even playing how we are.

In regard to your comment on the Kagawa substitution SAF said we'd probably have won the game if he didn't take Shinji off but he'd already handed in the card to the 4th official so I think he retrospectively realises it wasn't the best idea.
 
Brwned said:
Poor technique.
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TBF Brwned, I think that when we refer to 'poor technique' with this level of player, it is more that their technique deserts them rather than a fundamental lack thereof. I think that Rooney's touch has become a lot more inconsistent in recent seasons.
 
Brwned said:
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Poor technique.
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Some people watch Rooney with their preformed ideas that he is going to perform badly, so when he misplaces one pass, or miscontrols one ball they convince themselves it's all he's done all game and don't even see any of the good things he does. There are then those trying to argue its all hes done all season - or the past 3 seasons in extreme cases. It's beyond annoying.
 
LR7 said:
It really disappoints me when fans make comments like this. I'm not one of these who want to pretend everything is perfect either, but we are on the verge of winning a 20th title by a decent margin too if we stay on track. To want to just "get it all over with" seems so so spoiled. I appreciate we aren't playing electrifying football every game, and the attacking performances have turned into professional ones, but seriously, every single one of the 19 other teams in the league would jump at the chance of being where we are and even playing how we are.

In regard to your comment on the Kagawa substitution SAF said we'd probably have won the game if he didn't take Shinji off but he'd already handed in the card to the 4th official so I think he retrospectively realises it wasn't the best idea.
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I didn't quite mean it in such a dismissive manner. It's been a very good season, and if/when we win the title, it will be triumphant and definitely deserved, as we have been very consistent and resiliant. I'm certainly very excited about that aspect. In terms of our style, tactics and the roles of our players, we look like we're at a loss. Perhaps as some players are on the verge of leaving us, or because we haven't quite figured out how to use some of them to the best of their ability. It will be very interesting to see how we regroup, how next seasons team will be shaped, and what personnel will occupy that team. Right now, it's a bit of a muddle. We have a number of very good players who are underperforming, and it's probably a little late in the day for many of them to get back to their best. I do disagree that it's spoiled to feel desperate to just get over the finish line now, especially as it almost looks sealed, and especially with last seasons collapse always in the back of our minds.

It's certainly been an experimental season, with the use of the diamond, Rooney in midfield, Jones everywhere, fitting in Kagawa where possible. What I mostly meant is that we've recently lacked shape and purpose, with good players just 'fitting in' rather than excelling. I'm very much looking forward to the arrival of Zaha, and possibly one other new face that can give us something we are currently missing.
 
Nobody denies Rooney has good technique, when on form he can pass a ball like not many others.

Its the consistency of his passing range though which is so fustrating. He will hit a 40 yard cross field ball no problems, but make a simple low power 5 yard pass and he under hits it.
 
LR7 said:
Some people watch Rooney with their preformed ideas that he is going to perform badly, so when he misplaces one pass, or miscontrols one ball they convince themselves it's all he's done all game and don't even see any of the good things he does. There are then those trying to argue its all hes done all season - or the past 3 seasons in extreme cases. It's beyond annoying.
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Same also goes for Valencia, and to a lesser extent, Nani.
 
LR7 said:
Some people watch Rooney with their preformed ideas that he is going to perform badly, so when he misplaces one pass, or miscontrols one ball they convince themselves it's all he's done all game and don't even see any of the good things he does. There are then those trying to argue its all hes done all season - or the past 3 seasons in extreme cases. It's beyond annoying.
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You could just as easily argue that others notice a few good touches and passes and forget all the rest.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
I didn't quite mean it in such a dismissive manner. It's been a very good season, and if/when we win the title, it will be triumphant and definitely deserved, as we have been very consistent and resiliant. I'm certainly very excited about that aspect. In terms of our style, tactics and the roles of our players, we look like we're at a loss. Perhaps as some players are on the verge of leaving us, or because we haven't quite figured out how to use some of them to the best of their ability. It will be very interesting to see how we regroup, how next seasons team will be shaped, and what personnel will occupy that team. Right now, it's a bit of a muddle. We have a number of very good players who are underperforming, and it's probably a little late in the day for many of them to get back to their best. I do disagree that it's spoiled to feel desperate to just get over the finish line now, especially as it almost looks sealed, and especially with last seasons collapse always in the back of our minds.

It's certainly been an experimental season, with the use of the diamond, Rooney in midfield, Jones everywhere, fitting in Kagawa where possible. What I mostly meant is that we've recently lacked shape and purpose, with good players just 'fitting in' rather than excelling. I'm very much looking forward to the arrival of Zaha, and possibly one other new face that can give us something we are currently missing.
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I took it as you meaning you can't wait for the season to be over almost as if its been awful (!) but if you meant you can't wait for us to get the points to win the title then that's understandable. I think we all can't wait to have #20 tied up.

A few months ago I made a thread in the newbies about us being a team in transition and I think this season has shown that. There are a few players getting experience and developing into what they will eventually become (Cleverley, Welbeck, Jones, Kagawa and Rafael) and we have tried out a few different tactics/formations which will hopefully give SAF some food for thought on approaches he might look to use next season.
 
Zen86 said:
You could just as easily argue that others notice a few good touches and passes and forget all the rest.
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But who in here has argued that Rooney played really well the other night?
 
I don't expect Rooney to leave this summer, but just thinking about how I would feel if he did leave, I don't think I would be overly upset.

The lack of conviction in Fergie's press conference today didn't really do anything to quash the rumours.
 
ell said:
I don't expect Rooney to leave this summer, but just thinking about how I would feel if he did leave, I don't think I would be overly upset.

The lack of conviction in Fergie's press conference today didn't really do anything to quash the rumours.
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Fergie can't win.

he said before he isnt leaving, and the press, and indeed people here, carry on anyway , 'wouldnt sell them a virus' is probably the most used phrase to justify it around here.

I expect hes just pig sick of it and can't be arsed. I know how he feels.
 
Zen86 said:
I'd hope no one is that blinkered, but it does happen.
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You say it happens but no one came in here to lavish praise on that performance did they? So clearly no one only sees the good touches like you suggest. The people who defend Rooney most in here admitted he wasn't great.

On the other hand though, so many flooded this thread to heap their criticism on Rooney. He wasn't as bad as people make out. He did some things well. Several other players performed poorly and it wasn't a great all round team performance. RvP, Jones and Rio in particular also had poor games, but you will never see the type of vitriol in their threads that recently frequents the Rooney thread.
 
The contract negotiations will be the tipping point. Unless Wayne does a Scholes (makes it plain that he simply wants to stay), it'll be a real tug-of-war between United and Rooney's agent.
 
SteveJ said:
The contract negotiations will be the tipping point. Unless Wayne does a Scholes (makes it plain that he simply wants to stay), it'll be a real tug-of-war between United and Rooney's agent.
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And if it DOES come to that I don't believe for a second the club will take the shaft a second time.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
And if it DOES come to that I don't believe for a second the club will take the shaft a second time.
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Yeah I don't see that happening again.

He just didn't look arsed on Wednesday night for whatever reason, probably more to do with the season being over than contract difficulties I reckon though.
 
If he's willing to take a major pay cut and accept that he's not gonna be one of the first names on the team sheet anymore, then sign him up. If not, cya.
 
Sam said:
If he's willing to take a major pay cut and accept that he's not gonna be one of the first names on the team sheet anymore, then sign him up. If not, cya.
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Posts like this really are nonsense.

He's had a bit of a fractured season, not played in the ideal role at times and not played as an out and out striker at all yet has 12 goals and 9 assists in 24 League games. He's 27 years old and it's the last big contract he has to offer and he's coming up to 10 years service for the club. Lets have a bit of perspective.
 
Pexbo said:
Posts like this really are nonsense.

He's had a bit of a fractured season, not played in the ideal role at times and not played as an out and out striker at all yet has 12 goals and 9 assists in 24 League games. He's 27 years old and it's the last big contract he has to offer and he's coming up to 10 years service for the club. Lets have a bit of perspective.
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He is also nowhere near as indispensable to the club as he used to be. When he shafted us last time he was the main man and the player we really could not afford to loose. Whilst he is still an important and influential player loosing him now would be nowhere near the blow it would have been two years ago, therefore if that scumbag cnut of an agent thinks he is going to get a huge rise on top of what is already allegedly a monumental weekly salary he just might be in for a surprise.
 
He had so many chances to leave United and everytime it ends with him, signing a piece of paper in SAF's office room.
 
I'm not sure who we would realistically replace him with if he left. I doubt we'd be able to get our hands on a superior player. I think Gareth Bale could do the job though, and with Spurs fecking up the CL a per usual, that may be an option if we wanted to stump up £50m or so. Fergie type of signing though, young British superstar just about to take his game to the next level. I'm not that excited with the Falcao idea though, although if he were 24 or so I probably would be more so.

Rooney staying would be the ideal scenario considering what I believe to be gettable options out there.
 
A lot of you are being overly sentimental, especially towards a player who actually contemplated joining City. He's overrated and I hate the fact that many get upset of Rooney receiving criticism. He's the star player and is the highest earner. Obviously he would be held in high expectations compared to the rest of the squad. It's clear as day that he's no longer the player we all thought he would become. He's ridiculously shite in his touches on many occasions and u just don't see such inconsistency in the basic requirements from the likes of Ibra, Xavi, etc.. Play Kagawa, and I am positive nobody would even notice Rooneys absence. We have a brilliant player and yet is criminalizing underrating and underutilizing him.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
He is also nowhere near as indispensable to the club as he used to be. When he shafted us last time he was the main man and the player we really could not afford to loose. Whilst he is still an important and influential player loosing him now would be nowhere near the blow it would have been two years ago, therefore if that scumbag cnut of an agent thinks he is going to get a huge rise on top of what is already allegedly a monumental weekly salary he just might be in for a surprise.
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Nobody is saying he is indispensable, suggesting we should force him to a major pay cut and accept he isn't first choice on the team sheet is nonsense though.

No player in their right mind should expect to get a lesser contract at the age of 27. He's still a fecking good player and we'd be worse off without him so rather than partaking in careless posturing we'd do well to give him a contract that goes in line with his ability and his service to the club thus far.

Contrary to what people think, he's not going to be easily replaced at all. He's the ultimate squad player who can play any role in the middle and final third. We'd be daft to think signing another top class striker would replace his contribution over a season in the League and Europe.

With no International Tournament this summer, he'll be back in good time for a pre-season and will hopefully have a good year next year.
 
SittingBull said:
A lot of you are being overly sentimental, especially towards a player who actually contemplated joining City. He's overrated and I hate the fact that many get upset of Rooney receiving criticism. He's the star player and is the highest earner. Obviously he would be held in high expectations compared to the rest of the squad. It's clear as day that he's no longer the player we all thought he would become. He's ridiculously shite in his touches on many occasions and u just don't see such inconsistency in the basic requirements from the likes of Ibra, Xavi, etc.. Play Kagawa, and I am positive nobody would even notice Rooneys absence. We have a brilliant player and yet is criminalizing underrating and underutilizing him.
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How do people decide they know these types of things?
 
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