Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Cold_Boy said:
Ignore him.

Or he will ban you for disagreeing with his opinion.
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Just so we're clear, I would never ban anyone for disagreeing with my opinion. This place would be incredibly dull to me if nobody ever disagreed with my opinion. Never have banned someone for disagreeing with me and never will.

Apart from WUMs in the newbies, I think I've only ever banned one person. That was for persistently entering threads in which I'm posting with a snidey comment about me which had nothing at all to do with the discussion at the time.

Who was that now?

Oh yes, it was you. Cheerio.
 
Cina said:
We may have tried to, but Phil Jones not knowing where to stand on a football pitch sort of made us not play it in the end.
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:lol: Jones what the actual feck. That's worse than I can remember. Second striker...I mean really?
 
Cold_Boy said:
Imo Rooney's best position is actually striker not behind one as he is the most consistent there.

Behind the striker he can be really inconsistent these days.
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Based on this season, I'd say Rooney's best position is on the left in a 4-2-3-1, although he's hardly played as a striker so it's difficult to judge how badly his play there has declined.

He has been fairly poor all season in the 'off the striker' role, he's just lacking sharpness in his all-round game and energy in his play to do that pivotal job to the standard required.

I think if his standards continue to slip our fans should get comfortable with the idea that he may not be central player for us going forward, and based on this season he isn't consistently good enough to rely on anymore.
 
I didn't get to watch the match. But one explanation of Jones' average position might be that he was told to close down the West Ham defensive mids to stop them from playing a quick long ball.

SAF did something similar against Liverpool last year when Jones was told to man mark Adam and Jones ended up as our more advanced midfielder.
 
Hectic said:
feck me John, where are the usual hysterics? You've done good this time to contain yourself given the amount of criticism he's had.
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I did type a long post suggesting that Ferguson's infatuation with van Persie is alienating our other forwards, but I decided against submitting it. But when a manager describes a performance like van Persie's against Manchester City as 'absolutely fantastic,' the other forwards simply do not have a fair chance.

Likewise, posters are scared to criticise the Dutchman, but Rooney is slaughtered after every average or below average game.
 
Freak said:
Pogue in defending rooney ( when the isn't any defending to do) shocker.
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Yeah how dare he defend one of our best players who's getting OTT abuse and criticism as always as compared to Golden boy RvP.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I didn't get to watch the match. But one explanation of Jones' average position might be that he was told to close down the West Ham defensive mids to stop them from playing a quick long ball to Carroll.
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I was thinking about that but it would only make sense if it's someone like Pirlo or Alonso who can ping the ball 40 yards and land it on a sixpence.

If you're just trying to prevent big hoofs up the pitch you'd have to find a way to shut down all four defenders and the keeper too.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I didn't get to watch the match. But one explanation of Jones' average position might be that he was told to close down the West Ham defensive mids to stop them from playing a quick long ball.

SAF did something similar against Liverpool last year when Jones was told to man mark Adam and Jones ended up as our more advanced midfielder.
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Rooney could've done that job. It's hardly that much of an important job that it warrants playing a CB at CAM. I don't know what happened with Jones and Rooney last night, but it was crazy. Are we sure that SkySports average position photo is accurate? It has me baffled to be honest.
 
BD94 said:
Rooney could've done that job. It's hardly that much of an important job that it warrants playing a CB at CAM. I don't know what happened with Jones and Rooney last night, but it was crazy. Are we sure that SkySports average position photo is accurate? It has me baffled to be honest.
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A lot of our tactics and subs were crazy really last night and Jones starting and finishing the match despite doing nothing, one of the most crazy ones.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I was thinking about that but it would only make sense if it's someone like Pirlo or Alonso who can ping the ball 40 yards and land it on a sixpence.

If you're just trying to prevent big hoofs up the pitch you'd have to find a way to shut down all four defenders and the keeper too.
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It makes little sense, but SAF did do it against Charlie fecking Adam last season. So who knows. He makes odd decisions from time to time.

We've been burned by the "big man upfront" before. So it could just be SAF minimizing the number of duels the defenders have to deal with.
 
Apart from anything else, I don't actually remember Jones making any tackles, which is weird if his main role was to shut someone down.

That's the strangest thing about his performances in a three man midfield. If he was running around kicking people (which is something he should be well capable of doing) he might actually be quite effective but he doesn't seem to get stuck in at all.

Even stranger is the fact that he's actually been quite decent/influential when he was paired with Carrick in a midfield two.
 
wr8_utd said:
Yeah how dare he defend one of our best players who's getting OTT abuse and criticism as always as compared to Golden boy RvP.
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Did you watch the match? Hardly OTT, he was fecking DIRE, I could have done better, and RvP Was Gash as well. They should both be dropped.
 
johnmufc said:
I did type a long post suggesting that Ferguson's infatuation with van Persie is alienating our other forwards, but I decided against submitting it. But when a manager describes a performance like van Persie's against Manchester City as 'absolutely fantastic,' the other forwards simply do not have a fair chance.

Likewise, posters are scared to criticise the Dutchman, but Rooney is slaughtered after every average or below average game.
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John, you are a changed man, you seem so much more in control of your emotions. I am impressed. I'd agree he wasn't fantastic, at all, but I doubt Fergie has some weirdo man-love for him that stops him from appreciating or considering his other players, it was probably a confidence boost for his drought in front of goal.

I don't think it's that. Given it is his first season, he is our top scorer and has in general an excellent attitude etc these are all things that certainly play a big part. He is not exempt from criticism, this and his own thread show that, he just gets less of it because it is his first season here, and overall, it's been a very good one. I don't think you will find any people who will argue he hasn't had a poor spell, and a long drought in front of goal, but in the context of the whole season it's still been a great one. He's been integral to our title challenge and I think people tend to remember that. Wayne, perhaps unfairly, receives more criticism because there is no leeway afforded now - he has been here for nearly a decade, there is a higher level of expectation and so there should be, he doesn't have the luxury of saying it's his first season here. If Van Persie has a similar spell of poor form next season (I didn't think it was as bad as being made out, but his goals definitely dried up) then I'm sure there will be far more said about it.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Did you watch the match? Hardly OTT, he was fecking DIRE, I could have done better, and RvP Was Gash as well. They should both be dropped.
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I already last night that he was really poor but some of the reaction really has been OTT but that's the norm really when it comes to Rooney post 2011.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You seem to have got things the wrong way round. I don't consider myself part of enlightened minority. I think the vast majority of United fans have always appreciated what Carrick brings to the table.

It's only a vocal minority that have struggled to grasp his qualities until it's so bloody obvious they've no choice to admit they might have been wrong with all the bollox about how he'll never be good enough for United and should be sold.

As for your quip about managers. Fergie never saw any need to replace Carrick and consistently picked him for all our biggest games. He seems to share the opinion of your imaginary "chosen few" and he knows a bit about football management.

Moving back on topic, I also think that it's only the idiot fringe who don't think Rooney is a really top class footballer.
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Bit harsh I reckon. I mean, it has become 'so bloody obvious' because he is performing very well at present, and at least his doubters are now crediting him in light of it.

I would imagine the periods where his quality was not so obvious was when there was more debate about his level. Let's not pretend Carrick has not had a very fair share of poor perfomances in recent seasons because he is playing excellently now.
 
I seem to keep commenting on your posts for some reason, all in good spirt of course!
 
Rooney had a better game than Rvp yet he's the one that gets subbed off at the 70th minute mark.

Rooney is the "heartbeat" of this united side yet he was the one who got dropped for what was probably our biggest game of the season.
 
I've attempted to keep out of this thread for my own sanity but Rooney deserves some stick IMO. His form has been absolutely all over the place for the last 3 years but this season in particular he's really struggled.

I don't know what the issue is (fitness, mental etc) but he needs to sort himself out.

He used to be undroppable but that's far from the truth these days, which says it all really.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
His form has been all over the place for 3 years? Really ?
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For a top player, yes. He's still been generally brilliant for us but over this last few years in particular he has gone through more frequent slumps than he used to.

EDIT: This season in particular he's been wildly inconsistant. You generally don't know which Rooney you're gunna see from 1 game to the next.
 
Roo has had hot and cold spells, like he does every season. He's in a cold spell again. Frustrating as he'll, but that how it's been with him over the last decade.

I'm okay with cutting the cord this summer, but ONLY if we bring in the finished product and a diamond in the rough.

My wank, muppet call would be Ronaldo (or Bale, if we can't bring in Ronaldo) and Ross Barkley. Bring Fabio back, too.
 
Drogba, Tevez and RVP have all been 'hot and cold' at times.

Drogba was actually pretty shit for an entire season.
 
Hectic said:
I don't think it's that. Given it is his first season, he is our top scorer and has in general an excellent attitude etc these are all things that certainly play a big part. He is not exempt from criticism, this and his own thread show that, he just gets less of it because it is his first season here, and overall, it's been a very good one. I don't think you will find any people who will argue he hasn't had a poor spell, and a long drought in front of goal, but in the context of the whole season it's still been a great one. He's been integral to our title challenge and I think people tend to remember that. Wayne, perhaps unfairly, receives more criticism because there is no leeway afforded now - he has been here for nearly a decade, there is a higher level of expectation and so there should be, he doesn't have the luxury of saying it's his first season here. If Van Persie has a similar spell of poor form next season (I didn't think it was as bad as being made out, but his goals definitely dried up) then I'm sure there will be far more said about it.
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Agreed with this. Young player, new signing, and new to the league player are all should get a leeway on their first couple of years at United. Just as long as they put some effort on the field there, performance isn't the be and all for them.
 
The problem is both RVP and Rooney have looked really leggy of late.. as if they're not dynamic enough to make an impact on games. When you compare them to the likes of Falcao, Ronaldo's, Messi's and Aguero's/Suarez i.e. star players of other teams, they don't seem as electric.

Van Persie did look electric at the start of the season but looks very labored at the moment, which is worrying considering his age.. but one hopes next season he'll adjust and Rooney has time and time again proven to be someone who finds it difficult to stay in optimum shape due to being injury prone. Both are not physical thoroughbreds and it shows to be honest, in terms of talent.. both top notch but for me its their physical state which hampers their performances at the moment.
 
Cina said:
We may have tried to, but Phil Jones not knowing where to stand on a football pitch sort of made us not play it in the end.
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Bloody hell. Why? Just why? Who on earth thought that tactic was a good idea and why didn't we do something to change it?
 
humdinger said:
Bloody hell. Why? Just why? Who on earth thought that tactic was a good idea and why didn't we do something to change it?
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Apparently Sir Alex did (shocking really) and he did change it, took off Rooney and then Kagawa while leaving Jones on :lol::lol:
Bit of a ridiculous decision that, taking off 2 of our best and most creative players (although Rooney played poor, he's still much more likely to score then Jones is, and taking Kagawa off was just plain stupid IMO).
 
bosnian_red said:
Apparently Sir Alex did (shocking really) and he did change it, took off Rooney and then Kagawa while leaving Jones on :lol::lol:
Bit of a ridiculous decision that, taking off 2 of our best and most creative players (although Rooney played poor, he's still much more likely to score then Jones is, and taking Kagawa off was just plain stupid IMO).
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Rooney was playing like absolute shite to be fair but yes, I was surprised to see Jones stay on in that position.
 
Carl said:
Rooney was playing like absolute shite to be fair but yes, I was surprised to see Jones stay on in that position.
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Even though he was shite, wouldn't it just make sense to either take Jones off and move Rooney to his more preferred position or if we're taking him off, move Kagawa to the middle and keep him there? I wasn't too shocked to see him come off but I was surprised at Kagawa coming off, considering he set up both goals. Didn't make much sense to take him off and keep Jones on.
 
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