Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Won't bother defending him tonight because he really was atrocious. He really needs to play upfront and get some goals though because this messing around isn't helping him or us.
Yes I agree about RVP but why cant we play with two strikers? after all we are supposed to be playing 442 most of the time arent we?
I'd say it's more a 4411, though Rooneys depth varies a fair bit, today he was quite deep at times, against City I thought he played high, too high. I don't really think you can play 442 in many games anymore tbh. But either way 442 or not its Rooneys alround game that costs him leading the line imo. He's just far more prone to loosing the more basic aspects of his game than RVP is.
I think it was a case of buying Kagawa with the intention of doing just what I poste above, but then Van Persie became available, and you cant turn that down. Its frustrating though as you can't play the three of them in a team without compromising the effectiveness of one of them.
The year after Ronie left he finally played as a forward striker again and was immense, then came pea and Welbeck and now RVP and we seem to be experimenting with him again and he doesn't seem to be enjoying it that's all I'm saying, and its always him that gets shifted about for Ronaldo then and for RVP now.
That was at least as bad as Nani against Chelsea. Rooney was egregious today, absolutely horrible. I can recall a couple of long passes that were good, in particular that one to RVP, but other than that he was horrendous. He gives away the ball on so many occasions that Giggs' brainfart against City seems like a comical anecdote whilst discussing Rooney of late. This is no knee-jerk either. I'm just sick and tired of too many people defending him these days. I know his stats are great, and I'm the first on to appreciate him for that, but his build-up play is so bad, and his short passing so atrocious, that one would think he had been out of the game for years. Imo, he should be dropped for the next couple of games and Kagawa should probably get the chance behind the striker.
Surprised that after all these years United fans aren't used to Rooney's cyclical form. The bonus for us now is we can afford to drop him when he's playing poorly. Welbeck can do the marking job on the deep-lying midfielder, RVP can do the lone man and Kagawa can be the creative midfielder. I really hope all this motivates Rooney, his first touch can be so frustrating. Quality player still.
Wonder if he is under instruction from Fergie, or is doing it himself.
The constant coming deep is hindering our play going forward in my opinion. It leaves RvP isolated on his own and means we end up with more players behind the ball that in front of it when going forward. He often drops deep when things are going his way to try and see more of the ball when he would be better suited staying up top. It was no coincidence we had a better final spell in the game when Hernandez came on as he stayed up top and actually stretched their defence, also giving van Persie someone to play off.
The constant coming deep is hindering our play going forward in my opinion. It leaves RvP isolated on his own and means we end up with more players behind the ball that in front of it when going forward. He often drops deep when things are going his way to try and see more of the ball when he would be better suited staying up top. It was no coincidence we had a better final spell in the game when Hernandez came on as he stayed up top and actually stretched their defence, also giving van Persie someone to play off.
Yes please.
He looked miserable when he came off, very odd performance from him in that it didn't at least have the commitment and workrate he usually delivers even when having a mare.
Total knee jerk.
Nani had 64% pass completion against Chelsea, Rooney 85% today so he didn't give the ball away nearly as much as you think.
I'm not arguing that he played well either, he lacked impact from so deep but his and Jones' positions were the wrong way round. I think him, RvP and Rio were particularly poor tonight.
I seriously think he's off in the Summer. He didn't look there at all mentally tonight... nor did he look especially arsed.
We've seen bad-day Wayne Rooney before... but this seemed on a different level to me.
We've seen bad-day Wayne Rooney before... but this seemed on a different level to me.
Rooney was really poor tonight but then so was RvP but the latter was lucky enough to be playing in his natural position and a position in which he could score a tap in that would reduce the criticism he faces.
This is his third year in a row in the position behind another striker, saying that he's being played out of position is ridiculous. I think the best he's ever played was when he was behind Chicharito the second half of the 10/11 season and parts of last season when he was behind Welbeck, not the season he was up top. He's just having a poor season form wise, whilst still having good stats.
I agree that I would like to see Rooney up top from now on, but only because I don't think he's been consistent enough this season to warrant being our playmaker. It's all down to Rooney, not Sir Alex playing him out of position.
Another one who thinks stats make a performance...
Too much of that on the Caf these days. Phil Jones had a 100 percent completion rate today yet is getting barracked in his thread on here for being shit and doing nothing.
Rooney was too deep today. That is it. Whether that is due to himself or Fergie it is something that needs to change as it leaves RvP too isolated and effects his form.
If we are playing Rooney deeper then we need to play another CF with van Persie. Simple really. Failing that ensure he stays uptop in a front two. We shouldn't be going to West Ham away with one striker, not in a million years. Effectively thats what he had tonight until Hernandez came on.
He just doesn't looked arsed IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if he's away the end of the season.
Van Persie looked like he actually gave a feck. That factors into the criticism levels too.
He was nowhere near as bad as Nani vs Chelsea. On the ball he wasn't as bad as made out, a few sloppy passes but other than he kept dropping deep giving us an option in midfield and kept himself involved unlike Jones who wasn't on the ball much. The problem was that Rooney wasn't a threat playing as deep as he was. Is that his fault or a tactical fault?
Poor defending for West Ham's second goal but again what do you want him to be? Attacker, midfielder and defender?
Poor defending for West Ham's second goal but again what do you want him to be? Attacker, midfielder and defender?
I didn't see that at all. Only Carrick made more passes and his passing % was better than average at 85%. That's higher than what it was in the Stoke game everyone was raving about. Nani's was 64% and I don't think he created anything. Rooney was involved in a couple of nice moves in that inside left channel which could've easily led to a goal, Nani had one decent shot and that's it. Worlds apart IMO. I actually thought that was what people wanted from Rooney in a deeper position - more conservative, consistent, reliable passing. He was confident in tight spaces and always looking to drive forward but happy to keep things simple and retain the ball. I'd rather he worries less about ball retention myself. He just spends half the time arsing about making pointless passes. Though I think Kagawa can take some of the blame for that.
You're taking my post in isolation without looking at what I was responding to.
I simply showed Rooney didn't give the ball away nearly as much as was assumed.
I also stated I don't think he performed well along with RvP and Rio. But Phil Jones playing behind the striker and Rooney deeper was baffling an so it's unsurprising he lacked real impact.
Also in what world did Phil Jones have 100% pass completion?!
http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/61...r-League-2012-2013-West-Ham-Manchester-United
No passion or drive in his game. Way too deep (may be an instruction from the management), and very slow. Have no real idea what he was meant to be doing today, or the past few weeks.
So he was good in the previous game and rubbish tonight? Yup that sounds exactly like Rooney. Our best player my arse.
His play reminds me of Ruud in the spring of 2006. He knows he is gone in the summer.
Rvp was really poor? He scored a goal and his overall game was fairly good (not great). Rooney was piss poor.
Don't understand it. Even if I was leaving, I'd still be well up for playing and winning the league! If.
Is this his 2nd full game for us after his injury? i will give him the benefit of a doubt that he will regain his form again and it has to be soon
I wont go so far to say he had an aweful game. It was bad in patches, he lost the ball in some areas and sprayed the ball across the field with ******. Overall im sure he would hold his hand up and say i didnt play as well as i can.
He had a very poor game last night, but some of the comments in this thread... 
If he is headed anywhere, it will most probably be to Barcelona.
I think Real Madrid might be interested as well.
He'll be a subs for Messi if he goes to Barca
Thinking about it, he can effectively take the place of Villa on the left.
But Rooney playing tiki-taka,
But Rooney playing tiki-taka,
His passing and first touch are too erratic to fit into the possession style of Barca. If he goes there, he will have one role only, up top as the striker to play off and finisher.
He's gonna play centre back there
Rooneys fitness seems an issue as does his confidence. Everyone said him and rvp were the golden strike force but u could always see egos being dented there. Wayne needs to get his ass in gear and start playing like he loves this club again and not just a passenger. Would I sell him and get bale - yes
Football isn't maths, which is why Leon Britton isn't the best midfielder in England.
Let's be totally dispassionate. Rooney has been poor this season, and it has been marked recently.
Therefore, bench him for the rest of the season. It's the perfect opportunity to let Kagawa play No. 10.
Therefore, bench him for the rest of the season. It's the perfect opportunity to let Kagawa play No. 10.
I am not sure he would fit into the Barca style.
Would break almost all of their attacks.
Would break almost all of their attacks.
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