Wished he had performed like last year there. He really took over when we went down 2-0 and won the game for us.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I thought Van Persie was worse tonight. Rooney was shit, RVP was shitter
Only if we let him play were he enjoys playing.
Everybody loved the idea of Rooney in midfield after the Stoke game but after a shit performance today in a much more free role suddenly Sir Alex's positioning of him is the problem?
Well I dint, Jones is another example of a player being played out of potition, and so is Giggs to be honest, we need to play midfielders in the midfield.
But that's my point, if you're the best in your position at a club then you'll play in your best position. Over the years Rooney hasn't always been the best player in his position or so good he couldn't be moved (whilst still being arguably the most important). This year for me RVP has shown himself the better lead striker and thats why he plays as the most advanced role.
Well he's only played a handful of games in central midfield, a lot of his out of position games coming out wide where we've tended to have a good variety of players over the years. But like I said do you think we'd consider moving RVP there when he could probably do just as good a role, if not better as he's probably got better ability to beat a player.
It's not to say Rooney isn't a good player, he's an excellent player but personally just as much as his versatility has made him be switched around I think when faced with some of the other top players the club has seen in recent years in the likes of Ronaldo and RVP he's not shown enough over them to suggest his natural game couldn't be sacrificed to get the best out of there's.
He is being asked to play deeper and deeper after failing to provide as a left winger, but before all that he was a world class striker, which is why I think we should have bought and sold players keeping that in mind.
He didnt fail as a left winger when we had Ronaldo here.
Somebody posted it the other day but after that performance I feel we need to remind ourselves of how good he can be (hopefully not 'was')
Rooney gets played out of position for a simple reason,
He is not good enough to lead the line for us but perhaps too good to leave on the bench.
I personally hope he leaves in the summer.
He is not good enough to lead the line for us but perhaps too good to leave on the bench.
I personally hope he leaves in the summer.
But he's played in the hole plenty of times this season for us, a position which is arguably his best and its not like he'd had a bad season but personally from what I've seen I can understand why its RVP whos chosen to lead the line and not Rooney, when they could quite easily swap. Similarly I can see why at times Rooney has been subbed to let Kagawa go in the hole or even Welbeck against Real. Because of this he becomes open to being shifted around, other players whilst maybe not being better all round players than him are able to bring certain qualities that he isn't and in some games we need that.
What? of course hes good enough, Rooney and RVP with a proper midfield behind them (not our current midfield including wingers) is one of the best striker partnerships I can think of.
I don't get what you mean? We have wingers and if we like someone on the left what does Rooney playing deep have to do with it?
He is definitely good enough to lead the line (09-10) but not good enough to play in the hole anymore. He's not dynamic enough to play there anymore.
I think it all comes down to having a very mediocre midfield and equally bad wingers this season, if we had wingers that dont just cross the ball and creative attacking midfielders to support Rooney and RVP so that he didnt have to keep on going deep to get the ball he would be a completely different player.
He was used as a left winger for almost a whole season in 2011-12 and this year he is being asked to drop deeper and deeper thats what I mean.
Well Rooney is meant to be the main creative guy in the middle, he's the one playing just off the striker, fair play the wingers could do more but centrally Rooney's lack of creativity or inconsistency in his use of the ball has also inhibited us. Also the midfield is by no means very mediocre, it's done well in the majority of games this season. It's not all rooney's fault but I don't think he's blameless in his being shifted around at times, if he was better in his two main roles it wouldn't happen.
You've imagined that.
A big problem we've had recently is that the space between everyone else and Van Persie has been so huge, that we've resorted to hoofing it up to Van Persie as a means of attack. This isn't Rooney's fault, the same thing has happened to Kagawa as well this season, but it has limited Rooney's contribution in the final third and he hasn't really produced anything as an attacker or goalscorer when this happens. In the last few games, he's basically had to become a third central midfielder rather than a second striker.
That was 08/09 where he played a lot on the left
I've yet to see real evidence that Rooney, RVP and Kagawa can be fit into the same team effectively. Hopefully after a settling in season for Kagawa they hit it off next season.
I cant disagree, but just imagine him playing as a striker not in the whole with a young Paul Scholes for example playing behind him and wingers like Ronaldo a young Giggs or even Becks.
Are you insane?
He played on the left wing in many games in 2011 I'm not imagining that, was it 2010?
You are.
He played behind Hernandez in 10/11 and then last season he was our main striker.
Rooney has never played almost a full season on the wing. Not even close. Even when Ronaldo was here it was fairly rare. Games like tonight are the reason that people by so frustrated with Rooney. Completely half arsed.
He's played with great players over the years and he's played with players who have had great seasons but on average his seasons usually go the same way. Right now he's playing with RVP a world class striker who's managing to have a great season despite a dry run and do enough in each game to keep his place both in the team and in his favoured role. I'm not trying to put down Rooney, I'm just saying that whilst a stronger midfield/wingers could have helped him, he himself for whatever reason hasn't always looked his best.
No I'm not he did it on a regular basis during the latter months of Cristiano Ronaldo's time at United I'm just getting the years wrong that all.
All im reading is, ''its not his fault'' ''out of position'' blah blah i dont care if he is playing left back or striker he still should be making simple 10 yard passes on a consistent basis but he is fecking them up on a consistent basis instead. He has had a poor season again and has now just become a good player, rather then the world beater we thought he would become.
Maybe if he worked a bit harder on his game and instead of questioning the clubs ambition which didnt ''match his own'' he may have developed into what we hoped he would. Maybe he thought when he got the big paycheck he didnt have to work as hard??
Maybe if he worked a bit harder on his game and instead of questioning the clubs ambition which didnt ''match his own'' he may have developed into what we hoped he would. Maybe he thought when he got the big paycheck he didnt have to work as hard??
This will sound mad, but if we hadn't have signed Van Persie, and signed a top class winger instead, we'd arguably have been a more balanced team.
looks a very balanced team with everyone in a position that suits them best. Also with Hernandez and Welbeck on the bench, Rooney could drop back to 10 and one of the oter two up top.
But hey, I'm not complaining. How can you when you have Van Persie?
Rooney
Winger-Kagawa-Winger
Cleverley-Carrick
Winger-Kagawa-Winger
Cleverley-Carrick
looks a very balanced team with everyone in a position that suits them best. Also with Hernandez and Welbeck on the bench, Rooney could drop back to 10 and one of the oter two up top.
But hey, I'm not complaining. How can you when you have Van Persie?
Ronaldo played up front a handful of times. Most of Rooney's time out wide has been when he's been shifted out there mid game.
He's becoming too nice, and mature.
Sir Alex made a mistake wanting him settled and have kids.
Sir Alex made a mistake wanting him settled and have kids.
But would RVP been that good this year had he been asked to drop deep all the time? we dont know that. Anyway all I'm saying is that I personally think he looks tired of being played out of position,and I think he is being asked to do that due to lack of creative midfielders.
Maybe that's what United fans were singing 'always the victim' about.
We had two top class wingers in Nani and Valencia, they've just had awful seasons. Also Rooney behind RVP is arguably a balanced attack given Rooney has probably spent the majority of his career playing off a main striker. That said I agree that Kagawa playing centrally might give more balance, problem for Rooney though is with RVP he's not gonna be that main striker unless he really ups his game.
Exactly right. RVP is class. But buying him and Kagawa, when we had Rooney, looks like muddled transfer activity to me. I wouldn't have bought a winger tho, I'd have trusted Nani, Valencia and Young to cover those positions. Someone to go next to Carrick with the rest of the team above. Rooney would be happier I think. And Kagawa for that matter.
I don't know how you can play cracking passes across the pitch (one to Kagawa, and one to RVP) and not be able to play a simple 5 yard ball.
It fecking baffles me.
Got caught in possession a few times too and was generally pretty crap tonight. Although, he wasn't the only one to be honest. Maybe it's contagious?
It fecking baffles me.
Got caught in possession a few times too and was generally pretty crap tonight. Although, he wasn't the only one to be honest. Maybe it's contagious?
My point though is that whilst Rooney may be frustrated at not always being in his favourite postion (again though its debtable whether Rooney is best as the lead striker or in the hole), if he himself was playing better either this season or over the years than we might not have bought RVP, or it could be RVP playing in the hole. Given we've not changed our supporting players, clearly the reason Fergie bought RVP is that he thought he could get more out of him as the main striker with what we have than with Rooney.
He's lost it. The fire is gone.
It's not just a bad patch, he's just properly lazy now.
It's not just a bad patch, he's just properly lazy now.
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