Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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I don't think Ferguson has any grudges, the only impression I've ever got from him is that he loves Rooney, hence why he's had a lot of leeway in the past. I'd be very surprised if there was anything stirring behind the scenes.

He may not have any grudges towards Rooney. However Rooney is one of the highest paid players we've got and under such circumstances he's bound to assess his performance and decide if hes worth keeping him or not expecially when one considers the rumours surrounding players like Falcao and Ronaldo switching clubs next season.

I wont be surprised if Rooney ends up being sold at the end of this season. At his age this is the last occasion for the club to get serious money for him. I also doubt that SAF treats him in the same level of Giggs, Scholes and Gaz (who were allowed to retire at the club)
 
I imagine SAF blames Rooney's agent more than Rooney for the public outburst. That said, SAF never ever forgets...
 
Wasn't Fergie the one that decided to make it public too? I'm guessing that it would've stayed behind closed doors if Fergie wanted it to.
 
He's not even close in terms of wages to the "BPITW", so what's your point?

He was, and possibly still is, Uniteds best player, and most important player, and is paid as such.

Move on Sparky, you've spent far too long gurning about Rooney.

To be fair its not just Rooney, its football in general, I have a real stick up my ass about players on wages they just don't deserve, either by being nowhere near as good as they think they are, being woefully out of form, behaving unprofessionally or being Keiron Richardson. In a perfect world players would be on performance related pay. Played like shit? Sorry mate, no new bently this week, try harder next week.
 
Don't think so. Paul Stretford released a statement to the press about Rooney not wanting to sign a new contract, which is why the shit hit the fan.

Ah right. I had it in my head that SAF said something about having to make it public as the fans were chanting for Rooney to come on which was unfair to the players who wanted to stay at the club.

Edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9104392.stm

Sir Alex Ferguson has revealed Wayne Rooney wants to quit Manchester United.

The Old Trafford boss admitted he was "shocked" and "disappointed" to hear the news but said he had not fallen out with the 24-year-old England striker.

"We are as bemused as anyone can be, we can't quite understand why he would want to leave," said the Scot.

Ferguson said the "door is still open" for Rooney, who will miss Wednesday's Champions League game with Bursaspor after being carried off in training.

The forward suffered minor ankle damage at the end of the session and will sit out the European tie at Old Trafford.

Rooney's future has been the subject of intense speculation over the last few days following reports that he was not prepared to sign a new contract.


His current deal is due to finish at the end of the 2011/12 campaign.

If he does leave then Everton would be in line to scoop a small fortune. The Toffees have a sell-on clause in Rooney's contract which states that they would get 25% of any excess sum over the £27m United eventually paid for the striker.

In an interview with MUTV filmed before he spoke to the media, Ferguson said United chief executive David Gill had told him about Rooney's decision not to sign a new contract back in the summer.

"I was in the office on 14 August and David phoned me to say he [Rooney] wasn't signing a contract," confirmed Ferguson.

"I was dumbfounded. Only months before he was saying he was at the greatest club in the world."

Having learned of Rooney's desire to go, Ferguson requested to speak to the player.

"Dealing with the next step was always going to be decisive for us, how we dealt with the situation," he said.

"I asked to have a meeting with the boy and he reiterated what his agent said, that he wanted to go.

"The one thing I said to him was 'respect this club, I don't want any nonsense from you'.

"I don't know if he has done that. I have doubts on that, we are reading all these things about falling out with me and all that nonsense.

"It's disappointing because we have done everything we possibly can to help Wayne Rooney ever since he came to the club.

"We have always been here as a harbour for him any time he has been in trouble, the advice we have given him. I was even prepared to give him financial advice.

"But it's not just Wayne Rooney, we have done that for all the players. Wayne has been the beneficiary of that, just as Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes have... so there has been no falling out.

Rooney laughs and jokes in training

"So there we are, we have got into a situation where we had to clarify this for our fans because what we saw on Saturday was unacceptable.

"When we got to 2-2 [against West Brom] and they were chanting Wayne Rooney, it's a pressure on the players and didn't do the team any good so we had to clarify the situation and put it right."


Rooney's decision has clearly had a big impact on Ferguson, who signed the player from Everton in August 2004. United paid the Toffees an initial £25.6m for the 18-year-old, a world record fee for a player aged under 20.

"We've done nothing but help him since he's been at this club," said Ferguson, who has not given up hope of Rooney remaining at Old Trafford.

"We cannot quite understand why he would want to leave. No-one can deny this club is one of the most successful in British football.

"We have won 40 major trophies, countless cup finals, have a fantastic history, a great stadium, great training arrangements.

"We don't understand it. I can't answer any questions about why he is doing it. We can speculate. We can have opinions. It won't matter a dickie-bird, simply because the player is adamant he wants to leave."
Wayne Rooney was injured in training on Tuesday
Rooney injured his ankle in training on Tuesday

However, Ferguson added: "I feel that we still have to keep the door open for him, especially as he's such a good player."

Rooney has been a key figure for United, helping them to win the Premier League in 2007, 2008 and 2009 as well as the coveted Champions League in 2008.

He enjoyed a stellar 2009-10 season, scoring 34 goals for his club, although he did not find the net after injuring his ankle in a Champions League game against Bayern Munich in March.

He endured a poor World Cup in South Africa in the summer, failing to find the net in four games, before being hit by a wave of lurid allegations about his private life at the start of the new season.

Consequently, Rooney was dropped for United's Premier League fixture against his old club Everton in September as well as subsequent fixtures, with Ferguson claiming the striker had an ankle injury.

However, last Tuesday, after England's 0-0 draw against Montenegro in a Euro 2010 qualifier at Wembley, Rooney contradicted the Scot's statement and insisted he was fit and had not had an ankle problem.
 
To be fair its not just Rooney, its football in general, I have a real stick up my ass about players on wages they just don't deserve, either by being nowhere near as good as they think they are, being woefully out of form, behaving unprofessionally or being Keiron Richardson. In a perfect world players would be on performance related pay. Played like shit? Sorry mate, no new bently this week, try harder next week.

I assume you get paid on a performance related basis in your job?

You seem to gripe quite a bit about Rooney though, and not so much any other players, as far as this subject is concerned. It seems you haven't been able to let go after "the incident".
 
To be fair its not just Rooney, its football in general, I have a real stick up my ass about players on wages they just don't deserve, either by being nowhere near as good as they think they are, being woefully out of form, behaving unprofessionally or being Keiron Richardson. In a perfect world players would be on performance related pay. Played like shit? Sorry mate, no new bently this week, try harder next week.

The thing is, football is a massive industry that generates stupendous amounts of money for the football clubs. Seems only fair that most of that money goes to the blokes running around on the pitch every week.
 
I think Aint Gota Kalou is right Pogue. There were rumours and stories in all the papers about him moving on, that looked like they'd been leaked by the Rooney camp, but no official annoucement until Fergie made it all public in the press conference for the Champions League tie, a move he got lots of praise for.
 
I assume you get paid on a performance related basis in your job?

You seem to gripe quite a bit about Rooney though, and not so much any other players, as far as this subject is concerned. It seems you haven't been able to let go after "the incident".

No because if I dont do my job properly I get fired. Unfortunately Clubs have too much tied up in players transfer fees, etc for that to be an option.

I make no bones about not liking Rooney, I didn't like him BEFORE the incident and I still don't now. He is a thoroughly unlikable human being and if it wasn't for the fact that he is a very good footballer and contributes to our success I don't think there would be many here that disagree with that.
 
No because if I dont do my job properly I get fired. Unfortunately Clubs have too much tied up in players transfer fees, etc for that to be an option.

:lol:

Rooney is one of the best in the world at his job. That is why he doesn't get sacked.
 
The thing is, football is a massive industry that generates stupendous amounts of money for the football clubs. Seems only fair that most of that money goes to the blokes running around on the pitch every week.

As opposed to some boardroom type absolutely, when they perform. I know its an extreme example but look at the mess Chelsea got into with Bogarde, and how much is Torres on a week despite playing like a spastic in a magnet factory for most of his time there~~~It used to be play poorly, get dropped, but with players egos and agents stirring the shit and the apparent worthlessness of contracts these days there are no consequences to not being up to standard, and for most footballers the best solution would be to hit them in the pocket.
 
No because if I dont do my job properly I get fired. Unfortunately Clubs have too much tied up in players transfer fees, etc for that to be an option.

I make no bones about not liking Rooney, I didn't like him BEFORE the incident and I still don't now. He is a thoroughly unlikable human being and if it wasn't for the fact that he is a very good footballer and contributes to our success I don't think there would be many here that disagree with that.

I like him. I don't see all that much dislikeable in him as a human being. He comes across well in interviews as far as I can see, and he seems to be well liked by teammates etc. Any time i've seen "behind the scenes" footage of training or at Carrington he comes across well.

Then again, I only really care about him as a footballer and what he does for the club on field, and how he gets on with teammmates. His personal life is of no concern to me whatsoever.
 
What am I reading here?

Most fans in the world would be happy to have Rooney in their team. We have fans here who think he's lost pace, and it's United's last chance to earn money? Rooney was never the fastest. I'm not sure how some people come to the conclusion he has lost pace.
 
I like him. I don't see all that much dislikeable in him as a human being. He comes across well in interviews as far as I can see, and he seems to be well liked by teammates etc. Any time i've seen "behind the scenes" footage of training or at Carrington he comes across well.

Then again, I only really care about him as a footballer and what he does for the club on field, and how he gets on with teammmates. His personal life is of no concern to me whatsoever.

As it should be.

A point that was rammed home when a future legend of the club - who is still playing for the team - was exposed as a serial philanderer.

Can never understand why people want or expect footballers to be morally righteous as well as good at kicking a football.
 
I like him. I don't see all that much dislikeable in him as a human being. He comes across well in interviews as far as I can see, and he seems to be well liked by teammates etc. Any time i've seen "behind the scenes" footage of training or at Carrington he comes across well.

Then again, I only really care about him as a footballer and what he does for the club on field, and how he gets on with teammmates. His personal life is of no concern to me whatsoever.

Thats fair enough, I dont. I happen to think that when the players are under contract to the club, they represent the club on and off the field, and as they know they are under such intense media scrutiny they should be a bit more careful. I know thats an old fashioned point of view and a minority one these days, but thats my opinion.
 
Other top Premiership clubs don't employ Rooney, and their ticket prices are not particularly cheaper.
 
Thats fair enough, I dont. I happen to think that when the players are under contract to the club, they represent the club on and off the field, and as they know they are under such intense media scrutiny they should be a bit more careful. I know thats an old fashioned point of view and a minority one these days, but thats my opinion.

I wouldn't say it's an old fashioned point of view at all, in fact I'd say it's more recent, and to do with the modern day celebrity shite around football. Did anyone care what players got up to away from the pitch 50 years ago? Would it have been news?

Everyone in every walk of life represents the company who employs them, if we're being super critical. What you get up to in your private life is your business and nobody else's. Same goes for footballers.

Personally, I think modern day football fans get too wrapped up in "ownership" of footballers. They aren't role models and shouldn't ever be, they are employed to play football and what they get up to when they aren't playing football should be of no concern to anyone other than their families or partners, unless they are doing things which hamper their ability to perform on a Saturday.
 
I wouldn't say it's an old fashioned point of view at all, in fact I'd say it's more recent, and to do with the modern day celebrity shite around football. Did anyone care what players got up to away from the pitch 50 years ago? Would it have been news?

Everyone in every walk of life represents the company who employs them, if we're being super critical. What you get up to in your private life is your business and nobody Else's. Same goes for footballers.

Personally, I think modern day football fans get too wrapped up in "ownership" of footballers. They aren't role models and shouldn't ever be, they are employed to play football and what they get up to when they aren't playing football should be of no concern to anyone other than their families or partners, unless they are doing things which hamper their ability to perform on a Saturday.

All valid points, but with Rooney it DOES impact his ability to perform, compare his performances around the time he got caught shagging that hooker, the pressure completely screwed his form for months. Unlike your Keanes, Beckhams or Ronaldos etc, who channel off field pressure into improved performances it certainly doesn't have the same effect on rooney.
 
All valid points, but with Rooney it DOES impact his ability to perform, compare his performances around the time he got caught shagging that hooker, the pressure completely screwed his form for months. Unlike your Keanes, Beckhams or Ronaldos etc, who channel off field pressure into improved performances it certainly doesn't have the same effect on rooney.

Or, and this is a novel idea, he was just in a bad spell of form, like all players have, and it had nothing to do with the fact he shagged a hooker.

It didn't seem to bother him that much when the granny shagging story came out.
 
Or, and this is a novel idea, he was just in a bad spell of form, like all players have, and it had nothing to do with the fact he shagged a hooker.

It didn't seem to bother him that much when the granny shagging story came out.

Also possible, I guess we will have to wait until he does it again, we will have enough data for a real comparison then :)
 
I wouldn't say it's an old fashioned point of view at all, in fact I'd say it's more recent, and to do with the modern day celebrity shite around football. Did anyone care what players got up to away from the pitch 50 years ago? Would it have been news?

Everyone in every walk of life represents the company who employs them, if we're being super critical. What you get up to in your private life is your business and nobody else's. Same goes for footballers.

Personally, I think modern day football fans get too wrapped up in "ownership" of footballers. They aren't role models and shouldn't ever be, they are employed to play football and what they get up to when they aren't playing football should be of no concern to anyone other than their families or partners, unless they are doing things which hamper their ability to perform on a Saturday.

I have to disagree. Like actors, singers etc, footballers are now always in the public eye and therefore their 'celebrity' status is unavoidable. Kids watch them at least once a week on TV, they are represented in magazines, club websites, advertising in TV and print and so much more. Like it or not, they are very much in the public eye and therefore role models. This means that their private life will be under 'ownership'.

Footballers know what they are getting into when they sign £100,000+ P/W contracts...
 
I have to disagree. Like actors, singers etc, footballers are now always in the public eye and therefore their 'celebrity' status is unavoidable. Kids watch them at least once a week on TV, they are represented in magazines, club websites, advertising in TV and print and so much more. Like it or not, they are very much in the public eye and therefore role models. This means that their private life will be under 'ownership'.

Footballers know what they are getting into when they sign £100,000+ P/W contracts...

Any parent who allows a footballer to be a role model to their kids needs a slap. Actors and singers shouldn't be role models either. This is something that is badly wrong with society. Celebrity culture is stupid, and having a talent for singing or acting or being athletic and good with a football shouldn't make you a role model. It may well make you an inspiration, a figure who kids should want to aspire to as far as having a talent and putting it to use is concerned, but being good at football should have nothing to do with how you live your private life.

As long as they aren't committing illegal acts, who are any of us to moralise about the actions of anyone in their private lives? I couldn't give a single shit if Rooney has 100 affairs or shags every single woman he ever comes in contact with. As long as it doesn't affect me, what business is it of mine, or anyone elses?
 
Thats fair enough, I dont. I happen to think that when the players are under contract to the club, they represent the club on and off the field, and as they know they are under such intense media scrutiny they should be a bit more careful. I know thats an old fashioned point of view and a minority one these days, but thats my opinion.

You must really hate Ryan Giggs too then, yeah?
 
Any parent who allows a footballer to be a role model to their kids needs a slap. Actors and singers shouldn't be role models either. This is something that is badly wrong with society. Celebrity culture is stupid, and having a talent for singing or acting or being athletic and good with a football shouldn't make you a role model. It may well make you an inspiration, a figure who kids should want to aspire to as far as having a talent and putting it to use is concerned, but being good at fotball should have nothing to do with how you live your private life.

As long as they aren't committing illegal acts, who are any of us to moralise about the actions of anyone in their private lives? I couldn't give a single shit if Rooney has 100 affairs or shags every single woman he ever comes in contact with. As long as it doesn't affect me, what business is it of mine, or anyone elses?

Exactly.

I've shagged a hooker, so why should I expect Wayne Rooney not to do so? If I were on his money I'd be having supermodel orgies on a weekly basis.
 
I have to disagree. Like actors, singers etc, footballers are now always in the public eye and therefore their 'celebrity' status is unavoidable. Kids watch them at least once a week on TV, they are represented in magazines, club websites, advertising in TV and print and so much more. Like it or not, they are very much in the public eye and therefore role models. This means that their private life will be under 'ownership'.

Footballers know what they are getting into when they sign £100,000+ P/W contracts...

This is such bullshit. Is it really people's fault that they are famous? Most rich, successful and famous people are assholes. That's how they get to the top. They are NOT role models. Being in the public eye does NOT make you a role model.

Role models for youngsteres should be much more closer to home. Looking for role models on TV is fecking retarded.

Private life is nobody's concern but the people involved. I dislike Rooney, but to say he has an obligation to behave because he is in the public eye is bullshit.
 
Any parent who allows a footballer to be a role model to their kids needs a slap. Actors and singers shouldn't be role models either. This is something that is badly wrong with society. Celebrity culture is stupid, and having a talent for singing or acting or being athletic and good with a football shouldn't make you a role model. It may well make you an inspiration, a figure who kids should want to aspire to as far as having a talent and putting it to use is concerned, but being good at fotball should have nothing to do with how you live your private life.

As long as they aren't committing illegal acts, who are any of us to moralise about the actions of anyone in their private lives? I couldn't give a single shit if Rooney has 100 affairs or shags every single woman he ever comes in contact with. As long as it doesn't affect me, what business is it of mine, or anyone elses?

I agree 100% with what you are saying, don't get me wrong but I'm discounting should/shouldn't and talking about what is/isn't. Whether it is right or wrong that actors/athletes/singers being perceived as role models is beside the point, the fact is that celebrity culture ensures that they are role models.

There are a million things that happen in the world that shouldn't and vice versa, it's just the way things are :(
 
I agree 100% with what you are saying, don't get me wrong but I'm discounting should/shouldn't and talking about what is/isn't. Whether it is right or wrong that actors/athletes/singers being perceived as role models is beside the point, the fact is that celebrity culture ensures that they are role models.

There are a million things that happen in the world that shouldn't and vice versa, it's just the way things are :(

So what? So the stupid premise of footballers being role models to kids of stupid parents means we should criticise Rooney for being a bad role model even though we all know he shouldn't be one anyway?

That's like telling a cow it's a chicken and being annoyed when it doesn't shit out eggs.
 
I agree 100% with what you are saying, don't get me wrong but I'm discounting should/shouldn't and talking about what is/isn't. Whether it is right or wrong that actors/athletes/singers being perceived as role models is beside the point, the fact is that celebrity culture ensures that they are role models.

There are a million things that happen in the world that shouldn't and vice versa, it's just the way things are :(

That's not besides the point at all. If you think it's wrong then it's the culture you should be criticising, not the footballers.
 
Any parent who allows a footballer to be a role model to their kids needs a slap. Actors and singers shouldn't be role models either. This is something that is badly wrong with society. Celebrity culture is stupid, and having a talent for singing or acting or being athletic and good with a football shouldn't make you a role model. It may well make you an inspiration, a figure who kids should want to aspire to as far as having a talent and putting it to use is concerned, but being good at football should have nothing to do with how you live your private life.

Now THAT Ill agree 100% with.
 
So what? So the stupid premise of footballers being role models to kids of stupid parents means we should criticise Rooney for being a bad role model even though we all know he shouldn't be one anyway?

That's like telling a cow it's a chicken and being annoyed when it doesn't shit out eggs.

That's not besides the point at all. If you think it's wrong then it's the culture you should be criticising, not the footballers.

I was not criticizing Rooney or Footballers. I was saying that the way things are, footballers will be seen as role models because that's how our culture has evolved. I don't agree with this as much as you guys. Growing up, my role models were my parents but with new age media and celebrity culture, footballers are caught up with singers, actors and other celebrities as 'role models'.

Agree with this or disagree with it, you can't deny that that's how things have panned out, which is a sad sad day for such an 'evolved' species.
 
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