Not exactly the same and he did so with the clubs permission but Rooney had his own little mid season holiday around the contract saga when he couldn't be arsed getting himself fully fit after the summer.
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Not exactly the same and he did so with the clubs permission but Rooney had his own little mid season holiday around the contract saga when he couldn't be arsed getting himself fully fit after the summer.
Tevez has his spells at United. However, he was always in Ronaldo and Rooney's shadow. Sir Alex was right fans love a trier, and as fans we judge players more with our hearts than minds.
Spot on Sultan, to me it's obvious, but if you read back in this thread you'll see people moaning that he often looks like he 'couldn't give a damn'. That's not what I see at all.
And I'd probably add Jones to that 'committed to he cause' list too from this seasons performances.
You can also interpret that's him being a winner, and wanted United to improve, and not fall further behind.
Oh absolutely, but when a player criticises SAF in public Im finished with them, Maybe it would be different when SAF retires and we have a normal manager rather than the man who rebuilt and put us back on top of the world after so long.
Or you could interpret it as having a huge ego and thinking himself so far in advance of his teammates. You pays your money etc.....
Except it was for money, not to give the club a kick up the arse. Besides, it comes across more like abandoning ship as soon as things got tough if anything.
Seems to me Sir Alex has not held a grudge. You should watch them together on the MUTV to realise there is no animosity. As fans we need to focus on what goes on the field of play than to second guess staff relationships.
What's wrong with wanting more money from your employers? If as you say it was abandoning ship then why sign a new contract? Surely he would have got more pay from another club.
Ive not got a grudge as such, but if he is going to be demanding bpitw wages then I expect bpitw performances....and more often that not too, we don't see that though.
You're taking the soap opera out of it Sultan.
What happens on the field makes up an ever decreasing percentage of what football fans now discuss.
I don't see it that way. I only ever ask a player gives his best. How much a club pays is not my concern.
I think it does actually. I could watch dressage with my eyes but wouldn't have a clue which horse was doing a better job. That's an extreme example but I would definitely trust the opinion of a professional footballer when it comes to identifying some of the less obvious qualities that another pro brings to his team.
Nothing wrong with wanting more money, but I'm sure you know that's not the issue.
As for abandoning ship, I said it was more like that than him trying to motivate the club.
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He's mental though. All that viagra has starved his brain of oxygen.
He does rate Rooney, mind you:
I would agree in the sense of somebody who's actually played alongside him. None of those players have done that though. Messi is a much better football than Alex Ferguson ever was. Would it make him a better judge of talent?
I'm old school, Pops. I only ever cared about the 90 minutes when I started watching football. Tactics, politics, WAGs, lifestyles, salaries, transfer fees, was not fans concerns. I must say with Sky, and internet I'm as much to blame as the next person for discussing topics which are not our concern.
Depends which footballer.
Some of them are astonishingly thick, and footballer's attitudes and knowledge of their own game (at least in this country) for the most part are extremely questionable compared to professionals in other sports. Half of them don't even know how to look after their own health without needing their club to do it for them. Steven Gerrard, England captain and amazingly gifted footballer, is a midfielder in his 30s and still hasn't figured out how to maintain possession of a football yet...despite spending his career playing with and against people like Xavi Alonso and Paul Scholes. Many footballers are just stupid to the point of blindness.
No idea what this has to do with anything mind (too lazy to read the thread). Thought Rooney was one of the less shit players the other night. Not that this is saying much, but it was a crap performance by pretty much the entire team, as has been the case in every game for a while now. Seems pointless to pick out an individual who if anything looks one of the more frustrated by it.
When fans are being priced out of the game season on season It matters.
a step and a half. So the entirely arbitrary and metaphorical measurement of speed known as a step comes in halves now? And Rooney's only almost a step and a half slower, not quite yet a full step and a half slower? I guess he's about 1.42 steps slower than he was six or seven years ago, yeah?
They aren't related. The club will charge as much as they can get people to pay. What people are willing to pay doesn't increase because the centre forward gets a raise.
He's not even close in terms of wages to the "BPITW", so what's your point?
He was, and possibly still is, Uniteds best player, and most important player, and is paid as such.
Move on Sparky, you've spent far too long gurning about Rooney.
I don't know how you can say there's no relationship between ticket prices and player wages.
So the entirely arbitrary and metaphorical measurement of speed known as a step comes in halves now? And Rooney's only almost a step and a half slower, not quite yet a full step and a half slower? I guess he's about 1.42 steps slower than he was six or seven years ago, yeah?
I'm gone the opposite way.
I don't watch games anymore I just read the life style stories.
So it would seem.
I find it funny when people bring his wages up as a justification as to why he's not as good as he should be, even though nobody has a clue what his wages actually are.
I'm saying there isn't a relationship between player wages and how much people are willing to pay for tickets. If you are running a Premier League club, you are likely a decent businessman. They make their best estimate on what the market (match goes) will bear and they set prices as near the ceiling as possible, while also trying to avoid significant backlash. Whether the leftback is making 50,000 per week or 90,000 per week doesn't come into it.
Yeah, it's no surprise that almost every football manager around was once an professional player. ac9 is talking shit.
From my own experience of playing football, I was just as impressed when playing against a really good player as I was playing with one (although I never played with or against many really good footballers, to be fair!).
Anyway, that's beside the point. I maintain that professional footballers watch the game through much more informed eyes than 99% of the punters on here. They're not flawless at spotting talent but when a player like Rooney gets so much acclaim from so many great footballers I'm much more inclined to go with their opinions than assorted caftards, many of whom are still bitter about contract negotiations
Do you understand that you can lose some pace or explosiveness in a month time or even less?
Rooney's public 'contract negotiations' are just par for the course nowadays, and so his reps can be blamed for that. What I didn't care for was the release of a statement just before United had a CL match. Still, the whole business was just modern football doing its thing, sadly. Not unforgivable by any stretch though.
Holding a grudge (and showing it) towards a player will only encourage him to throw a fit which will contribute in lowering his price by a couple of millions. We've already seen that happen both at OT and beyond.
I am not suggesting that SAF is still holding grudges towards Rooney. No one knows that. I am only talking in general.
Wages are by far the biggest expenditure for most clubs and average increases put pressure on clubs to stump up more money regardless of their desire for profit. No point getting side tracked down this road though.
Eh?
Well, if you break your leg, have a stroke or go down with tuberculosis I guess so...
I'm aware that some footballers lose the pace they once had as teenagers whilst still in their twenties. This is rare, though, and invariably follows on from recurrent muscular injuries (usually to hamstrings). Mickey Owen would be a good example.
Rooney's never had dodgy hammies though. Seems ludicrous to claim he can't run as quick now as he once did, aged just 27. Besides, he wasn't even that quick to begin with.
I don't think Ferguson has any grudges, the only impression I've ever got from him is that he loves Rooney, hence why he's had a lot of leeway in the past. I'd be very surprised if there was anything stirring behind the scenes.
He's lost almost a step and a half, Pogue, just accept it.
Steady on.
Losing that half a step must make it very dangerous walking up and down stairs. Much safer to lose them in multiples of one.
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