Which he deserved?..... So who cares?
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Which he deserved?..... So who cares?
For some people this club is all about goals and trophies. For others, it's also about respect and dignity, and pride in the players you support.
He was in negotiations with the club and decided to try and force their hand by making the club look small and himself look bigger than United (as well as embarrassing his fellow professionals). His agent then fed the papers stories that he was quite happy to join Chelsea/City, again to try and force the issue.
It was worse than the Tevez saga in terms of how the player came off, the difference being that United caved to Rooney.
I wonder what the squad thinks....do "*** say e is a legend"
To be honest, I don't really read much paper bullshit. Because these days it really is a huge outpouring of raw sewerage. So I don't know every little intricate detail.
I personally don't see much wrong with the best player demanding a pay increase by whatever way he wanted to. If in the end he signed and life went on then the outcome is resolved. I think a lot of the resentment is a load of bull from the fans. A product of the spoilt brat mentality of throwing the toys out of the pram at anything they can to try and get on a players bad side.
Judging by some of the comments in this thread alone being downright ridiculous.
So fair play, I don't really know 100% of the story just the black and white and to me that is all that mattered. Wanted a pay increase, actually deserved it, got it and repaid the loyalty to the club and Sir Alex and if he respected him and the situation enough to be professional and move forward then that is all I can ask for.
What a daft statement. Point me to a single post in here putting Rooney above United. Just one. However, I could point you to quite a few vilifying Rooney. How about we support both? Rooney has more than made up for his error with performances, goals and assists on the pitch.
It's difficult because technically all Tevez did was want a contract and when it wasn't offered (or wasn't offered at the pre-agreed amount) decided to sign a contract somewhere else. He is absolutely despised and rightly so. He tried to use the fans as leverage over Ferguson/the board. For me using your status as fan favourite is far, far less damning than using the media. If United didn't cave, Rooney would have almost certainly joined Chelsea or City and that situation would have been 10x worse than Tevez in my opinion.
Personally I think he was cunning in the timing he decided to kick off. Ronaldo had left the previous year and he knew that he was the biggest name. I'd suggest if it happened now we wouldn't have succumbed to his attempt at bullying, with him being arguably our 3rd or 4th most important player, not numero uno. This is why I don't think it is an outrageous suggestion to think that his time could be up. He is arguably no longer worth his salary in terms of importance and I doubt Fergie forgets as he put it at the time: not treating the club with sufficient respect.
Rooney's antics a few years back were bizarre. The whole questioning of the ambition of one of the, if not the most successful club in the world over the last two decades, coming out and contradicting fergie about him having an injury and the fact that it was supposedly City who he was rumoured to be set to join, made it collectively look pretty bad. In addition, I'm not sure exactly when it was, but somewhere around then he went through an abysmal run of form which probably further compounded how people felt about the whole saga.
I wonder if his contract renewal will include a pay cut, and if so do you think he would accept it?
Don't see why there should be pay cut to b honest.
because from here on out he'll slowly decline as a player, he'll get even more inconsistent, and he'll struggle to stay in peak fitness even more than he does now.
I'd say a pay cut is almost inevitable if his next contract is long term. His current deal ends when he is nearly 29 and provided he wants a decent length of contract I can't see us paying a 33 year old the kind of wages he is on. Couple this with the fact that he is nowhere near as vital to the team as he was a couple of years ago and that I'm sure many are worried about how his fitness will drop I'd say it is doubtful.
It all depends on the structure of any deal though. It could be the case that United offer him a 1 or 2 year extension on exactly the same terms and then his next will be the one where he has to take a big hit. I think this is far more likely as I doubt Rooney would accept a pay cut right now.
Well I am guessing he is going to get a new contract towards the end of the next season because you dont want a high profile player such as Rooney going into a new season with less than 12 months left on his contract. I am guessing a two year contract with wages slightly reduced and then less contracts with lesser wages from there on in?
Makes sense.
These are the sort of problems that could see him move away.
Perhaps the board dont want to pay 200k to a player that may only be in his peak for 2 more years?
That's the risks of football. We've seen players can decline before you expect it, continue play at a higher level longer than you expect, or just have an injury/illness ruin their career. Who knows what will happen in two years time.
While what happened with the contract talks a couple of years ago was annoying, I really don't see how this should be anything more than one little line in what could be a 15-year career with us. And I think long term people will see that. I remember there was plenty of outrage towards Rio during his contract negotiations, people were upset with him even years after that. I think most have calmed down since.
So has the Caf decided that Rooney is now officially in decline?
His next contract offer should be no more than 34k a week. I think that's fair for an ageing has-been.
His next contract offer should be no more than 34k a week. I think that's fair for an ageing has-been.
Perhaps not in mental terms, he may be a better player in that sense of being more consistent and clinical, but physically i dont think there is any doubt he is regressing.
He is slower and less agile than he used to be. Who knows in 2 years what he will be like? He is nothing like giggs in terms of body type so i doubt he could go much beyond 34 at the very top.
Fergie loves him at the end of the day, despite what the papers insist. I imagine his next deal will be comfortable enough for him.
I think that's bollocks. I also think Fergie thinks the complete opposite and because it genuinely happened he moved heaven and earth to 'convince him' to stay and did. For all Ferguson's callousness he still has one eye firmly fixed on the club and it's loyalties.
I reckon we should sell him for 15m. City will probably be stupid enough to pay that 
We should also buy back Ronaldo. Rooney will never be forgotten for challenging our ambition. Ronaldo will always be a United legend. Sure he flirted with Madrid for two years whilst with us, but he never challenged our ambition!
We should also buy back Ronaldo. Rooney will never be forgotten for challenging our ambition. Ronaldo will always be a United legend. Sure he flirted with Madrid for two years whilst with us, but he never challenged our ambition!
I'd agree with you if he was 31 but he's not even 28 yet. Still a few good years before he naturally regresses.
I reckon we should sell him for 15m. City will probably be stupid enough to pay that
We should also buy back Ronaldo. Rooney will never be forgotten for challenging our ambition. Ronaldo will always be a United legend. Sure he flirted with Madrid for two years whilst with us, but he never challenged our ambition!
Well, no, he didn't challenge our ambition, he wanted to move to Madrid because he was a Madrid fan?
Not that I'm a fan of what he did, but he's moved on and always been respectful since.
Wow, I gotta say I love your certainty there
27 (5) games for us this season and he has 28 goals and assists, he has become an end product player. What do you make of that?
Except it was Fergie who went public so none of that stand up.
The Caf is amazing. One day, it is, "Sell Rooney". The next day it changes to, "No, we need to keep him".
Mad isn't it, it's almost like lots of people post, all with different opinions.
Ronaldo wouldn't have dared question our ambition, he'd have been thrown to the lions.
He'll be top quality for a while yet. But it's not unwise to think a 4-5year contract on the current wage would be madness.
The smoking, drinking and the continual talk about his build and needing more time to get fit doesn't give you too much faith about his athletic capabilities!
Some players are athletes first, Rooney is definitely not.
The smoking, drinking and the continual talk about his build and needing more time to get fit doesn't give you too much faith about his athletic capabilities!
Some players are athletes first, Rooney is definitely not.
Ronaldo wasnt a Madrid fan, when he first expressed his desire to leave, following that World Cup and the whole WinkGate thing, he said he wanted to go to Spain, he didnt specifically mention Madrid. The whole "boyhood dream" thing came later to make the demand more palatable, presumably, to justify his desire to leave. But the bottom line is he wanted to play for a big Spanish club because he saw it as a step up in his career.
Anyone who thinks Rooney did something somehow more disloyal or unforgivable than Ronaldo is kidding themselves. You might think Rooney is past his best or not worth his wages, disinterested or just not suitable for our system, fair enough it is all opinions. But holding the contract stuff against him is facile, this is what modern day football is, Keane went through it, even SAF himself had a contract dispute with management some years back. OK the Rooney thing was handled quite poorly but that was a communication issue, nothing substantive - and it is worth emphasising his criticisms were more or less in line with mainstream views on here about our squad and our seeming lack of ambition at that time.
Anyone who thinks Rooney did something somehow more disloyal or unforgivable than Ronaldo is kidding themselves. You might think Rooney is past his best or not worth his wages, disinterested or just not suitable for our system, fair enough it is all opinions. But holding the contract stuff against him is facile, this is what modern day football is, Keane went through it, even SAF himself had a contract dispute with management some years back. OK the Rooney thing was handled quite poorly but that was a communication issue, nothing substantive - and it is worth emphasising his criticisms were more or less in line with mainstream views on here about our squad and our seeming lack of ambition at that time.
Keane did it at a time we weren't particularly high payers, but stopped short of saying the club weren't good enough for him or not competitive enough!
Having said that, I personally don't hold it against Rooney, as you can't say he doesn't play ina whole hearted fashion and give his best.
We'd certainly bin him off without a moment's notice when we decide he's not for us anymore!
Challenge our ambition? Do you know the team he was playing in? That was the best team in Europe his 2nd last season. We had known won three league titles in a row before he left. There must be something really mental in you if you are ballsy enough to challenge the ambition of that side or question its strength. When he came in we had great players around him and when he wanted to leave, we still had great players in the squad. Its only when he and Tevez left, that are squad was significantly weakened.
Madrid fan my arse. Ronaldo wanted to be considered the best to have ever played the game and didn't think this club was big enough for him to achieve that, so he forced his way out of the club.
How is that not questioning our ambition?
No, he saved those observations for later - and then was thrown out of the club shortly after. So perhaps that wasnt the best example.
But anyway, the point remains, Keane wouldve fecked off if he hadnt been paid what he felt he was worth. Im sure countless other players have been through the same thing behind closed doors, it really is water under the bridge now, quite bizarre that people are still taking it so personally.
Exactimondo.
Oh right, I forgot you have the inside scoop on what he was thinking.
Practically every player from Spain/Portugal wants to go and play for Barca or Madrid. Not that I give a shit either way, he's at Madrid now pulling the same only god knows bollocks anyway.
You're the one who stated with certainty that he was a Real Madrid fan. Care to prove that?
... because those clubs are seen as the biggest in the world and will earn you the most prestige as a player.
Ergo bigger and more prestigious than us.
Not sure how this point contradicts what Chabon said to be honest.
Because Chabon said he wasn't a Madrid fan to begin with. Zen said every Spain/Portugal player are fans of Barca and Madrid.
No you're right, the club he'd recently won the CL and ballon d'or with wasn't big enough for him to become a great player.
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