Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Ainu said:
And why not Rooney? The only constant in our forward line-up for about 10 years now, and still many years to come hopefully. A time that also contains one of the greatest periods in the history of our club. He's been crucial in so many of our trophies over the years. Yes his seasons are often up and down and yes he made that mistake a few years ago, but if you look at the bigger picture of his United career he's been a magnificent player for us. If he stays with us for the majority of his remaining career, I'll definately have him down as a club legend.
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As you've alluded to, I think he has far too medicore games to warrant a status anything close to legendary. We're not talking a few games but pretty much every season you can guarantee months of completely average performance. He certainly sacrifices himself for the good of the team with his willingness to play anywhere is admirable but even his ceiling performances (I think) have decreased in recent years. Although it does him no favours, I see his contract issue as a foolish action, rather than something to 'burn' him with, so it doesn't really come into it.

I'm not saying "sell him", he's been a very big part of our success and at his best, he's an excellent player but for me, there are many players I consider club legends, who've played for us under Fergie that are ahead of him.
 
wr8_utd said:
Same here. He was and will always be my favorite player and losing him was very difficult to take. Remember him not being in the lineup for one of the final games of the season at OT and then him driving away iirc. Writing was on the wall and it was depressing. Tevez hurt quite a bit too but Rooney ever leaving would still not be at par with Ruud's exit.
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Agreed, on every single point.

To tie this back to Rooney, one does sense his "head's gone", to some extent. I'd hate to see him go, but it wouldn't be as hard to take as some of the other United greats -- Stam, Ruud, Beckham, Ronaldo and Tevez -- when they left. What I see is a one of the great players of the game who should be so much better than he is, because you can see it in him -- Wayne Rooney. That bothers me. Still, Roo has been indispensable part of the greats multi-season run in United's storied history. One could argue that without Roo we wouldn't haven't won a single one of those trophies over the last six seasons.
 
izzydiggler said:
As you've alluded to, I think he has far too medicore games to warrant a status anything close to legendary. We're not talking a few games but pretty much every season you can guarantee months of completely average performance. He certainly sacrifices himself for the good of the team with his willingness to play anywhere is admirable but even his ceiling performances (I think) have decreased in recent years. Although it does him no favours, I see his contract issue as a foolish action, rather than something to 'burn' him with, so it doesn't really come into it.

I'm not saying "sell him", he's been a very big part of our success and at his best, he's an excellent player but for me, there are many players I consider club legends, who've played for us under Fergie that are ahead of him.
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Every great player has had his share of mediocre games, and every great player has had lengthy periods of lesser performances. I think it's a pretty useless argument. I'd rather focus on the positive things he's done in his time with us and those are more than enough to warrant a legendary status if he keeps going on for a while. So what if he's not Ronaldo in terms of consistency, not every player has to be. You think Giggs hasn't had those poor runs in most of his seasons?
 
Ainu said:
Every great player has had his share of mediocre games, and every great player has had lengthy periods of lesser performances. I think it's a pretty useless argument. I'd rather focus on the positive things he's done in his time with us and those are more than enough to warrant a legendary status if he keeps going on for a while. So what if he's not Ronaldo in terms of consistency, not every player has to be. You think Giggs hasn't had those poor runs in most of his seasons?
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He's "not Ronaldo" in pretty much every single way apart from in time at the club - he's not even close, so no point comparing the two. In fairness, Ronaldo is an all-time great and few would compare favourably.

I'd agree Giggs has his fair share of poor games but you won't find one person on here saying he isn't a legend, unlike Rooney. It's certainly up for debate and I see the argument for but I don't think so.
 
Ronaldo was only "Ronaldo" for two seasons. Prior to 2006 he was profoundly inconsistent, and in his last season he could only be arsed half the time.
 
He did question United ambition, but with Cristiano Ronaldo sale and money being transfered to Glazers pockets rather then club itself he did have right to raise that question. Everyone on Caf were crying about United not spending money, and he was only one that questioned via public. After talk with Sir Alex he signed new contract, STAYED here and was willing to sacrifice himself for the benefit of the team by playing every postion he was asked to play. Soon he'll become Uniteds top scorer ever, already has won 4 PL titles and CL title and yet he doesn't deserve legendary status?

On the other hand we have Cristiano Ronaldo, a player of rare ability who's never said anything bad about United and always shows appreciation for both club and Sir Alex. But that same Cristiano Ronaldo LEFT United to fulfil his dream of playing for Real Madrid but he does deserve legendary status?

So, one player stays here, plays CM eventhough he's striker just because manager asks him to play that position, other one fecks of to Madrid in his prime but sends hugs and kisses to fans. Let's cheer the latter and not give a feck about former who still wears United shirt.
 
Chabon said:
Ronaldo was only "Ronaldo" for two seasons. Prior to 2006 he was profoundly inconsistent, and in his last season he could only be arsed half the time.
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And his behaviour during the summer of 2008 was atrocious and far far worse than anything Rooney has done but yet he'll be an "all time great" for his 2.5 years of wonderful service but Rooney might not despite a decade of scoring and being our top scorer ever potentially . Logic
 
I understand people not liking Rooney much after the whole contract saga but at the same time I see page after page of the Ronaldo thread where people love him even after he treated the club like trash in the summer of 08. Seems kind of harsh to let him off so lightly but still have a grudge for Rooney, who despite his obvious errors, is still at the club and he clearly loves the club.
 
Just saw this on Twitter :

Wayne Rooney isn't happy. He appointed law firm PBS to send a warning to national press about 'fat/unfit' stories this week.
 
Black Adder said:
He did question United ambition, but with Cristiano Ronaldo sale and money being transfered to Glazers pockets rather then club itself he did have right to raise that question. Everyone on Caf were crying about United not spending money, and he was only one that questioned via public. After talk with Sir Alex he signed new contract, STAYED here and was willing to sacrifice himself for the benefit of the team by playing every postion he was asked to play. Soon he'll become Uniteds top scorer ever, already has won 4 PL titles and CL title and yet he doesn't deserve legendary status?

On the other hand we have Cristiano Ronaldo, a player of rare ability who's never said anything bad about United and always shows appreciation for both club and Sir Alex. But that same Cristiano Ronaldo LEFT United to fulfil his dream of playing for Real Madrid but he does deserve legendary status?

So, one player stays here, plays CM eventhough he's striker just because manager asks him to play that position, other one fecks of to Madrid in his prime but sends hugs and kisses to fans. Let's cheer the latter and not give a feck about former who still wears United shirt.
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Well said. Even though I adore Ronaldo, I think the abuse Rooney gets on here is nothing short of stupid. We moaned about the lack of ambition in the market, causes friendly debate. When Rooney moaned about lack of ambition, he's boarder-line lynched for it.

Rooney doesn't deserve half the abuse he receives by United fans. You can never doubt hit commitment. I don't see many players playing so effectively in different positions. I'd love it if he broke the record, he deserves it. To score that many goals, when you aren't even a "true forward" is quite something.

Brwned made a fantastic post in the RVP thread about him. Even when he's off the boil, you'll never see him not wanting to be in the mix of the game. He wasn't having a good game at all against City a couple of seasons ago or so - and yet he still audaciously went for THAT overhead kick.
 
wr8_utd said:
I understand people not liking Rooney much after the whole contract saga but at the same time I see page after page of the Ronaldo thread where people love him even after he treated the club like trash in the summer of 08. Seems kind of harsh to let him off so lightly but still have a grudge for Rooney, who despite his obvious errors, is still at the club and he clearly loves the club.
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I don't like either, it does seem hypocritical to like Ronaldo and not Rooney.
 
He'll easily be a legend. Once time passes and Rooney the human being who also had bad games - which every one has - is forgotten while highlights of his greatest moments will be shown time and time again, it will sway many minds. And rightfully so. It's just the way things go. Christ, you see how a few months out with an injury magically elevate the status of a player in supporters eyes.... Think about five years of retirement!
 
Zen86 said:
It's Eyepopper's thing, if you don't agree with him it's because you read the sun.
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Yes, you see I forgot all those interviews where he discussed his alcohol and fitness problems.
 
To be fair, how many times did Ronaldo score goals for us and didn't have a good game in terms of general play? We never criticised him this much because we appreciated his goals winning us games.
 
AttackingFlair said:
To be fair, how many times did Ronaldo score goals for us and didn't have a good game in terms of general play? We never criticised him this much because we appreciated his goals winning us games.
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He certainly had plenty of those games during his final season with us.
 
AttackingFlair said:
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/drogba-chelsea-must-match-my-ambition-159574/

^ here's Drogba questioning Chelsea's ambition at 29 years of age and yet he's adored there.

Rooney was young and made a mistake which he regrets now. Since then he's scored or created 74 in 74 for us.. maybe we should give it a rest now.
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Its one thing questioning the ambition of a toyclub like Chelsea, where success has never been the norm til 2003. Its a whole other thing questioning an institution like United. I'm surprised I even have to say this, it should be plainly obvious...

Jesus wept, reading this thread makes me wonder if some of you support United, or just Rooney.
 
Pexbo said:
Nonsense.

In 20 years time we will all be telling the youngsters what a player he was.
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yup. exactly. people rarely realize and appreciate anything good until it is gone.

throughout the 8 and 3/4 seasons rooney has been a wonderful player for us. at times, he got upstaged by ronaldo then and now van persie but nobody could deny his influence towards our attacking force.

197 goals for us speaks volume for itself. could had been more though, but we could never be satisfied.hehe
 
rotherham_red said:
Its one thing questioning the ambition of a toyclub like Chelsea, where success has never been the norm til 2003. Its a whole other thing questioning an institution like United. I'm surprised I even have to say this, it should be plainly obvious...

Jesus wept, reading this thread makes me wonder if some of you support United, or just Rooney.
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It is the Wayne Rooney thread after all. Albeit, I wonder the same too. Cringeworthy stuff in here at times.
 
rotherham_red said:
Jesus wept, reading this thread makes me wonder if some of you support United, or just Rooney.
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:lol::lol:

It's like some people think that Rooney is a fecking nuffy reserve player who's done feck all. 4th highest goalscorer in history and on target to finish as club top scorer in history.

It's getting a bit ridiculous now. I'm now fawner over Rooney but there is a fine line between criticism and downright disrespect. Some in this thread need to cut the guy some slack, take a step back and re-discover what makes them remember that Rooney as a United player wears the red shirt with pride.

Again I cringe at this thread. :lol:
 
To be honest his goal count will be have higher if he was employed as an out and out striker from the start. Its only because he was sacrificed and played in different positions that he hasn't scored more. People need to stop slagging him all the time and give him a break. In my eyes he is already a legend at this club and if he retires here, then he will go on to be one of the best ever players at United.
 
RDCR07 said:
So you are saying if he retires here, he will not be a legend?
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After what happened during the contract saga, I don't think people will hold him in the Legend status.

I know, we had Keane as well, but that was different, and this was on an entirely different level.
 
If he finishes his career here, I'd say he would easily get legend status. He would most likely have the top goal scorer record as well. Plus the contract issue would have been followed by another five or so season playing with us at least. If he keeps up a good level it will just become a footmark in his history with us and most people will have forgotten or forgiven him by then
 
AttackingFlair said:
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/drogba-chelsea-must-match-my-ambition-159574/

^ here's Drogba questioning Chelsea's ambition at 29 years of age and yet he's adored there.

Rooney was young and made a mistake which he regrets now. Since then he's scored or created 74 in 74 for us.. maybe we should give it a rest now.
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Drogba also said he wanted to leave almost every summer. Difference is Chelsea needed mercenaries like him, at United players arent bigger than the club

I think Rooney will be a United legend, but I think its daft when people mention Ronaldo. He was the best player in the world and when he left it was to pursue his own goal of playing in Spain.

He didnt question the club's ambition or insist he speaks to the owners of the club. And being that he's a foreigner, what right did we have to think he'd stay in England all his career? With Rooney its all different. Different levels of ability. Different levels of disrespect
 
No I don't have as much a problem with Ronaldo leaving as I have with the way he treated the club during the summer of 2008. Everything he did was classless and pathetic, from his "Only God Knows the future" all summer to agreeing with Blatter over the slave comments.
 
Who cares about this legend nonsense anyway? To each his own. I'm sure there are some out there who don't consider means a legend due to his current bitterness and consider ole one because of his clear adoration for the club. It's a personal thing really.
 
This whole 'questioned the ambition' rage is a bit mind-boggling.. So the feck what? He questioned it, they answered and he signed. He didn't leave.. So what does it matter?
 
RDCR07 said:
To be honest his goal count will be have higher if he was employed as an out and out striker from the start. Its only because he was sacrificed and played in different positions that he hasn't scored more. People need to stop slagging him all the time and give him a break. In my eyes he is already a legend at this club and if he retires here, then he will go on to be one of the best ever players at United.
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Agree with this completely.
 
If Rooney finishes his career here, he will probably have around 300-400 goals in 700+ appearances. Like him or not, he will certainly be a legend with

+ 15 years+ of service
+ Highest goalscorer ever
+ winning titles all along the way by being an integral part of several sides
+ 700+ appearances

IMO.
 
ghaliboy said:
This whole 'questioned the ambition' rage is a bit mind-boggling.. So the feck what? He questioned it, they answered and he signed. He didn't leave.. So what does it matter?
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It's more the fact that he did it so publicly and made Fergie look like a bit of a mug, all for a few extra quid a month.

Rooney could have easily kept it quiet if he felt the club didn't match his ambition and left (saying he wanted a new challenge). If he changed his mind he could have signed (as he did). The fact is he used the media as leverage against the club.
 
finneh said:
It's more the fact that he did it so publicly and made Fergie look like a bit of a mug, all for a few extra quid a month.

Rooney could have easily kept it quiet if he felt the club didn't match his ambition and left (saying he wanted a new challenge). If he changed his mind he could have signed (as he did). The fact is he used the media as leverage against the club.
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In fairness, he didn't do anything publicly. It was Ferguson who very cunningly made it public in that press conference which he used to great effect to put pressure on Rooney. Rooney made his transfer request privately behind closed doors.
 
Pexbo said:
In fairness, he didn't do anything publicly. It was Ferguson who very cunningly made it public in that press conference which he used to great effect to put pressure on Rooney. Rooney made his transfer request privately behind closed doors.
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It was all over the papers way before Fergie said anything.
 
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