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Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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There was no off the pitch trouble with Rio or Beckham?
Didn't Evra admit to wanting to leave United at one point as well?
Um...
He's also had his fair share of "off-field" problems as well.
But why let the facts get in the way of lambasting one of our best players still at the club.
I really can't wait for that 200th goal (and hope to christ it comes in the derby), surely becoming the fourth player in the club's entire history to hit that landmark will shut his critics up for at least a little while.
There has been some off-pitch trouble with several players, but with Rooney there is always this murmuring of rumours of him being unfit, drinking too much alcohol, dissatisfied with the club etc etc. Rio had one BIG blowout, but has come back strong and is an avid supporter for the club and wears his heart on his sleeve.
Is it wrong to criticise Rooney because some consider him our best player? I do too, but I don't really consider him a club legend as such. I don't like him that much - doesn't come off as the most intelligent or sympathetic character at the club, nor does he seem to hit the levels where he can be cnut and still get away with it, sort of speaking.
Is it wrong to criticise Rooney because some consider him our best player? I do too, but I don't really consider him a club legend as such. I don't like him that much - doesn't come off as the most intelligent or sympathetic character at the club, nor does he seem to hit the levels where he can be cnut and still get away with it, sort of speaking.
I think you're reading too many tabloids mate. Do you think for a minute Fergie would put up with that? - oh wait that's why we're selling him to PSG I forgot.
Huh? You know this from watching him run round a field, besides people like Best & Keane were hardly known for their intelligence and kind nature were they?
To me what you're saying comes across as someone who swallows their opinions from the red tops each day.
The only thing I'll say on the subject is that I don't think he should be played as attacking mid any more. When he's in form he's very good in that position, my favorite seasons from Rooney were when he played there. But, I just think his touch and passing are too inconsistent now for us to rely on him creating for us. His goals and assists say it all though, even when he's not playing well he tends to produce something. So just play him up top and leave Kagawa or someone else in charge of creating, of course the problem now is we also have RvP which basically forces us to play 442 or use Rooney slightly deeper.
To be fair he put up with a lot of drinking whining etc from keane until his performances no longer warranted turning a blind eye.
He put up with a lot of drinking from Keane? Keane said he got a bollocking from Clough in his first season at Forest about drinking and that was the end of it for his career because it just wasn't tolerated at United.
Give his autobiography a read, his drinking carried on till about '97.
Really? I'm fairly sure I remember a few incidents from means own book where he was on a night out and got into the shit, with at least one involving a night in the cells, can you see Roy in a bar drinking a tomato juice?
I hardly read tabloids mate, and you assume too much! And I do believe I can make my own opinions - one called be controversial above and you call me mainstream? OK then...
I base my opinions on interviews etc that I have seen with him. I just don't think he is the most sympathetic player I've witnessed. Giggs used to be my number one player at United, but after the shambolic shagging of his brother's wife, I think less of him - that's just the way it is. Still think Giggs is a legend as he comes across as loving the club more than anyone pretty much.
David Beckham had a lot of off the pitch stuff, but his commitment and love for the club has never been questioned.
Except Beckham actually left the club. Despite his love for the club, he put his off the field issues ahead of it.
You also don't have to read the tabloids these days to actually know what they are saying.
You also don't have to read the tabloids these days to actually know what they are saying.
It's Eyepopper's thing, if you don't agree with him it's because you read the sun.
True, but Beckham is still welcomed like a hero at the club every time he visists Old Trafford. If Rooney left for Madrid, do you think he would get the same reception later? Beckham is just a lot more likeable.
So a guy that has been here since for as long as he has (and his tenure his isn't close to being done IMO), and has scored as many goals as he has (he'll most likely end up as United's top ever goal scorer) doesn't deserve to be called a club legend? Then who does?
seriously, some people.
Like him or dislike him, he is/will be remembered as a club legend, deal with it.
seriously, some people.
Like him or dislike him, he is/will be remembered as a club legend, deal with it.
Thank god for Rooney, eh? This made it what, 10 goals in his last 9? While everybody's shiny new favorite toy continues to struggle upfront, Rooney's made sure we've not felt the impact of his lack of goals. 3 goals away from 200 now
In the rare case we do sell Rooney, I fear the worst for you.
tbh, I think it's simply doing the reverse of all the overblown hatred, overblown love.
I didn't say he doesn't deserve to be a club legend - I said I think he mostly would be, but few people would probably have him in their favourite all time United XI - I just don't think he is THAT good. Also, I don't like him as much as many of the other players - simple as that.
It must be possible to be able to discuss such things without being called labelled a spastik for thinking our so called best player isn't perfect and maybe not all that likeable.
I doubt it'll be as hard to take as Ruud's exit was actually.
He should be a club legend but how he questioned the club and the manager was unprecedented. You can have off the field issues and still be a great, you don't have to be a saint. Rooney though took it a step to far, he questioned the ambition of the club, probably the worst thing you could do. He shit on his own doorstep unfortunately.
Wayne Rooney a club legend? Not seeing it. Definitely a United great.
The past couple pages just read of RvP vs. Rooney competition all over again. Quite tiresome. To think we have fans who will exaggerate another United's player 'poor' display all in the vein of backing their own favorite United player is just childish. I know I'm being judgmental but it's silly behavior imo this fanboism.
We have two wonderful strikers here. One who just arrived this season who after a brilliant start, is going through a goal drought. The other despite not playing well is putting up some great numbers. What more is there to take away from this situation? It's astounding that some on here have a hard time appreciating what both strikers do for us. Instead of hoping both click on at the same time, we get posts that read more like, "Haha take that van Persie fans, Rooney's the best!"...."let me remind you how shite Wayne is...he questioned our ambition!!" Like one's poor form is a time to get a one up on United fans who like the other striker more. I get each has their respective threads and there's the constant need to compare but I don't think either will receive the same level of criticism. Especially when Rooney has been here for much longer.
The past couple pages just read of RvP vs. Rooney competition all over again. Quite tiresome. To think we have fans who will exaggerate another United's player 'poor' display all in the vein of backing their own favorite United player is just childish. I know I'm being judgmental but it's silly behavior imo this fanboism.
We have two wonderful strikers here. One who just arrived this season who after a brilliant start, is going through a goal drought. The other despite not playing well is putting up some great numbers. What more is there to take away from this situation? It's astounding that some on here have a hard time appreciating what both strikers do for us. Instead of hoping both click on at the same time, we get posts that read more like, "Haha take that van Persie fans, Rooney's the best!"...."let me remind you how shite Wayne is...he questioned our ambition!!" Like one's poor form is a time to get a one up on United fans who like the other striker more. I get each has their respective threads and there's the constant need to compare but I don't think either will receive the same level of criticism. Especially when Rooney has been here for much longer.
People really have overreacted over the whole Rooney situation. It was almost guaranteed that most of that situation was born from the media in the first place, and if you look at his position then, you can't say that united were looking in great shape, can you? We had sold Ronaldo the season before, and the spine of our team was getting older with no real replacements lined up at that moment. Also he would have seen how united collapsed at the end of the season with just him getting injured for a month. Obviously he made a mistake going public with it and everything, but he most likely was just looking for an improved contract. Try to put yourself in his position, he isn't a die hard united fan like most of us, or like Neville, or giggs, or scholes. Before he came to united, he probably couldn't give 2 shits about us.
Anyways, he apologized loads of times off the pitch, and led us to the title and final in the second half of that season, so that whole situation should be done for most fans.
I don't think even most Rooney fans would have him in an all time united 11 really. He's a world class player and will most likely end up as uniteds all time top scorer, and is a club legend for sure but there have been better strikers in our history. Don't think that should be a way to judge if a player is a legend or not though. Would beckham, or Neville get into most united XI's? Probably not with players like Ronaldo and best to choose from. Doesn't make them any less of a united legend.
Why not? Putting aside the players who dedicated their entire careers to the club, what sets Law or Cantona or Ronaldo apart from Rooney?
Actually, Law is a particularly good comparison, as Rooney will soon match his appearances for the club. Both played 400 times for the club (to date, in Rooney's case) and they both averaged a little over 1 goal every 2 starts. How is Dennis Law an undisputed Manchester United legend but Rooney isn't?
Ruud's exit was too hard to take, at least for me. Total waste. There was more work to be done.
As for Rooney, the only serious issue with him is his lack of consistency. As I see it, what drives his inconsistency is the absence of top fitness. Get to top fitness and he's nipping at Messi's and Ronaldo's heels among the greatest players in the game today. But would Roo make the all-world XI? Not a chance.
Don't think Rooney will ever be a club legend.
Same here. He was and will always be my favorite player and losing him was very difficult to take. Remember him not being in the lineup for one of the final games of the season at OT and then him driving away iirc. Writing was on the wall and it was depressing. Tevez hurt quite a bit too but Rooney ever leaving would still not be at par with Ruud's exit.
Nonsense.
In 20 years time we will all be telling the youngsters what a player he was.
Not for me - he'll be up there in terms of stats, so you won't argue against him being great for the club but when you're talking to kids about players you watched in the past it'll be about the likes of Ronaldo, Scholes and Giggs. Rooney isn't in that bracket for me.
absolutely.
The only way he won't be is if we get rid in the summer or maybe next.
If he stays for the rest or at least the best part of his career he almost certainly will be as we would then probably be talking about a player that played for the club for around 15 years maybe more winning lots of titles and probably end up been the record ever goal scorer in the clubs history. If he stays he will be one of our biggest legends.
And why not Rooney? The only constant in our forward line-up for about 10 years now, and still many years to come hopefully. A time that also contains one of the greatest periods in the history of our club. He's been crucial in so many of our trophies over the years. Yes his seasons are often up and down and yes he made that mistake a few years ago, but if you look at the bigger picture of his United career he's been a magnificent player for us. If he stays with us for the majority of his remaining career, I'll definately have him down as a club legend.
On the legendary status thing Id have Rooney ahead of Rio if Id had to pick one....Neither are what Id call "true" legends though...
Rio's supposedly having his testimonial this summer, I think he'll go down as a legend due to the combination of his ability, his length of service and the sheer amount of trophies he's won.
Actually, Christ, that's a point, Rooney could have a testimonial next year if he wants...
Actually, Christ, that's a point, Rooney could have a testimonial next year if he wants...
Of course he'll be regarded as a legend, he's in top 5 all-time United goalscorers. He's been reliable for nearly a decade and has scored some belters as well as lots of vital goals.
I don't think he's developed the way I expected him to though. When he joined us he looked like he could go on to become one of the best players in the world, possibly an all-time great. His touch, awareness, shooting, creativity was top notch and at 18 we all thought he could go on to develop into a much better player. While I think he's matured a lot and has certainly become more effective, he's lost some of his magic - it's been said numerous times before and not all agree, I know. That's something that might prevent him from being remembered in the same way as someone like Ronaldo who was pure magic on top of effectiveness during his time here.
I don't think he's developed the way I expected him to though. When he joined us he looked like he could go on to become one of the best players in the world, possibly an all-time great. His touch, awareness, shooting, creativity was top notch and at 18 we all thought he could go on to develop into a much better player. While I think he's matured a lot and has certainly become more effective, he's lost some of his magic - it's been said numerous times before and not all agree, I know. That's something that might prevent him from being remembered in the same way as someone like Ronaldo who was pure magic on top of effectiveness during his time here.
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