He certainly behaved very badly there but he's still our player so I'm behind him
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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He certainly behaved very badly there but he's still our player so I'm behind him
Who doesnt get criticized after bad performances? Heck even SAF gets criticized when he gets things wrong? Why would Rooney be above criticism?
The post you're referring to at the top of the page is RK's? Go read it again and see why he wants him sold. You're spot on about the contract drama clouding judgements but thats what am saying. Its that drama that makes certain posters wanting him sold etc etc, not his performance levels. He's never been a player that performs at his best week in week out ever in his career so its not as if people here arent used to the fluctuations.
pretty true actually - even the Valencia thread, which unsurisingly has a lot of bile in it, probably deservedly so, mostly talks about him being put out to grass for a bit rather than getting rid.
Not really in goal scoring terms Rooney has been our best player in recent weeks. He's also had a good number of assists in that time.
That suggests his form is nowhere near as bad as is being suggested. Obviously it's about more than goals but even ignoring goals and assists he not been noticeably worse than say RVP yet seems to be getting far more stick.
Nothing to do with the tabloid fuelled soap opera though.
You're a disgrace. You're an absolutely pathetic supporter and stupid man.
That's just nonsense. He's had two terrible games this season vs Everton and Swansea and despite a injury ravaged season and also having been shifted around all over the pitch, he's put in some very good performances which are backed up by the stats.
So the guy who's going to be our all time top scorer isn't a United great? Makes sense
In terms of the importance of his goals+assists, his value is unbelievably similar to RVPs. And it's even better that their bigger drops in inconsistency were perfectly timed.
wouldn't even bother replying to RK's post...disgraceful comment. Can't really believe it's genuine..
Why not? It's a logical point tbf.....how many teams wouldn't see their top scorer as a great?
I mean if he doesn't get there, then fair enough. But if he does.....can't really deny him.
I mean if he doesn't get there, then fair enough. But if he does.....can't really deny him.
That's where we differ I guess. RVP was particularly poor yesterday but otherwise his general play has been good even during this dry patch. Contrast that with Rooney's poor touch and frequent dispossession which gets overlooked time and time again. That's not playing well in my eyes when you consider all the attacks that are broken down and all the pressure which is invited onto us. Yet people still claim he's the complete player he used to be and could be moved into midfield.
The greatest asset Rooney has in my eyes over the last year or so is his positioning and being in the right place at the right time, which is something RvP is struggling with (probably due to this being his first season with us), leaving him isolated at the moment.
I used to think our fans were some of the more reasonable ones out there.
I guess I'm wrong.
We are so spoiled it's sickening. Constantly slating a player who continues to produce fantastic numbers and wins us games.
And most of it comes down to a contract negotiation that Rooney handled horribly.
Guess what - Vidic, Evra, Rio, and Keane all had contract bullshit, Beckham and Ruud fell out with Fergie too.
It happens, move the feck on.
I guess I'm wrong.
We are so spoiled it's sickening. Constantly slating a player who continues to produce fantastic numbers and wins us games.
And most of it comes down to a contract negotiation that Rooney handled horribly.
Guess what - Vidic, Evra, Rio, and Keane all had contract bullshit, Beckham and Ruud fell out with Fergie too.
It happens, move the feck on.
Of all the obscenely stupid things said about Rooney, the dismissal of his goalscoring record as a mere 'statistic' has to be the worst.
Pffft you can prove anything with facts.
Its a very subjective term though isnt it? For me even if does achive the amazing feat of becoming our top goalscorer to date, ( I hate the phrase of all time, are we closing down after the record is broken?) I cn think of at least ten players that would rank higher on an all time utd greats list without even trying.
1: the king Eric Cantona
2: George Best
3: Sir Bobby
4: Ryan Giggs
5: Paul Scholes
6: Peter Schmeichel
7: Bryan Robson
8: Roy Keane
9: Ronaldo
10: Dennis Law
It would be incredibly harsh to bump any of them,and Im sure you would think its incredibly harsh to leave Rooney out, but until the day somone can come up with a hard and fast criteria of what makes a Utd great we can all agree on there is no right answer
Rooney is already a Manchester united legend, obviously. Trying to rank the legends is a bit facile.
Sorry, let me re phrase that... There is no right or wrong answer unless you disagree with the rdl, then you are automatically wrong
What on Earth is the 'rdl'?
I can figure it out of course, I just want you to say it out loud so everyone can see what a childish pillock you are.
I can figure it out of course, I just want you to say it out loud so everyone can see what a childish pillock you are.
'RedCafe Dinner Ladies'?
Yes they all are United greats but that doesn't mean that Rooney isn't a great. He might not be higher than those guys but he's still going to go down as a great and a legend. I'm not questioning Rooney's position in the list of greats, just his absence on it as RK suggests.
Thats kind of my point though, im sure every one of us would have a slightly different list mate, and mine is no more right than anyone elses and what makes a legend is different for all of us. For example I considered removing keane for rooney, but that one night in Turin swayed me, if I belived rooney actually gave a shit about the club and then added in his achievements Id probably have him top 4, but I dont think he does.
Rooney becoming the United all time goalscorer can only mean a good thing for Man United so how come someone wish him to be sold before it happens ?
The number of greats you can have isn't really concrete though.....I mean all of Vidic, Evra, Rio, Rooney, Ronaldo are already United greats, and deservedly so. Just like all of the Fledglings are greats and deservedly so.
He may not be a club icon as FM puts it(The Cantonas, The Bests, The Giggs), but he's certainly a great.
He may not be a club icon as FM puts it(The Cantonas, The Bests, The Giggs), but he's certainly a great.
Some right mentalist in the united forum with their pathetic sarcastic comments.
Oh look who played badly. Oh look who scored another goal. Rooney this RVP that. I seriously hope some of you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime aren't older than 16 or there's no hope for you
Oh look who played badly. Oh look who scored another goal. Rooney this RVP that. I seriously hope some of you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime aren't older than 16 or there's no hope for you
What a constructive comment.
Coming from you pal? Nice swan
Thats quite a good point about greats and icons to be fair
Care to venture an opinion about the subject being discussed? All are welcome.
Never claimed to be anything else. What an angry person you are..... Colleen...... Is that you?
Why are you limiting it to just 10? There's no limit to the number of legends a club can have.
Rooney is already a club legend, there's nothing subjective about that. In fact there's nothing subjective about any of the 10 ten names you've mentioned. I'll be surprised if anyone leaves out those players in their list of club legends.
You talk about giving a shit about the club and then cite Roy fecking Keane....
Yeah granted that was a tricky one I grant you and was waiting for it to come up
Purely picked ten as a matter of time/space
Again this thread fails to disappoint.
Roll on Wayne!
Roll on Wayne!
Don't be a fecking idiot.
Which you then used to illustrate the fact that Rooney might not be a United 'great'. Pointless
I know, we should never question him ever. United's best ever player.
Rooney will go down as one of the United all time greats, but I doubt he would make many dream XIs! Also, I don't think he will be regarded like Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Beckham or even Rio and Evra. There has been too much off the pitch "trouble" with him, nor does he strike me as a through and through United supporter/player like the aforementioned.
His stats are amazing, even after having a mediocre season. Going by watching every match, I do think that his hold up and link-up play is too average for a great player. He isn't able to shrug off bigger players anymore like he used to; his explosiveness seems to have more or less evaporated and his short passing is too random at times. He can pull off a world class flick, then mess up a two yard simple pass the next second. That, to me, is frustrating to watch - and that is where RVP is a level above Rooney, to me.
His stats are amazing, even after having a mediocre season. Going by watching every match, I do think that his hold up and link-up play is too average for a great player. He isn't able to shrug off bigger players anymore like he used to; his explosiveness seems to have more or less evaporated and his short passing is too random at times. He can pull off a world class flick, then mess up a two yard simple pass the next second. That, to me, is frustrating to watch - and that is where RVP is a level above Rooney, to me.
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