Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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I'm sure we've tried to change him. Similar to how SAF tried to change the drinking culture when he first arrived. Some players listened, some did not.

I'm sure Rooney isn't as lax and lazy with his fitness as some of us think, but at the same time I bet he can improve his physique if he was really willing to sacrifice. We just have to accept Rooney isn't going to put in the sort of dedication similar to the the likes of Giggs or Ronaldo.
 
Simonhch speaks the truth. If only Rooney worked himself into top physical condition...I mean P90X stuff...he'd be unplayable, perhaps even in the same stratosphere as Ronaldo and Messi.

As it is, we have a streaky player. Amazing one day, ordinary the next day.

I was at the game against Villa at OT last season (we won 4-0) when Rooney was having a poor game, misplacing passes all game and not playing well at all when just as Berbatov (I think) was getting ready on the Sidelines Rooney comes up with an unexpected but really good goal. After the game SAF said this:

"He was careless," Ferguson said. "Wayne has to play on the edge of a game, when it is really close and competitive.

"When the game gets to that casual bit, he is worse than the rest of them.

"He gets really casual about it. It is better when he is on the edge. Then he is a marvellous player."

The key thing for me a that even when he is having spells of playing poorly he is still capable of scoring regularly, when others maybe wouldn't. It's probably proven by the fact that right now a lot of you are complaining that he isn't playing particularly well but I think the stat I saw earlier in the thread suggested he has 10 goals in his last 11 starts for us? I can think of a bunch of assists too.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that even when Rooney isn't at the top of his game, he is still very productive in terms of goals and assists and imo that should give him a bit of lee-way but for some reason the fact that at times like this he doesn't just completely go off the boil he still contributes significantly is massively overlooked. He is our current in form striker along with Hernandez yet in posts above it was suggested he should go find his form in the reserves?! :wenger:
 
Ya i know it's a forum and all that shit but how many sets of fans out there slag off their own player who consistently scores and assists goals all season and against some of the top teams too.

Rooney, Nani and Giggs all frustrate because they do give the ball away. however, these same players are gifted and creative so you take the good with the bad because when it comes down to it, they produce the goods.
 
OptaJoe - @OptaJoe 75 - Wayne Rooney has scored or assisted a goal every 75 mins on average in the league this season, his best ever rate in the PL. Prime.
 
OptaJoe - @OptaJoe 75 - Wayne Rooney has scored or assisted a goal every 75 mins on average in the league this season, his best ever rate in the PL. Prime.

Take Chelsea for example though, he scored but was useless other than his free kick. We ended up drawing the game and playing terribly. If Rooney is dropped yes we lose the goal he scored but if someone else comes in and plays better then maybe we don't concede two, and we're still likely to score anyway. Just because someone scores doesn't mean they should be playing constantly. In hindsight of that Chelsea game I'd much rather have seen Welbeck get the start even knowing Rooney scored.

I'm not saying this will always be the case, some times all you need is a scrappy goal to get a win. But with Rooney playing the role of creator for our team he needs to be doing better in his overall play, if not just play him as a striker and leave creating up to someone else.
 
True in isolated cases but the stats speak for themselves over a season, if he is making or scoring goals at a higher rate than he ever has before that suggests he is playing better than people give him credit for.
 
I'm not saying this will always be the case, some times all you need is a scrappy goal to get a win. But with Rooney playing the role of creator for our team he needs to be doing better in his overall play, if not just play him as a striker and leave creating up to someone else.

Sunday's a bad example of his form this season, a much better representation would be the Norwich match, wherein he looked sluggish a lot of the time but eventually provided moments of quality.
 
Take Chelsea for example though, he scored but was useless other than his free kick. We ended up drawing the game and playing terribly. If Rooney is dropped yes we lose the goal he scored but if someone else comes in and plays better then maybe we don't concede two, and we're still likely to score anyway. Just because someone scores doesn't mean they should be playing constantly. In hindsight of that Chelsea game I'd much rather have seen Welbeck get the start even knowing Rooney scored.

I'm not saying this will always be the case, some times all you need is a scrappy goal to get a win. But with Rooney playing the role of creator for our team he needs to be doing better in his overall play, if not just play him as a striker and leave creating up to someone else.


Big assumption though. Someone else could come in play worse and we concede three. We didn't end up drawing the game just because Rooney didn't play well. There were several of our lads playing badly in that second half and they're at least equally culpable. If Rooney had played badly in isolation you would have a valid point, but it doesn't really stand when most of the team did too.

The point I made in an earlier post is that when Rooney goes through these temporary phases of playing badly he still contributes in terms of goals and assists. He doesn't just go missing completely like some might, he still manages to be productive for us but its all too quickly dismissed because of a few short passes.

Several players have dipped in form a bit this season. RvP is in a current slight dip compared to his earlier form, Valencia, Young, Nani, Anderson and Kagawa have also dipped at various points this season whether injury related or not - with Rooney though despite this he's still scoring and making goals - at his best ever rate in the PL.

I agree with you on playing him higher up though, even just for a game or two with Kagawa in behind.
 
Sunday's a bad example of his form this season, a much better representation would be the Norwich match, wherein he looked sluggish a lot of the time but eventually provided moments of quality.

No it isn't, its an excellent example of his performances this season. Scores/sets up a goal, strolls around looking uninterested, repeatedly gives the ball away.

And repeat.......
 
That's ridiculous bollocks, Sunday was by far the worst he's played this season, there's been nothing else like that this entire season.
 
So three matches in a season, including a ground where he never plays well, is a representative sample?

Name one other game this calender year where he's seemed lethargic and uninterested.
 
So three matches in a season, including a ground where he never plays well, is a representative sample?

Name one other game this calender year where he's seemed lethargic and uninterested.

That's ridiculous bollocks, Sunday was by far the worst he's played this season, there's been nothing else like that this entire season.

So two other examples are Nothing? And why this calendar year as oppposed to this Season?
 
He fecking does!! Its quite plain that he would rather be somewhere else when its not going his way.

You're wrong here, I think his attitude this season has been highlighted more because he's been playing deeper. So if he's not 100% active it's being picked up on more than last year.
 
You're wrong here, I think his attitude this season has been highlighted more because he's been playing deeper. So if he's not 100% active it's being picked up on more than last year.

Partially Ill grant you, and Maybe Im exaggerating but so does the RDL, "Hes never played like that all season until Sunday"....Wrong! He never looks uninterested.....Wrong!
 
Partially Ill grant you, and Maybe Im exaggerating but so does the RDL, "Hes never played like that all season until Sunday"....Wrong! He never looks uninterested.....Wrong!

If there is an auction for a dinner with Rooney, I sincerely hope the caf starts a donation fund to get you to win. We wuld like a video of it too. :lol:
 
So two other examples are Nothing? And why this calendar year as oppposed to this Season?

Because we all know he had a slow start, but there were pretty major mitigating circumstances (he got stabbed in the leg).

Since October, with a couple of notable exceptions his performances have ranged from middling to excellent, and he has almost always contributed at least one goal. You, like the press, are massively exaggerating the extent and number of his less than stellar performances.
 
People keep bringing stats up with Rooney, Hernandez is scoring more freely from less than half the amount of starts. Rooney scored a lucky free kick which was a cross on sunday, but his overall game was rubbish. I remember last season we beat Villa 4-0, and Rooney scored twice yet his performance was one of the worst I've ever seen from him. He's just really inconsistent with his overall game nowadays. No doubt he's still providing goals/assists but everything else seems a bit hit or miss for him.
 
Hernandez has been playing right up top, Rooney's been asked to play in a deeper role and he also has a lot more assists.
 
I don't think it's wrong to say that he hasn't reached the heights everyone thought he would.

When he was breaking into the Everton team, I watched every match I could purely to watch him. It was a common enough opinion then that he could have been the best player in the world.

Sure he's still brilliant now for us, but he's not as good as he could have been.
 
People keep bringing stats up with Rooney, Hernandez is scoring more freely from less than half the amount of starts. Rooney scored a lucky free kick which was a cross on sunday, but his overall game was rubbish. I remember last season we beat Villa 4-0, and Rooney scored twice yet his performance was one of the worst I've ever seen from him. He's just really inconsistent with his overall game nowadays. No doubt he's still providing goals/assists but everything else seems a bit hit or miss for him.

Stats have been posted in the Hernandez thread too though: Javier Hernández - Page 188 - RedCafe.net
He's also rightfully receiving a lot of praise in there, but this is the Rooney thread.

I don't think anyone in here is arguing that playing his best football ever. But he has had an intermittent season due to injury and yet in terms of goals and assists he's at his most productive rate. The really poor games aren't even as half common as people are making out either.
 
OptaJoe - @OptaJoe 75 - Wayne Rooney has scored or assisted a goal every 75 mins on average in the league this season, his best ever rate in the PL. Prime.

He's definitely not been at his best this season. He's been quite good without being brilliant. He is getting goals which is good but the rest of his game has been hit and miss.

I'd say Carrick and Rafael have been better than him (obv Rvp too) and if Rooney was at his absolute best you couldn't say those two have been better than him.
 
He's definitely not been at his best this season. He's been quite good without being brilliant. He is getting goals which is good but the rest of his game has been hit and miss.

I'd say Carrick and Rafael have been better than him (obv Rvp too) and if Rooney was at his absolute best you couldn't say those two have been better than him.

I agree with you.
 
Take Chelsea for example though, he scored but was useless other than his free kick. We ended up drawing the game and playing terribly. If Rooney is dropped yes we lose the goal he scored but if someone else comes in and plays better then maybe we don't concede two, and we're still likely to score anyway. Just because someone scores doesn't mean they should be playing constantly. In hindsight of that Chelsea game I'd much rather have seen Welbeck get the start even knowing Rooney scored.

I'm not saying this will always be the case, some times all you need is a scrappy goal to get a win. But with Rooney playing the role of creator for our team he needs to be doing better in his overall play, if not just play him as a striker and leave creating up to someone else.


Odd how just a few days before EVERYONE (or pretty damn close to it) was in a panic because Wayne was NOT starting.
 
Could the dire play of Valencia have anything to do with his apparent looking shite?

Especially when Carrick's go-to ball of late has been the bypass ball through to the player playing off the front striker. When Nani is on the field he is playing inside and moving the ball outside. When Valencia is on the field all he does is pull out and hug the touchline creating a much tougher ball and more isolated play and gives the opposition a quickfire way to man up and mark him out.

I think it is also the same sometimes with Evra. He brings the ball forward and forces Rooney into having to play the ball with his back to goal if he is central but if he has broken to the left he usually has only one option and that is to come back inside and recycle without a proper avenue toward goal. It's something I have noticed this year that has been a little rinse-repeat.
 
I don't think it's wrong to say that he hasn't reached the heights everyone thought he would.

When he was breaking into the Everton team, I watched every match I could purely to watch him. It was a common enough opinion then that he could have been the best player in the world.

Sure he's still brilliant now for us, but he's not as good as he could have been.

If to be brilliant means to shine or sparkle, he certainly isn't that. There's nothing brilliant about him. He's productive.

I can't imagine anyone watching Manchester United to see the brilliance of Wayne Rooney.
 
OptaJoe - @OptaJoe 75 - Wayne Rooney has scored or assisted a goal every 75 mins on average in the league this season, his best ever rate in the PL. Prime.

Quite amazing that really, even more so when he's probably played out of position for the majority of his games to.
 
I'd say he's played behind the main striker for most of the games his season. If that's not his best position he's at least as good there as leading the line.
 
If there is an auction for a dinner with Rooney, I sincerely hope the caf starts a donation fund to get you to win. We wuld like a video of it too. :lol:

I'd rather give tony Blair a Bj in front of my mum and dad
 
I'd say he's played behind the main striker for most of the games his season. If that's not his best position he's at least as good there as leading the line.

I'd say Rooney's single best performance this season came when he played at the head of a diamond at St James park. You can see why people might think he should be a CF, he is one of the most prolific number 9s on the planet after all, but he's hardly "out of position" when he's behind one or even two strikers.
 
Because of wayne's talent, he can look good as a number 9 or a number 10. Only in one of those positions does he show any sort of consistency. The amount of times United fans go back and forth on Rooney's best position is quite intriguing. I wouldn't be surprised if he put on a fantastic display as a no.10 and then fans start bellowing about how it's his best position.

There were some games where he was played as a no.9 and did very poorly. When people look back at his 30+ goal-scoring season, few will remember the various goal-scoring lulls he went through. Most just remember he had 30+ goals and forget the fact it came in spurts. Just using this point to say how much of a streaky player Wayne Rooney is. Whether that's goals or overall play. One of the two will suffer.

The whole 'heartbeat' nonsense needs to stop because it simply doesn't make sense. We've played well in games where he's not there. We've played poorly when he's not there. We've played well when he's in the team. We've played poorly even when he is in the team. For me, he's simply become a moments type of player who is an important part of this team (not the most important). He'll rarely have a good 90 minutes but there will be at least one or two quality moments from him where you hope it will do the job.

One performance where he was good throughout was against Fulham. Displayed great first touch, finding teammates, dovetailing well with van Persie, and scored the crucial goal to win the game. Haven't really seen the same since. For a manager that has to be frustrating.

I just don't understand it when fans put him on such a high pedestal but then when he's not living up to those standards, become all defensive as if they can't believe they themselves may have set the bar too high.

I think everyone recognises the quality Rooney has. He's shown it year in, and year out. I for one, will continue to question his consistency. He's putting up great numbers at the moment but it doesn't mask the fact his overall form hasn't been all that great.
 
Because of wayne's talent, he can look good as a number 9 or a number 10. Only in one of those positions does he show any sort of consistency. The amount of times United fans go back and forth on Rooney's best position is quite intriguing. I wouldn't be surprised if he put on a fantastic display as a no.10 and then fans start bellowing about how it's his best position.

There were some games where he was played as a no.9 and did very poorly. When people look back at his 30+ goal-scoring season, few will remember the various goal-scoring lulls he went through. Most just remember he had 30+ goals and forget the fact it came in spurts. Just using this point to say how much of a streaky player Wayne Rooney is. Whether that's goals or overall play. One of the two will suffer.

The whole 'heartbeat' nonsense needs to stop because it simply doesn't make sense. We've played well in games where he's not there. We've played poorly when he's not there. We've played well when he's in the team. We've played poorly even when he is in the team. For me, he's simply become a moments type of player who is an important part of this team (not the most important). He'll rarely have a good 90 minutes but there will be at least one or two quality moments from him where you hope it will do the job.

One performance where he was good throughout was against Fulham. Displayed great first touch, finding teammates, dovetailing well with van Persie, and scored the crucial goal to win the game. Haven't really seen the same since. For a manager that has to be frustrating.

I just don't understand it when fans put him on such a high pedestal but then when he's not living up to those standards, become all defensive as if they can't believe they themselves may have set the bar too high.

I think everyone recognises the quality Rooney has. He's shown it year in, and year out. I for one, will continue to question his consistency. He's putting up great numbers at the moment but it doesn't mask the fact his overall form hasn't been all that great.

This sums up pretty much exactly what I have been saying (badly) for some time. The potential is there for so much more, and or a player who obviously considers himself one of the best around playing in streaks is not acceptable.

You mention his 30+ goal season was patchy, and it certainly was yet the RDL will use this exact thing as a reason why Berbatovs top scoring season was no great achievement. And as for using him as a Midfielder as someone was suggesting, I don't see how someone whos short passing is so erratic could ever be a regular midfielder, our defenders would be having kittens
 
I'll gladly take Rooney's form being "not that great" if he continues to put up these kind of stats every year for the rest of his time at United.
 
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