Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

[Chabon]

I think people really downplay just how good a goalscorer Rooney has become. He's edging towards a Law/RVN goalscoring rate regardless of where he plays. Even if he lost every other skill permanently (and come on, it surely is just one of his blips) he'd still be one of the best players around based on that alone.

RvP Has never insinuated he is bigger than the club and better than the rest of the squad a la Rooney, despite being carried by the club on a semi regular basis

Well at least you admit it.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

I think people really downplay just how good a goalscorer Rooney has become. He's edging towards a Law/RVN goalscoring rate regardless of where he plays. Even if he lost every other skill permanently (and come on, it surely is just one of his blips) he'd still be one of the best players around based on that alone.



Well at least you admit it.

Ive never denied that I expect a hell of a lot more from him since his outburst, he wants to claim he is the be all and end all that is fine, but I then expect him to back it up each and every time he plays and reserve the right to call him on it when he doesn't.

 

[Chabon]

To be fair though I do think he's taken it up a level since signing that contract.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

To be fair though I do think he's taken it up a level since signing that contract.

That's what pisses me off.....ON OCCASION he has, but nowhere near often enough to justify the contract or status he thinks he deserves for my money.

 

[AttackingFlair]

Another difference between RvP and Rooney is at least when RvP is out of form he still gets the basics right, he doesn't suddenly lose all semblance of a professional footballer.

RVP pass completion in the CL is 63%, Rooney at 66%. People are being a bit harsh on Rooney, he's not the only player who's been giving the ball away recently. At least Rooney either contributes a goal or an assist per start.. and that stat of 10 in 11 is quite ridiculous for someone who doesn't even play right up top.

 

[Chabon]

He's only on 180k. It's huge by the club's historical standards, but it's not like he demanded parity with the clowns across the city or anything.

Anyway, with regards to his goalscoring I thought I'd summarise it thus. It took him 242 games to net his first century in a United shirt, but it's looking like he'll need less than 160 games to find the next one, with just four more needed. I hope to christ it comes in the derby, as becoming the highest all-time scorer in Manchester derbies, the fourth player in the club's history to score 200 goals, and a five-time title-winner all in one night would probably go a long way to shut the press up.

 

[The Neviller]

He's only on 180k. It's huge by the club's historical standards, but it's not like he demanded parity with the clowns across the city or anything.

Anyway, with regards to his goalscoring I thought I'd summarise it thus. It took him 242 games to net his first century in a United shirt, but it's looking like he'll need less than 160 games to find the next one, with just four more needed. I hope to christ it comes in the derby, as becoming the highest all-time scorer in Manchester derbies, the fourth player in the club's history to score 200 goals, and a five-time title-winner all in one night would probably go a long way to shut the press up.

Not bloody good enough.

 

[Sam]

He's only on 180k. It's huge by the club's historical standards, but it's not like he demanded parity with the clowns across the city or anything.

Anyway, with regards to his goalscoring I thought I'd summarise it thus. It took him 242 games to net his first century in a United shirt, but it's looking like he'll need less than 160 games to find the next one, with just four more needed. I hope to christ it comes in the derby, as becoming the highest all-time scorer in Manchester derbies, the fourth player in the club's history to score 200 goals, and a five-time title-winner all in one night would probably go a long way to shut the press up.

'Only'?!

fecking hell!

 

[wr8_utd]

He's only on 180k. It's huge by the club's historical standards, but it's not like he demanded parity with the clowns across the city or anything.

Anyway, with regards to his goalscoring I thought I'd summarise it thus. It took him 242 games to net his first century in a United shirt, but it's looking like he'll need less than 160 games to find the next one, with just four more needed. I hope to christ it comes in the derby, as becoming the highest all-time scorer in Manchester derbies, the fourth player in the club's history to score 200 goals, and a five-time title-winner all in one night would probably go a long way to shut the press up.

Just 200 goals in 8-9 years? Clearly not good enough. Messi and Ronaldo would do that in 3-4 seasons

 

[wr8_utd]

'Only'?!

fecking hell!

So is RvP and Rooney has done and achieved far more for this club than the former ever will. You have to pay these types of wages if you want to keep your best players happy.

 

[Chabon]

My point was that while it's an absolute truckload of money, by the standards of modern contracts it's not all that spectacular. God knows what we'd be paying Ronaldo if we'd been able to convince him to stay.

 

[Sam]

So is RvP and Rooney has done and achieved far more for this club than the former ever will. You have to pay these types of wages if you want to keep your best players happy.

But to describe £180K a week as 'only' , is ridiculous.

Its a disgusting amount of money.

 

[The Neviller]

'Only'?!

fecking hell!

It's not a huge wedge compared to other elite players. Eto'o is on over £300,000 and he's a busted flush. I don't think Wayne Rooney is on an overinflated wage when you consider his status in World/European football.

The stick he gets from our own support is a joke.

 

[gza the genius]

RVP pass completion in the CL is 63%, Rooney at 66%. People are being a bit harsh on Rooney, he's not the only player who's been giving the ball away recently. At least Rooney either contributes a goal or an assist per start.. and that stat of 10 in 11 is quite ridiculous for someone who doesn't even play right up top.

Rooney also plays basically as an attacking midfielder, when you have a someone playing as deep as Rooney does pass completion is much more important.

 

[The Neviller]

But to describe £180K a week as 'only' , is ridiculous.

Its a disgusting amount of money.

Most top level footballers earn obscene amounts of money, his post was talking comparatively.

 

[Brightonian]

But to describe £180K a week as 'only' , is ridiculous.

Its a disgusting amount of money.

Oh get over yourself, you know exactly what he means. Compared to the <£200 earned by several players at City, PSG, Anzhi and other money-clubs, or the £250 which parts of the press like to claim that Rooney is on.

 

[Brightonian]

Rooney also plays basically as an attacking midfielder, when you have a someone playing as deep as Rooney does pass completion is much more important.

By the same logic, goals and assists become less important, but Rooney has loads of those.

 

[Sam]

Oh get over yourself, you know exactly what he means. Compared to the <£200 earned by several players at City, PSG, Anzhi and other money-clubs, or the £250 which parts of the press like to claim that Rooney is on.

So you've compared United with a load of clubs who have mega rich owners who throw money around like it means nothing.

 

[MrMojo]

This Ferguson character you speak of is the man who was criticised every other week for playing Rooney right up top just a few years ago. At that point Rooney echoed the cries of many fans when he said he thought he played better with the freedom that comes with playing in the hole, and even in 2010 when he decided he had no preference for position you still had people up in arms saying we were wasting him by leaving him so uninvolved.

Some fans are stuck in a time warp when it comes to Rooney, he's actually quite different from the guy at 20 but we want to treat him as if nothing has changed.

He's never brought exquisite touch, control, passing and vision to the No. 10 role like Bergkamp/Cantona, he's a level below in that regard. He did though bring that explosive, arrogant ability to drive at the opposition. As soon as that disappeared his role should have been altered, which it was for a season, the season he was widely regarded as third best in the world.

Personally I don't like him playing with Hernandez where he's boxed into that deeper role, there's nothing free about it. At least with the other two he can lead the line and create.

 

[The Neviller]

So you've compared United with a load of clubs who have mega rich owners who throw money around like it means nothing.

Rooney is our most important player, and has been for quite some time. His wage reflects that as far as our club is concerned, but comparatively, when you think of other elite footballers, it isn't ridiculously high.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

 

[gza the genius]

By the same logic, goals and assists become less important, but Rooney has loads of those.

I've never said he doesn't contribute because he clearly does. My original point though was that RvP gets less flak because when he's in poor form he doesn't lose all of his basic footballing abilities.

Edited: flak not slack

 

[AttackingFlair]

Some fans are stuck in a time warp when it comes to Rooney, he's actually quite different from the guy at 20 but we want to treat him as if nothing has changed.

He's never brought exquisite touch, control, passing and vision to the No. 10 role like Bergkamp/Cantona, he's a level below in that regard. He did though bring that explosive, arrogant ability to drive at the opposition. As soon as that disappeared his role should have been altered, which it was for a season, the season he was widely regarded as third best in the world.

Personally I don't like him playing with Hernandez where he's boxed into that deeper role, there's nothing free about it. At least with the other two he can lead the line and create.

What about the second half of 10/11 where he dominated the CL in the number 10 role.

 

[Shark]

I've never said he doesn't contribute because he clearly does. My original point though was that RvP gets less slack because when he's in poor form he doesn't lose all of his basic footballing abilities.

That's a good point. When most supposedly world class players aren't on they're game, at least they can still pass the ball and do the basics. Rooney turns into a Sunday league player. Well, that's an exaggeration, but the point is valid.

 

[The Neviller]

That's a good point. When most supposedly world class players aren't on they're game, at least they can still pass the ball and do the basics. Rooney turns into a Sunday league player. Well, that's an exaggeration, but the point is valid.

A Sunday league player who still manages to score a goal every other game at the highest standard of football.

That'll do for me.

 

[MrMojo]

What about the second half of 10/11 where he dominated the CL in the number 10 role.

How does one player dominate a Champions League?

I'm not into using a handful of games from two years ago to prove a point.

 

[AttackingFlair]

How does one player dominate a Champions League?

I'm not into using a handful of games from two years ago to prove a point.

Bossing the knock out round games with his vision, passing and creativity and also scoring a great goal against one of the best teams ever in the final when we were starved of possession.

 

[simonhch]

I have always maintained that Rooney's off field lifestyle isn't that befitting of one of the world's best players. Hence he is not in the peak physical condition his talent merits. He's an old school english player in that regard.

His touch and passing used to be such a feature of his game. Now it's his glaring weakness. Really hopes he turns it around. See no reason, other than lack of application and dietary discipline, why he couldn't be palying here until his mid 30's.

 

[MrMojo]

Bossing the knock out round games with his vision, passing and creativity and also scoring a great goal against one of the best teams ever in the final when we were starved of possession.

So he played well in United's games in the knockout rounds, I agree, that isn't bossing a Champions League. One player can't boss a tournament.

You're proving my point though, in trying to illustrate him playing well as a No.10 you go back to a few games that took place two years ago. There's the idea of Rooney, forged years ago and then there's the reality of today's version. I still think he's gone stale but played as a proper striker he could get back to being only second to Ronaldo and Messi.

 

[Platato]

I've never said he doesn't contribute because he clearly does. My original point though was that RvP gets less slack because when he's in poor form he doesn't lose all of his basic footballing abilities.

I think you mean less flak but yes I agree with what you're saying. At worst, I think Rvp has been average and he's going through a bit of a goalscoring lull recently. Wayne despite scoring goals hasn't been playing well at all. His good play only comes in spurts. Is that what you want from your most important player?

 

[gza the genius]

I think you mean less flak but yes I agree with what you're saying. At worst, I think Rvp has been average and he's going through a bit of a goalscoring lull recently. Wayne despite scoring goals hasn't been playing well at all. His good play only comes in spurts. Is that what you want from your most important player?

Yes I definitely meant flak.

 

[IrishLegend]

So you've compared United with a load of clubs who have mega rich owners who throw money around like it means nothing.

Are you retarded? Of course it means something, We're competing with these clubs for players and trophies, which means you have to compete on wages.

Want to see what happens when you don't compete on wages? Look at Arsenal.

 

[Cold_Boy]

Rooney may not be on Ronaldo/Messi/Iniesta/Xavi etc level but he is one of our most important if not the most important.

Along with his global apeal and being English of course we have to pay him 180k per week in this day and age where even half decent players are earning obscene amounts.

 

[KingEric7]

Some fans are stuck in a time warp when it comes to Rooney, he's actually quite different from the guy at 20 but we want to treat him as if nothing has changed.

He's never brought exquisite touch, control, passing and vision to the No. 10 role like Bergkamp/Cantona, he's a level below in that regard. He did though bring that explosive, arrogant ability to drive at the opposition. As soon as that disappeared his role should have been altered, which it was for a season, the season he was widely regarded as third best in the world.

Personally I don't like him playing with Hernandez where he's boxed into that deeper role, there's nothing free about it. At least with the other two he can lead the line and create.

Definitely has, in my opinion.

05/06 and 10/11 - pretty much the complete package for that sort of thing during these years. Rooney's touch has been amazing at times during his career. A lot more consistent and, although it was never quite in the league of Nani/Ronaldo/Berbatov/Iniesta at their best (in the sense that you could just ping a ball at them in whatever lack of space and see them consistently control it not matter what), he had that pretty special ability of being able to take players on with his first touch and make space out of nothing. I've not seen many players that had the ability to do that like he has at times during those two seasons. Much better dribbler back then in his second season too (something which is clear to see in replayed games).

Rooney's had so many bouts of not being able to trap a bag of cement that it's easy to forget what he's actually looked like when it's all come together. He's been an absolutely quality player for this club but I do think it's a shame that he's not become the player he should've been. He has phenomenal ability.

 

[togg]

Definitely has, in my opinion.

05/06 and 10/11 - pretty much the complete package for that sort of thing during these years. Rooney's touch has been amazing at times during his career. A lot more consistent and, although it was never quite in the league of Nani/Ronaldo/Berbatov/Iniesta at their best (in the sense that you could just ping a ball at them in whatever lack of space and see them consistently control it not matter what), he had that pretty special ability of being able to take players on with his first touch and make space out of nothing. I've not seen many players that had the ability to do that like he has at times during those two seasons. Much better dribbler back then in his second season too (something which is clear to see in replayed games).

Rooney's had so many bouts of not being able to trap a bag of cement that it's easy to forget what he's actually looked like when it's all come together. He's been an absolutely quality player for this club but I do think it's a shame that he's not become the player he should've been. He has henomenal ability.

agree with that, great player for the club, but has not reached the expectations that I think we all had for him, and perhaps that will be the overiding legacy he will leave behind...

 

[ghaliboy]

this thread is so mental.

I wonder how much pain he plays in with that ankle and how much of it is being managed. I wonder what the fans would think if he received a career threatening injury and just petered out at 32 and being forced to retire having struggled on and broken Charltons all-time scoring record.

Touch wood that doesn't happen though.

Some of the shite being spouted in here is mental.

 

[darko]

this thread is so mental.

I wonder how much pain he plays in with that ankle and how much of it is being managed. I wonder what the fans would think if he received a career threatening injury and just petered out at 32 and being forced to retire having struggled on and broken Charltons all-time scoring record.

Touch wood that doesn't happen though.

Some of the shite being spouted in here is mental.

I completely agree with you. Some won't know what they've got until it's gone. Tops in assists in the EPL and 10th in goals scored this season. HE had 27 goals in the EPL last season. Now he's asked to take on a different roll and he has done it. He's a fabulous player.

 

[LR7]

Wayne Rooney 'is better than Robin Van Persie in the box' - Lou Macari

Manchester United's former player and respected analyst Lou Macari says that Wayne Rooney is a better penalty box finisher than Robin van Persie and should be deployed as a striker, rather than drift into a midfield role which will frustrate him.

Rooney has operated as an ancillary player since Van Persie's arrival last summer as the preferred front man, and though the Englishman has scored 15 goals, Sir Alex Ferguson suggested at the weekend that he views him as an option behind the striker. Rooney, who has operated in midfield more this season, drifted into a deep-lying position when he started against Chelsea on Sunday after being left on the bench against Real Madrid last week.

Macari said: "He has got such a football brain and you can throw him in there, in midfield. But I just take the view that if you've played in midfield all your life you know what it's all about. It requires a lot of energy up and down the pitch. There's no break for you. Is Wayne capable of doing that week-in, week-out? I don't think so. He is used to being up front and he is at his very best inside that box.

"When the ball drops for him I would back him to score even over and above Robin van Persie. I would back him to put the ball in the back of the net given all sorts of opportunities inside the box. He is a goalscorer, that's where he wants to be. And if he goes a number of games without scoring he gets a little bit frustrated, a little bit annoyed and sometimes his game goes to pieces a little bit. Up front is his position."

Both Rio Ferdinand and Michael Carrick have rejected the excuse of fatigue which Ferguson offered for the side's anodyne second half display which left them lucky to escape with a 2-2 draw against Chelsea in Sunday's FA Cup quarter-final. "It has been a tough week. But that is not an excuse," Carrick said. "We want to be playing more big games because it would mean we had got through. We just couldn't see it out."

Ferdinand described the Carrick pass from close to the centre circle, which Javier Hernandez converted for United's first goal as the "ball of the season" and described the 31-year-old midfielder as "the most under-rated and under-valued player" in the league. "He is valued highly by our squad, don't worry about that," Ferdinand said. "No-one [could play a pass like that]."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...an-persie-in-the-box--lou-macari-8530232.html

I said earlier in the thread I'd like to see Rooney given a game or two as a CF with Kagawa in behind to see how it works. Looked promising against Norwich and watched the Chelsea game back yesterday and even in the second half when we were awful, there were a few good exchanges between the two of them.

 

[Cold_Boy]

His best has come at a CF.

 

[Ruud10]

I have always maintained that Rooney's off field lifestyle isn't that befitting of one of the world's best players. Hence he is not in the peak physical condition his talent merits. He's an old school english player in that regard.

His touch and passing used to be such a feature of his game. Now it's his glaring weakness. Really hopes he turns it around. See no reason, other than lack of application and dietary discipline, why he couldn't be palying here until his mid 30's.

Simonhch speaks the truth. If only Rooney worked himself into top physical condition...I mean P90X stuff...he'd be unplayable, perhaps even in the same stratosphere as Ronaldo and Messi.

As it is, we have a streaky player. Amazing one day, ordinary the next day.

 

[VoetbalWizard]

Simonhch speaks the truth. If only Rooney worked himself into top physical condition...I mean P90X stuff...he'd be unplayable, perhaps even in the same stratosphere as Ronaldo and Messi.

As it is, we have a streaky player. Amazing one day, ordinary the next day.

at the same time, you would think one of the world's most premier sporting institutions would force all their players under contract to stay in the most fit shape possible.

couldn't fergie just order wayne to put in extra sessions year round at carrington?

you can only do so much with a potato.