Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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I'll probably get laughed at, but was Sir Alex scared to take him off after all the Madrid furor? It was plainly obvious to most people that he should have came off at some point but it just never happened and I think the team suffered for it.

I also believe that was the case. Shifting him wide in second half showed what Fergie thought about his performance.
 
I'll probably get laughed at, but was Sir Alex scared to take him off after all the Madrid furor? It was plainly obvious to most people that he should have came off at some point but it just never happened and I think the team suffered for it.

Legitimate question, if he'd come off it'd have only added fuel to the fire and caused a bigger distraction. I'm usually of the opinion that nobody should be above being dropped, but in this instance I think it'd have been counterproductive.
 
I don't think it was that, bringing rvp on made sense and we could only have 1 up top so Hernandez who's the lease versatile made sense to come off.
 
Even if you look past that, which I can see the logic in, Rooney still should have been off before Kagawa.

Yeah probably true but I think we needed his extra defensive strength wide and so that's probs why it was kagawa who come off. In all honestly we should have taken valencia off first of all, harsh as it may be as he was contributing nothing.
 
His touch and Valencia's tendency to check back are the most frustrating things in football.
 
I've been saying it for a couple of years and to me it is blatantly obvious, he isn't a No.10 anymore. He's an out and out striker and if you want his best that should be his position.

He's also gone stale and needs a fresh challenge. That's not his fault it's just life.
 
When I see these types of performances and seeing how average he can be, I just think of them pictures of him pissed up smoking in the offseason that turn up. He admits he's turned up overweight for preseason before and the whole "he needs games" comments are around his fitness, which often seems inadequate.

He just doesn't seem to have the dedication to be the best player he can possibly be - he's got it all ability wise and still excellent on his day but I think he could be better and certainly fitter if he applied himself better.
 
I agree with those saying he should just give up the idea of wanting to play as a number 10. He would be a much better player just playing as a out and out CF, where his passing ability would not matter as much. The 'problem' for you guys is that you signed RVP to play in that position.
 
I agree with those saying he should just give up the idea of wanting to play as a number 10. He would be much better player just as a out and out CF, were his passing ability does not matter as much. The 'problem' for you guys is that you signed RVP to play there.

Absolutely but anyone who raised this at the time got mocked for calling him a bad signing. By signing RVP we stopped Rooney from playing in his best position, so he drops deep and prevents Kagawa from playing his. Too many cooks and all that.

RVP has been great but it has caused structural 'problems'.
 
I'm sure Rooney will put in a fantastic performance later on this season, only for his fans to shout down the detractors. But this is what we've come to expect with Wayne. No consistency. The lad needs games but this is just woeful. He doesn't get a pass. He doesn't deserve one. I'm sorry but I can't see how you're the heartbeat of the team, when you perform like that. It just doesn't add up.

His first half wasn't even that good. If you watch the game again, you'll see he gave up passes even then. Strange player and if he keeps it up, the future doesn't bode well for him.

Seeing Rooney's performance just made me disappointed more than angry. This was a game where we needed our big players to come to the fore and he just faded. He really should have come off. After 70 minutes, he contributed very little good to our game. Just about everything with his game was off.
 
I'll probably get laughed at, but was Sir Alex scared to take him off after all the Madrid furor? It was plainly obvious to most people that he should have came off at some point but it just never happened and I think the team suffered for it.

Why would he be scared to take him off if he wasn't scared to bench him for the biggest game of the season?
 
Not a great game for Rooney despite getting the goal. Seems to get the ball caught under his feet more often than controlling it cleanly. Seems we are in for a stint of rubbish Rooney who pops up with a goal every now and then before he starts to come good again.
 
The backtracking by the papers is hilarious. First, he's DEFINITELY off, we want to sell him. Then, he is supposed to be off but maybe there are no takers. Now, we want to offer him a new contract and he's eager to sign. You couldn't make this up. Sports media at its lowest.

It's stupid.

It's like they WANT to print bollocks to get peoples tails up because it sells better than actually writing the truth. This is all a far cry from what journalism used to be. Actual pieces from proper journo's that you would read and feel nourished.

Now it's just pop journalism spouted on a merry-go-round about the same bullshit over and over. Incendiary pieces sell papers now because fecking gumpsters buy this shit and spout it religiously like utter twonk pipes.

Just had Fox here in aus cut to their 'leading english corrospondent (some guy who looked like a fat version of Ainsley)' "Wayne Rooney is definitely leaving because Fergie left him out against Madrid. Writing on the wall". "Yep, writing definitely on the wall bozza, what do you think." "He's not going anywhere. End of.."

feck it's infuriating. Just makes you not want to read anything that anyone writes.
 
Absolutely but anyone who raised this at the time got mocked for calling him a bad signing. By signing RVP we stopped Rooney from playing in his best position, so he drops deep and prevents Kagawa from playing his. Too many cooks and all that.

RVP has been great but it has caused structural 'problems'.

If we didn't sign Rooney he'd still be playing in the same position as he did last year when partnered with both Welbeck and Hernández.
 
Kagawa in behind Rooney looked promising when RvP came off against Norwich. Even yesterday in the first half some of their link up looked good. It's something we should try again especially since RvP looks desperately in need of a rest and Rooney is more than capable of playing higher up.
 
I thought he was excellent for the last 10-20 min. against Norwich, when he was the CF and Kagawa behind him. Fergie maybe should try that again for the next game, and see what happened. It also gives some times off for RvP who doesn't look fit at all.
 
I thought he was excellent for the last 10-20 min. against Norwich, when he was the CF and Kagawa behind him. Fergie maybe should try that again for the next game, and see what happened. It also gives some times off for RvP who doesn't look fit at all.

Snap!
 
feck me. I posted the same thing as LR7 on the same minute. Spooky.
 
I thought he was excellent for the last 10-20 min. against Norwich, when he was the CF and Kagawa behind him. Fergie maybe should try that again for the next game, and see what happened. It also gives some times off for RvP who doesn't look fit at all.

Well that cements his place in the team then, a good 10-20 minutes against Norwich.
 
I don't understand how a player who can be so good can be this shit with his (simple) passing and general ball control.I cannot think of another player who plays for big clubs who can look this hopeless on a bad day
 
Well that cements his place in the team then, a good 10-20 minutes against Norwich.

I think it's more the fact that him and Hernandez are scoring goals which RvP isn't doing right now and looks leggy and in need of a rest.
 
I think it's more the fact that him and Hernandez are scoring goals which RvP isn't doing right now and looks leggy and in need of a rest.

RvP is making successful passes and controlling the ball right now, which Wayne isn't doing.
 
Yep simply unsellable that lad :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Looked uninterested, uncoordinated, passing was shit, should be dropped and stay dropped until he gets his shit together.
 
Problem is, he's unlikely to get his shit together from the bench. Its typical Rooney though, astonishing his swings in performances. Insanely inconsistent for a player of his caliber.
 
I hate this idea. If he's shit, bench him. It might put the rocket up his arse that he sometimes needs.

I thought signing RvP alone would motivate him but it hasn't. I also thought buying RvP would mean Sir Alex would bench Rooney and play Kagawa behind him if Rooney was out of form but that hasn't really panned out either.
 
I hate this idea. If he's shit, bench him. It might put the rocket up his arse that he sometimes needs.

Am not saying we shouldnt bench him, saying he's the sort of player that actually needs to play every damn game to keep his game upto scratch. We've all seen how shit he is when he comes back from an injury or the like. So even if we do bench him, we'l have to give him gametime to get back to form anyways.
 
Am not saying we shouldnt bench him, saying he's the sort of player that actually needs to play every damn game to keep his game upto scratch. We've all seen how shit he is when he comes back from an injury or the like. So even if we do bench him, we'l have to give him gametime to get back to form anyways.

That's where we disagree though, playing every game doesn't keep his game up to scratch, not at all.
 
That's where we disagree though, playing every game doesn't keep his game up to scratch, not at all.

I think it does. SAF himself says that he needs to play regularly to keep up his form. He's perhaps the only player in the squad that actually benefits from the international matches as it keeps him going.
 
I think it does. SAF himself says that he needs to play regularly to keep up his form. He's perhaps the only player in the squad that actually benefits from the international matches as it keeps him going.

Excuses from SAF. Wayne's form can be just as shit during a run of games. The rumours of SAF being unhappy with his commitment in training seem true to me because at times on the pitch he looks utterly useless.
 
Christ, criticism for Rooney? It's only took him being dropped for the biggest game of the season for people to look at Rooney more objectively and see his flaws.

This opinion that Rooney has gone stale and needs a new challenge is something I've heard a lot recently and is something I agree with. If ever I've seen a player just cruising through games, it's him. He's lost that fire in him and he's a worse player for it.
 
Christ, criticism for Rooney? It's only took him being dropped for the biggest game of the season for people to look at Rooney more objectively and see his flaws.

This opinion that Rooney has gone stale and needs a new challenge is something I've heard a lot recently and is something I agree with. If ever I've seen a player just cruising through games, it's him. He's lost that fire in him and he's a worse player for it.

I forget who said it and I don't care enough to look but I think the perfect way to describe it is that he's too comfortable here now. The Madrid game is the first time in his career for United that I can remember him being dropped for an important game, regardless of form, and even that doesn't seem to have motivated him.
 
I forget who said it and I don't care enough to look but I think the perfect way to describe it is that he's too comfortable here now. The Madrid game is the first time in his career for United that I can remember him being dropped for an important game, regardless of form, and even that doesn't seem to have motivated him.

Mr Mojo said it a few pages back and got unfairly slated for it as he was in one of his all too brief purple patches at the time. He may have had a decent season in terms of output but it could be so much more.
 
Mr Mojo said it a few pages back and got unfairly slated for it as he was in one of his all too brief purple patches at the time. He may have had a decent season in terms of output but it could be so much more.

Story of the blokes life. Had he had Ronaldoesque levels of dedication to fitness and training he could have been as good as him.
 
Rooney playing as a CF with Kagawa behind him wouldn't be a bad idea. They seem to work well together and Rooney has less responsibility in that position. He can just focus on attacking.
 
Rooney playing as a CF with Kagawa behind him wouldn't be a bad idea. They seem to work well together and Rooney has less responsibility in that position. He can just focus on attacking.

Im still convinced that was SAFs original idea before RVP to us became a realistic option.
 
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