I think some people are looking at the first 60 minutes, thinking how well we've handled Real Madrid, they're probably crap, we should have added another striker and killed them, not understanding that the tactical game we've played and the team we've selected allowed us to neutralize Real. A more attacking team might not have done that.
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I think some people are looking at the first 60 minutes, thinking how well we've handled Real Madrid, they're probably crap, we should have added another striker and killed them, not understanding that the tactical game we've played and the team we've selected allowed us to neutralize Real. A more attacking team might not have done that.
I was shocked he was left out at first but once I saw how we lined up it was understandable and it was undoubtedly working, whether Rooney could have made it better or worse is another question but the players out there were doing it.
It was really well balanced. With giggs on the right his natural inclination would be to come inside on to his left which helped us centrally keep it tighter and have us the ability to get giggs on to his left. With him on that flank it then made sense to have someone who can give more of a direct threat on the other flank and only nani could really give that. Young and kagawa would have both wanted to come inside in some way as would Rooney, only nani could give us the wide option as well as offering the link up coming inside.
The only other spot for Rooney was in the hole and with what welbeck was doing I don't know if Rooney could have matched it. He'd have the discipline to stay on alonso but I don't think he has the pace or carrying ability welbeck has. Welbeck was able to just run off alonso as soon as we got the ball and get beyond rvp. Rooney doesn't have that pace and with how close he would have been needing to sit on alonso it would have been hard to use his passing to put in players.
So like I said I don't think there was a natural spot for Rooney where he could claim a clear edge over nani, giggs, welbeck or rvp. They all suited their roles and whilst rooney was capable of playing in any if them I'm not sure he could have executed them as well. I suppose you could say if Rooney was at a higher level we'd make room for him but that's a different argument.
I don't think this will cause problems hopefully it will spur Rooney to make himself essential to the team. He's done well this season even if its gone slightly unnoticed but we all know he's got the ability to do more and hopefully this is a good kick up the arse for him.
It was really well balanced. With giggs on the right his natural inclination would be to come inside on to his left which helped us centrally keep it tighter and have us the ability to get giggs on to his left. With him on that flank it then made sense to have someone who can give more of a direct threat on the other flank and only nani could really give that. Young and kagawa would have both wanted to come inside in some way as would Rooney, only nani could give us the wide option as well as offering the link up coming inside.
The only other spot for Rooney was in the hole and with what welbeck was doing I don't know if Rooney could have matched it. He'd have the discipline to stay on alonso but I don't think he has the pace or carrying ability welbeck has. Welbeck was able to just run off alonso as soon as we got the ball and get beyond rvp. Rooney doesn't have that pace and with how close he would have been needing to sit on alonso it would have been hard to use his passing to put in players.
So like I said I don't think there was a natural spot for Rooney where he could claim a clear edge over nani, giggs, welbeck or rvp. They all suited their roles and whilst rooney was capable of playing in any if them I'm not sure he could have executed them as well. I suppose you could say if Rooney was at a higher level we'd make room for him but that's a different argument.
I don't think this will cause problems hopefully it will spur Rooney to make himself essential to the team. He's done well this season even if its gone slightly unnoticed but we all know he's got the ability to do more and hopefully this is a good kick up the arse for him.
Fergie : "There is no issue with the contract. When it has to be renegotiated, it will be. We don't want good players to leave. He's the Gazza, the Bobby Charlton, he's the best English player and I spoke to him.."
Only Rooney can go from signing for City, Barca and PSG to signing a new deal in the space of a few days
The backtracking by the papers is hilarious. First, he's DEFINITELY off, we want to sell him. Then, he is supposed to be off but maybe there are no takers. Now, we want to offer him a new contract and he's eager to sign. You couldn't make this up. Sports media at its lowest.
Press are covering all their bases. If he leaves, they'll say 'we told you so'. If he stays, they'll say 'we told you so'. Idiots.
I don't quite have it in me, but someone should get a nice name-and-shame post up here, quoting all the 'he was dropped for a game, he's clearly off' lunatics and the even crazier 'Fergie promises he'll be with us next season, Fergie lies so he's definitely off' crowd. That way there'll be a nice neat resource for puerile 'I told you so' kicks next season when it turns out that, yes, 'he'll be here next year' does indeed mean 'he'll be here next year.'
Sorry to come off as such an arsehole but christ, what is it about United's best players that makes certain United fans so paranoid?
Sorry to come off as such an arsehole but christ, what is it about United's best players that makes certain United fans so paranoid?
you can name and shame me. my exact thoughts are that he's 95% off come sept 1, 2014.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-future-Man-United--Alex-Fergusons-terms.html
They've got a new bullshit angle now, wherein Rooney has become a squad player.
However, far more offensive than the cynical backpedaling is the notion that Sir Alex calls him Wazza...
They've got a new bullshit angle now, wherein Rooney has become a squad player.
However, far more offensive than the cynical backpedaling is the notion that Sir Alex calls him Wazza...
Yup. I've heard that plenty of times too.
I've only ever heard Fergie call him Wayne but I'd be stupid to disagree with Damien's robot brain.
This and what Freak said a few pages back. The consistency simply is not there. It makes for interesting viewing when he still contributes with goals and assists quite regularly. I think it may be hard for some to realise Wayne Rooney isn't as valuable as he once was. Doesn't change the fact he's a great player though.
Have you ever wondered just how far up their own arses the British sporting press are?
This far.
The self-importance is almost mind-blowing.
This far.
The self-importance is almost mind-blowing.
"He's a fecking a great player, and you're all fecking idiots"
Rooney will be gone within 18 months.
Rooney will be gone within 18 months.
Bloody hell....
Or you could just not make up braindead bullshit stories designed to do nothing but shift more copies regardless of maintaining any sort of standards.
If you want to know why the print media is dying on its arse and being hauled through tribunals into its behaviour have a look in the mirror pal.
Or you could just not make up braindead bullshit stories designed to do nothing but shift more copies regardless of maintaining any sort of standards.
If you want to know why the print media is dying on its arse and being hauled through tribunals into its behaviour have a look in the mirror pal.
I've never understood why everyone feels it is so wrong that Sir Alex bans press that he does not want there. It's his press conference, other teams should do it too, would stop the bullshit the papers come out with to an extent.
He doesn't ban people for printing untruths, consistently. He bans them for reporting he does not like, regardless of the truth. He's BBC boycott was for an investigation into his son. That wasn't tabloid bullshit, that was proper investigative journalism, if there was nothing to hide they should have been open about it, and SAF should have accepted it comes with the territory.
SAF acts as though he is above the rules in relation to the media, and he gets away with it, perhaps to some extent he is, with his experience and the fear he creates in people. It is hardly an attractive quality in him, but feck it, it's small beer in th of great scheme of things compared to his outstanding leadership of the club overall.
SAF acts as though he is above the rules in relation to the media, and he gets away with it, perhaps to some extent he is, with his experience and the fear he creates in people. It is hardly an attractive quality in him, but feck it, it's small beer in th of great scheme of things compared to his outstanding leadership of the club overall.
I wonder why he only banned two reporters/papers, they were all at it so why be so selective.
I don't blame SAF, there's an information battle going on, with few rules or morals.
But as far as I know there is no rule saying you cannot ban people from your press conference? It's his press conference and its for the benefit of the fans not the papers.
He is the Godfather of English football, he can do as he please!
Didn't he say those two were the ones behind the story about him and Rooney not speaking? He must have felt that one was particularly damaging or insulting to him. As I said, not necessarily more of a lie, it just pissed him off more.
It's what makes me sceptical about denials. He's ok with papers reporting Rooney's leaving but to suggest they're not speaking is enough to ban them. It all seems very selective.
You've got very low standards if you thought that was proper investigative journalism. That was vacuous and presumptuous nonsense from start to finish, that made Michael Moore look like Bob Woodward.
If the likes of us can go on Getty Images' site & see (in just about every training session pictured) the squad, Wayne, SAF etc having a great time and obviously getting on well, why can't these so-called professional journalists do the same?
Exactly. Frankly have have to be pretty gullible to take what SAF says without a bucket load of salt.
How would you know if it's a lie or not?
I don't know if it's a lie or not, the word "necessarily" in my post conveys that. I just don't think the level of truthfulness is the factor. He denied a lot of stories, he only banned the writers of those ones.
Which 5% are we keeping?
We disagree about that, as on so much. Anyway that's still not the point. Why shouldn't his son be subject to scrutiny for the deals he does? As I said if he's got nothing to hide he should come out and defend himself. He isn't above investigation.
Those were the only ones the went from just speculation to factual claims.
Which is why the truthfulness would be paramount.
No one is above investigation, I wouldn't defend Fergie, never mind his son if I though that's what it was. But you're taking the word for the deed there by saying it was investigation.
All I saw was a botched character assassination, a string of half truths and wild assumptions masquerading as investigative journalism.
I don't know actually, you might be right.
That is demonstrably true. He's earned that over the years I guess.
I know little about the case in question, but...who could blame SAF for wanting nothing to do with the BBC after that?
Objective people Steve, ruthless, unbiased, completely rational and proud of it.
Ever taking the side of anyone but the team they support or it's manager.
The point is, in that instance, the quality of the report or his feelings about it aren't really relevant. He was contractually obliged to speak to the Beeb, a huge and diverse organisation, one with many different programmes and journalists working independently, with no knowledge of what others are doing. Refusing to talk to motd was quite petulant, really, with no bearing on the report into his son. Which, again, I thought was justified.
This is irrelevant to the question of Rooney. My only point, which I didn't want to get so bogged down in, is SAF doesn't cover himself in glory in his dealings with the press. But the press are no angels themselves, obviously, so I can't say I lose any sleep over it.
Lawton's article was particularly vicious towards Rooney, and the Mail have been engaging in hatchet job after hatchet job on the lad. He should have banned Mark Ogden from the Telegraph too. An awful lot of the stories have been absolutely brutal about Rooney, not stopping far short of calling him a flop.
A gentle reminder here that we (and more importantly they) are talking about a number 10 with a goalscoring record not far short of the greatest number 9 who ever played for the club. If Wayne Rooney's been a let-down for Manchester United then so was Dennis Law.
That's fair enough. However, if (for example) The Mirror investigated a family member of mine then I wouldn't appreciate it. The Mirror isn't just about sport, of course, but nevertheless I wouldn't be in a rush to deal with them again, contracted or otherwise.
True enough.
...if there was any doubt about the media and the ABU agenda.
...and our own supporters not understanding his non inclusion against Real was pure tactics. for some who consider RVP...now the most important player...if he had been dropped I suppose they will think he is off??
so the media play up this 'he is off' nonsense and many buy into it.
Trust the manager.
...and our own supporters not understanding his non inclusion against Real was pure tactics. for some who consider RVP...now the most important player...if he had been dropped I suppose they will think he is off??
so the media play up this 'he is off' nonsense and many buy into it.
Trust the manager.
I suggest the hair.
We could keep it as a monument to modern technology.
My view is Rooney will be at United until his legs go, then he'll see out his career back at Everton.
agree.
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