Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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RVP was pretty isolated most the game. Dont think Rooney would of faired any better.
 
Adam-Utd said:
RVP was pretty isolated most the game. Dont think Rooney would of faired any better.
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Yes Rooney probably would have done better as he'd have dropped deeper and had a bigger impact on the game.
 
wr8_utd said:
Yes Rooney probably would have done better as he'd have dropped deeper and had a bigger impact on the game.
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I thought about that, do you think that could have been why Sir Alex went with RvP? Rooney would've inevitably began dropping deeper and taking away our outlet up top. Could've been another tactical reason Sir Alex went with RvP.
 
Varun_Utd said:
He has but he isnt as good at it as RVP is. Close control, holding it up, wriggling between players, dribbling, RVP is better at it all and makes a much better option when we're setup to play the way we were in both legs. I dont agree on the RVP out of form bit. he was never going to score every game the way he started. He's been fine. not scoring i know but his play has been top notch. Was superb in the away leg for instant even though he missed a sitter. one of the major reasons we got the draw.



one off. he was fantastic at the bernebau even though he didnt score. even yesterday, he was good i thought. not by his standards though obviously.
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This. Even though he's not been at his goalscoring best, Rvp has still been class in his overall play. Also, things were going perfectly to plan, why would we want Rooney instead of him? He was holding the ball up well and kept setting welbeck through on forward bursts. Fergie got it all spot on.
 
wr8_utd said:
Yes Rooney probably would have done better as he'd have dropped deeper and had a bigger impact on the game.
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You don't want your striker uptop dropping deep. You want him making things happen up front, holding the ball up and helping set attacks off.
 
As I said after the first game, Rooney was awfull defensively in first game, Real's biggest chances came after he didn't track back Coentrao 2 or 3 times. And that is weird, because he is excellent defensively when playing as a winger.

Feel sorry about him because SAF dropped him, I haven't saw that coming, especially if we were going 4231 as we did. If we played 433, I wouldn't be surprised to see him dropped.

Still think he plays good season overall(better than last one), shame about the injuries, but he will bounce back.
 
I still don't think Rooney is going anywhere. He's not be our best player any more but he's still great, why would we sell him? The only ways I can see him going is a) if he starts acting up because he was dropped, b) more contract disputes, or c) we get a ridiculous offer from some mega-rich club. Can't see either of those happening.

Having said that, if everything was right with Rooney he wouldn't have been dropped yesterday. A few years ago he really was indispensable, even to the extent that we were playing him when he hadn't fully recovered from a broken foot. These days it's RVP who we'd play even if he was on one leg, not Rooney. Hell, even someone like Carrick is more important for the team at the moment, though obviously that is more to do with lack of alternatives. Still, I think it's okay for us to ask why Rooney isn't as important and indispensable to the team as we know he can be. Is it simply a case of Rooney having a temporary dip in form at a time when there are good alternatives? Or are we looking at a more serious issue such as physical problems/mentality problems? I've seen it suggested that Rooney is a) having big difficulties maintaining fitness, b) doesn't have a good relationship with Ferguson as a result of the contract dispute, or c) has issues in terms of mentality and confidence. Is there any chance any of these things are true?

Personally I think it's a case of us having great alternatives to Rooney at a time when he isn't playing as well as he can. However, if any of the other theories were true then maybe Rooney would be sold. Truth is none of us really know for sure, we can only make guesses.
 
I thought this idea that Rooney was somehow more important than every other player in the squad died with his little contract rebellion?

He wasn't the only player left out last night. He wasn't even the most unlucky to be. Evans was. Hernandez played no part in either leg. Young and Valencia didn't start either game. Get over it, basically.

I would have started him, but he's not been good enough this season to justify some kind of furore at him being left out, when the players who were picked ahead of him were all good players in good form.
 
If Rooney had started it would have been ahead of welbeck, and that would have been the wrong decision given how welbeck played.
 
gza the genius said:
Read through a few pages before the game yesterday, a large amount of posters still feel he is our most important player and completely irreplaceable.
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For me he is still our most important player. But yesterday Fergie proved to be correct once again with his selections.
 
Who says Rooney wouldn't have played well?

What a nonsense assumption to make as he was very good in the Norwich game and was responsible for 3 of the 4 goals we scored.

I thought Welbeck was exceptional but that doesn't hide from the fact that the decision to leave out Rooney was bizarre. And most people were saying it in the match day thread, even the ones who have an agenda against him and are being "objective" right now.
 
Forevergiggs said:
Who says Rooney wouldn't have played well?

What a nonsense assumption to make as he was very good in the Norwich game and was responsible for 3 of the 4 goals we scored.

I thought Welbeck was exceptional but that doesn't hide from the fact that the decision to leave out Rooney was bizarre. And most people were saying it in the match day thread, even the ones who have an agenda against him and are being "objective" right now.
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Why was it bizarre ? Where would you have played him? And didn't our performance till the red vindicate fergie's selection?
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Wrong, she is a non entity with nothing of any use to say and needs to keep her gob shut about team affairs.
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She can say whatever the feck she wants. Shes a person like everyone else. fecking idiots thinking that everything else should take the back seat to football. Its "her husband affairs" as well, pretty relevant for her to talk about.
 
Though I would've liked to have seen him start, I can see why he didn't. Giggs was a boss on the right coming in, Nani was doing well on the left with his pace, and Welbeck was did a great job on Alonso and also provided runs from deep past the last line of defence that Rooney would'nt have offered. He wasn't great when he came on, but I'm sure he'll start against Chelsea.
 
Forevergiggs said:
Who says Rooney wouldn't have played well?

What a nonsense assumption to make as he was very good in the Norwich game and was responsible for 3 of the 4 goals we scored.

I thought Welbeck was exceptional but that doesn't hide from the fact that the decision to leave out Rooney was bizarre. And most people were saying it in the match day thread, even the ones who have an agenda against him and are being "objective" right now.
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It's very weird. I could understand everyone's reactions if Rooney were playing badly at the moment, but he's not. He's in good form and was excellent against Norwich, linking everything together and getting an excellent two assists and a goal.

Whether or not Fergie made the right decision, there's no doubt in my mind that it was an unexpected one and not to do with Rooney's own form. Welbeck played well, but Rooney is still the better player by some way. It was a tactical decision.
 
Sir Alex said that Welbeck is the best forward in our squad at man-marking a player (Alonso) in his pre-match interview. It seems a simple enough reason to me, I don't know why people are making such a fuss.
 
Brosstan said:
He was non-existant. Compare his contribution and drive to the much less experienced and objectively less talented player in Welbeck.

If that RVP contribution had been Rooney he would have been slagged off no end. Rooneys contribution in the first leg was better than RVP's last night
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That's ridiculous. Rooney was rubbish in the first leg. Rvp was definitely not poor last night. He held the ball up very well and put welbeck through into space quite often.
 
Brosstan said:
She can say whatever the feck she wants. Shes a person like everyone else. fecking idiots thinking that everything else should take the back seat to football. Its "her husband affairs" as well, pretty relevant for her to talk about.
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Ok then lets get your girlfriend/wife to go on twitter and publicly question your bosses decisions and see how long before at best you are on a disciplinery for gross misconduct and/or fired
 
Brosstan said:
She can say whatever the feck she wants. Shes a person like everyone else. fecking idiots thinking that everything else should take the back seat to football. Its "her husband affairs" as well, pretty relevant for her to talk about.
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And Id go more towards fecking idiots thinking anyone gives a pink minty feck what they have to say on twitter. She can talk about it all she wants in private, you dont discuss the clubs affairs in public, if a player did it they would be on the end of the hairdryer so why should their spouses be any different.
 
Cina said:
Sir Alex said that Welbeck is the best forward in our squad at man-marking a player (Alonso) in his pre-match interview. It seems a simple enough reason to me, I don't know why people are making such a fuss.
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This is the first time I can think of that Rooney has been dropped from a really important game, before he's always been guaranteed to start if fit.

I personally don't think it's a big deal but I can see why others would.
 
Brightonian said:
It's very weird. I could understand everyone's reactions if Rooney were playing badly at the moment, but he's not. He's in good form and was excellent against Norwich, linking everything together and getting an excellent two assists and a goal.

Whether or not Fergie made the right decision, there's no doubt in my mind that it was an unexpected one and not to do with Rooney's own form. Welbeck played well, but Rooney is still the better player by some way. It was a tactical decision.
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It was but that doesn't mean it would have been "wrong" to start Rooney.

We'll never what would have happened with him in the team or with a different formation. I just feel your best players are better on the field than on the bench in such an important fixture.
 
Brosstan said:
He was non-existant. Compare his contribution and drive to the much less experienced and objectively less talented player in Welbeck.

If that RVP contribution had been Rooney he would have been slagged off no end. Rooneys contribution in the first leg was better than RVP's last night
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He did as well as he could have, up top largely on his own against Real. He didn't play badly, he was just isolated for most of the game. Welbeck was on the wing.
 
He was benched for one game, and suddenly he's off?

Cop onto yourselves, lads.
 
gza the genius said:
This is the first time I can think of that Rooney has been dropped from a really important game, before he's always been guaranteed to start if fit.

I personally don't think it's a big deal but I can see why others would.
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In footballing terms I think it is a big deal. Two biggest games of the season and he's marginalised. It'll certainly be a big deal for him. I had no problem with the managers decision but it is a significant shift and echoes the end of Beckham's time here.
 
Forevergiggs said:
It was but that doesn't mean it would have been "wrong" to start Rooney.

We'll never what would have happened with him in the team or with a different formation. I just feel your best players are better on the field than on the bench in such an important fixture.
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The only evidence you can use is what actually happened in the game and up until the red we were completely in control (in a sense that they had very few good chances) and we were a goal up.
 
Not sure what you're getting at, but good one.
 
MrMojo said:
It'll certainly be a big deal for him.
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This is the only worry, is Rooney mature enough to deal with being left out? It's a squad game and he needs to be able to recognize that our tactics worked. It doesn't mean he isn't one of our best players and he needs to recognize that. We can't start Rooney every game for fear of pissing him off though, that's for sure.
 
gza the genius said:
This is the only worry, is Rooney mature enough to deal with being left out? It's a squad game and he needs to be able to recognize that our tactics worked. It doesn't mean he isn't one of our best players and he needs to recognize that. We can't start Rooney every game for fear of pissing him off though, that's for sure.
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Agree and if it was any other player I wouldn't think anything of it but this is the guy who questioned the ambition of the club. With that context I'm not entirely confident he'll be here next year. I said a month ago that I think we've seen Rooney's best and I don't see him performing at the highest level into his thirties. For once I think the rumour mill might have some truth to it.
 
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