He's off in the summer. We'd have shifted him last year except there were no takers, I reckon.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I think it was a real sign that Fergie's trust in Rooney has waned slightly and that is not a good sign for him.
A few years ago we rushed through an unfit Rooney almost desperately to face Munich.
A few years ago we rushed through an unfit Rooney almost desperately to face Munich.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ferguson wanted to move him on, but I would be surprised to see Rooney take up the move to live in another country. I just can't see him leaving, because he'd only be going abroad
Where would he go to though?
Never quite felt the same about Rooney after what he did a few seasons ago, still a quality player mind.
Never quite felt the same about Rooney after what he did a few seasons ago, still a quality player mind.
It takes a long, long, long time for people to realise that football is a squad game. You utilise your squad depending on the tactics you want to use. Ferguson and Phelan had clear tactics last night to stop Real, which worked.
Seriously, our tactics took Real by complete surprise. It's not a case of Rooney being dropped, it was a case of we wanted to win the game and our plan to win the game didn't involve Rooney starting. But the media loves a good story, it's a decent excuse for Rooney if he does want out though.
Leaving him on the bench was down to tactics and I am sure Fergie would have explained it to him before the team was announced, I doubt we would be talking about him leaving in the summer if we had won last night.
Exactly. It's like Rooney has a god given right to start every game?. He was IMO useless in that role against Madrid in the first leg, fergie obviously agreed which is why he didnt start. Rvp IMO is a better lone striker than Rooney, he holds the ball and links up with his back to goal better.
Rooney on his game is a brilliant player as we all know, but why use square legs in round holes?, his ability isn't so amazing that it's worth playing
Him in any random position just to have him on.
If we didnt get the red he would of been on for rvp, and probably Valencia or kagawa for 1 of the wide men for a last all out blast at RM.
The card messed the plans up, but the gameplan was tactically perfect. We made them look toothless personally, how many times can you say that with others?.
France (PSG) is just across the English Channel. What do you think this is, the Middle Ages?
Whether he goes or not, there is no doubt in my mind that important though he has been to United, when did he last ignite a top top game?
And if anyone brings up the CL final goal, may I suggest that Rooney was otherwise anonymous that evening (along with the rest of the team).
PSG remains the big rumour. I find it all bizzare, but i suspect its a case of "no smoke without fire".
They dealt him in with a new contract when we didn't have anyone else to rely on. Not so now. And Fergie never forgets those who have crossed him from past experience.
Its also the case that as he gets older, his fitness may becomoe a problem - a bigger chance for him given he's been playing since the age of 16. I'm not convinced he'll go but a big offer may be tempting for the club - especially if they have big plans to repalce him.
Can we at least put to bed the myth that Rooney is our most important player and that he is irreplaceable? The hyperbole from some people before this game was ridiculous. There were people saying that no matter how bad Rooney plays he makes the team play better and he is still our most influential player just by being on the pitch.
Obviously last night was a tactical decision and nothing against Rooney's ability but if Rooney truly was irreplaceable and our most important player he would have started.
Obviously last night was a tactical decision and nothing against Rooney's ability but if Rooney truly was irreplaceable and our most important player he would have started.
It would be very shocking to see Rooney leave United.
Yes mate it's the Middle Ages. fecking tit.
It's more about moving you kids and pregnant wife to another country, to another house, doctors, schools and whatever. It's not that hard to grasp that some people would rather not do it unless necessary.
And he was as influential as possible in the CL final. Last year we went out in Europe but he got 2 in the cup at City, and 2 in the league this season at City again. Off the top of my head.
It was shockingly brave. Our collective 'pub' theory at the time was that Fergie sensed Rooney was overly pumped and might be at risk of getting sent off.
If Rooney had been in Welbeck's position he'd have scored a couple tho. And THAT is a haunting fact
If Rooney had been in Welbeck's position he'd have scored a couple tho. And THAT is a haunting fact
If Rooney had been in Welbeck's position he'd have scored a couple tho. And THAT is a haunting fact
Bit OTT to call it a fact to be honest. And he probably would have done a far worse job on Alonso which would have meant that Di Maria and Ronaldo would have performed better in the first half.
Not so much its the middle ages, more that he can barely speak english.......and you expect him to learn french?
I take it you didn't watch this years Derby? Or most of the big games last year? Or many of our knockout stage CL matches in recent years?
I really hope he puts in another MOTM performance on Sunday and the "It won't be that bad if we sell him" Brigade and the "He's off in the summer" brigade wind it in for atleast another 7 days.
the fact that its haunting is a fact, not the guarantee of goals (which is impossible - fact)
Can you really see him end his career at United? He will go but I think Fergie will try and get at least another two years out of Rooney.
he was our most important player and irreplaceable till last season. Things have changed since RVP has arrived. Too much is being made out of it anyways, Rooney will take this as a challenge. You can bet on him starting each and every one of our remaining league games bar the odd one.
The day he leaves I really hope you have someone to sit on suicide watch with you.
There are a lot more haunting actual facts from last night than playing Rooney instead of a player that outperformed him in the 1st leg.
It was shockingly brave. Our collective 'pub' theory at the time was that Fergie sensed Rooney was overly pumped and might be at risk of getting sent off.
If Rooney had been in Welbeck's position he'd have scored a couple tho. And THAT is a haunting fact
Rubbish. We don't know what would have happened had Rooney played from the start, he might have scored, maybe not but there is no haunting fact about it, you're acting like Welbeck didn't give an incredible performance. What we do know though is that Welbeck came on and did more in this leg than Wayne did over both.
Same for you if he retires here. Get a grip both of you. Weirdo Rooney extremists.
Welbeck unlike Rooney actually did contribute a couple of goals over both legs (goal and an assist).
Now now hectic, You have been here long enough to know that Rooney is up there with Messi and Ronaldo and SURELY would have won the game for us had he started despite all evidence to the contrary.
Why would that bother me.......he'd be retired......the end result is the same.
The day he leaves (which I don't see happening anytime soon) I'll respect him for everything he's achieved for us all these years and salute him as one of our greatest players ever and not attempt to rewrite history like some here seem to do with Rooney.
I don't really get why we'd sell him. The only logical thing I could think off would be a swap (with money) for Ronaldo.
He has been an integral part of the team since the past 6-7 years now. Yes, we do have replacements in for him, and have stopped relying on him like we did a couple of seasons ago, but time and time again, people have talked about how he can be the highest goalscorer at United, etc etc. So yes, in that regard, it would be shocking for him to leave.
Also, he is one of the experienced players in our squad at the moment. And with Giggs, Scholes, Rio all on the wrong side of 30, I don't think letting him go would be the right idea.
As will I.
Tactically the decision to play Welbeck over Rooney was fine but I wish he'd played over RvP. He's been in better form than the Dutchman over the last 7 games or so and has a proven track record in the CL knockout rounds.
Well Rooney played around 90 mins in the entire tie and got one assist and set up one brilliant chance for RvP in the first leg.
Its certainly a valid point, Personally I think given how much football both have played, current form of both etc a half each might have been the way to go.
I could go either way about RvP over Rooney. RvP was certainly much better than Rooney at Madrid so maybe that's why Sir Alex went with him. Either decision would have been justified, Rooney has been more productive of late but his actual form hasn't exactly been great. It was a tough decision and who knows if Rooney would've done any better than RvP had he started.
no way should he lead the line over RVP in an important match. RVP is far better at it.
Why not? He's done a very good job for us leading the line many times in recent years. He even did it quite well just last year. And besides, RvP hasn't even been in the best of form off late.
RvP was probably our worst player yesterday though.
I dont think theres that much in it although I do agree that RVP is slightly better at it.
He has but he isnt as good at it as RVP is. Close control, holding it up, wriggling between players, dribbling, RVP is better at it all and makes a much better option when we're setup to play the way we were in both legs. I dont agree on the RVP out of form bit. he was never going to score every game the way he started. He's been fine. not scoring i know but his play has been top notch. Was superb in the away leg for instant even though he missed a sitter. one of the major reasons we got the draw.
one off. he was fantastic at the bernebau even though he didnt score. even yesterday, he was good i thought. not by his standards though obviously.
Fair point and with hindsight it may have been better to play Rooney over RVP due to form. But given the context of the season I can't blame Fergie for going for what might have seemed like the safer option on paper.
Don't blame wr8, Rooney's his hero.
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