However, even SAF said, Rooney needs a few games... he isn't at his usual self.
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However, even SAF said, Rooney needs a few games... he isn't at his usual self.
Exactly, it really does look that simple. Plech said it earlier too, people respond to players being dropped like it can only mean they are inferior to the player starting. Happened with Nani and others through the start of the season too.
If he was so indispensable, he would have played. For a player previously rated alongside Messi and Ronaldo, you don't think he would have played if he was genuinely at that level?
If the ref hadn't mucked things up. No one would care that Rooney started on the bench. For I bet the idea was to bring on Rooney and Kagawa late on to kill off the game, as Real searched for a goal. And given Rooney and Kagawa's form against Norwich. I bet it would have worked.
SAF doesn't have to tell us or the media his real reasoning. Rooney has been a constant in the team, how does he need games?
I see Jamie Redknapp jumped on Keano's "the writings on the wall" bandwagon in his little piece in the Daily Mail and said that he cannot see how Fergie's relationship with Rooney will recover.
Where do they get this from?
Where do they get this from?
You don't drop your best players is a pretty regular quote on here, and it's even more evident for the biggest game of the season with the whole world watching.
I hope it was purely tactical but something is not feeling right to me.
Rooney said he was leaving last year due to the fact we werent signing world class players.
Then we sign one and Rooney finds himself dropped for the biggest match at Old Trafford in years. He must have felt so feckin angry in that dressing room and I hear his wife was on Twitter commenting on it, which wont help. Im not on Twitter so I dont know.
I just get this feeling Rooney will either leave or be told he is leaving. he is not the centre of attention anymore so Lets see how his character stands up to getting dropped last night.
Rooney said he was leaving last year due to the fact we werent signing world class players.
Then we sign one and Rooney finds himself dropped for the biggest match at Old Trafford in years. He must have felt so feckin angry in that dressing room and I hear his wife was on Twitter commenting on it, which wont help. Im not on Twitter so I dont know.
I just get this feeling Rooney will either leave or be told he is leaving. he is not the centre of attention anymore so Lets see how his character stands up to getting dropped last night.
When i saw the line-up last night i was also confused. Having said that I thought Wellbeck was unbelievable with his pace and caused allsorts of problems. I think that if we had our full compliment (11) playing and Rooney comes on with 20 minutes remaining we would have gone through.
Horses for courses?
The world was not watching due to Rooney alone.
It's a squad game these days. I repeat, the coaches had the tactics working perfectly. I don't remember De Gea having to make a save, and Welbeck doing a great job both stopping Alonso and himself being dangerous in the attack.
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/04/03/man-united-1-2-chelsea-tactics-anelka-drogba-strikers/
It's not exactly unprecedented for a team to drop their best player for tactical reasons. And if Rooney isn't our best who is? Some seem to think it's RVP, but there's been frighteningly little evidence of that in recent weeks.
To get form? Aware regarding SAF and his intentions with the press, he say's whatever comes to his head IMO to fobb them off.
However, Rooney of late hasn't been good, the 2nd half against Norwich before RM was better but Rooney hasn't been as good as he can be this season IMO and it's not a reflection of this decision but my feelings towards Rooney unfortunately.
I am one of the people that fall in the category of, he is a brilliant player but very form/tempermental. People speak of how he has matured, but I still though when CR did that backheel towards the end of the game with Rooney approaching, that Roo was going to just clean take him out... This isn't a slight on Rooney as he is a world class player at the end of they day, but for me this season has been one of his worst to date.
This is the bottom line. Rooney comes on as they are getting increasingly desperate looking for a goal, things open up a little at the back, it could have been a very interesting last 20 minutes or so.
This! We also needed fresh legs from quality players if the game went in to over time.
But Rooney's so good he's undroppable, and in a home match as well, 11 in 14 remember.
Why are people so fixed with naming a best player? Far as I'm concerned our best enitity is SAF, following him I would place Carrick as our most important, however I think to speak of a team's best players, you could put several of ours on a similar level IMO
Carrick, Vidic, Rooney, RVP and I expect that Kagawa/Nani could find their way onto that list soon, some have argued about Nani previously...
Carrick, Vidic, Rooney, RVP and I expect that Kagawa/Nani could find their way onto that list soon, some have argued about Nani previously...
You wouldn't get Messi and Ronaldo being dropped for a home game in the CL knockouts.
Didier Drogba scored 37 goals that season, and in the biggest match of the season, with the title on the line, he was dropped for tactical reasons.
I get it, you hate Wayne Rooney and will use any opportunity to deride him. Heck, when you heard he was dropped you were probably joining in the circle jerk with the lesser lights of fleet street, but using this as evidence that he's not our best player is weak as all hell when the man who has supposedly taken than mantle had a shocking night, yet again.
Many will say Rooney, just as many will say Van Persie or Vidic. Take the first two, you say there's been little to suggest RVP is our best player considering the past few weeks....So what about when Rooney goes on spells well past a month where he is bang out of form and nowhere near the best player on the pitch? We've seen that happen each season he's been here, which in your mind says what then? It's entirely subjective. Even the best players go through bad patches of form, sometimes Waynes our best player, other times he isn't.
Rooney isn't either of them.
He isn't even close to the level of those guys. Those two are on another planet when compared to the others. They are like the definition of undroppable. But like I said yesterday, when I saw the team sheet I was surprised but in due course the team did justify their selection because everything was going to plan and we were better than them until you know what happened.
I think Rooney will be more upset with Nani's inclusion. Wellbeck's in the starting lineup was purely tactical and visible for all the world to see, so Rooney would feel a twat if he questioned that, however Rooney could or should have started ahead of Nani. Rooney brings more quality in retaining possession, defensively when asked and CORNERS.
...and he deserves to play in our biggest game of our season.
...and he deserves to play in our biggest game of our season.
I'm not really arsed about who get's the Best Player title to be honest, they're all just cogs in a machine with some being more important than others.
But yes Rooney is criminally overrated on here and yes I was happy he didn't start
Playing Rooney out wide is pointless when you can play an in form natural winger there. Which Nani is.
People are reading too much into this. Only if Rooney doesn't face Chelsea can people start to have reason to fidget.
People are reading too much into this. Only if Rooney doesn't face Chelsea can people start to have reason to fidget.
But Nani is a better winger than Rooney and has more pace and trickery to trouble the opposition.
you missing the point. Rooney is to us what Ronaldo and Messi is to their clubs, and that is the person who can single-handedly win a game for their team. okay we have RVP as well, but on current form I'd argue Rooney edges it.
It was only the other week when Rooney said we had a fantastic squad with a good mix of young and experienced players (Mirror, the Sun). He knows very well how things are run at this club and that SAF will drop anyone to make sure he gets the balance in his XI right. We were in a very good position up until the red card and I'm sure had we won then no one would have questioned why he was sitting on the bench.
We are all disappointed. I would understand Rooney's frustration if he ever uttered it. But he also have to understand that patience is key and that there will be more important games coming up both in short and long term.
Ok look at it this way. Rooney when he played the first leg, I agree he was out of position, did not do a great job defensively. Maybe that played a part in Fergie not selecting him. Welbeck was kinda playing in the hole behind RVP. Welbeck justified his selection by doing a brilliant job of shadowing Alonso and not letting him get the ball and play his natural game.
Not mandatory to play a winger. Rooney is more direct.
and RvP given his recent form
But we did play two wingers though and playing with them is our biggest strength. Plus we needed wingers yesterday to help out the fullbacks in defense.
Agreed. If it were between Rooney and Wellbeck, then I agree Wellbeck seemed to sit better tactically, but should Nani have started ahead of Rooney?
I get what you say about the first leg but Rooney was in poor form then, i think he picked up his form since.
Just think of it as Rooney making more selfless sacrifices for the team, this time on the bench
did saf ever drop ronnie to get the 'balance right' after 2006?
No one in our team offers what RVP offers us in terms of hold up play up top on his own. Not Hernandez, not Rooney and not Welbeck. So it would have been stupid to drop RVP, especially on a night like yesterday when possession was everything.
Just think of it as Rooney making more selfless sacrifices for the team, this time on the bench
think of when he nets us 40-50 million quid, the sacrifice he will have given us then.
You keep going back to the point of playing Rooney on the wing. You could argue that we could have played a different formation like a diamond, which would have been disastrous by the way. But Fergie DECIDED to go with wingers in a 4-2-3-1 formation. So when you have decided to go with wingers why not play a specialist winger, someone who has played there all their career instead of someone who hasn't played on the wing that often.
For a start if Rooney wants to stay he needs to have a word with his wife and tell her to keep her gob shut on twitter, SAF will not put up with much of that.
Secondly, what does he want.....he wanted us to sign better players or so the pro Rooney brigade will have you believe and he ISNT a mercenary little scrote. So.....we did......we signed a better forward and now he was on the bench.....be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
Secondly, what does he want.....he wanted us to sign better players or so the pro Rooney brigade will have you believe and he ISNT a mercenary little scrote. So.....we did......we signed a better forward and now he was on the bench.....be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
I'm not 'missing the point' you seem to think your opinion is fact, my opinion is that Rooney isn't our Messi or Ronaldo, my view is we don't have 1 standout player...
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