Virgil van Dijk | VVD throws a hissy fit

[KM]

Like Lukaku, I like him but the prices involved makes me happy that we are going for other options.

All this spending on centerback really makes me glad about Bailly and Rojo. For around 50m pounds, we got a very good center back pairing.

 

[SAFicus]

Surely they are selling someone to be able to afford this? I mean 60m for a defender and 200k wages per week. Maybe Coutinho is going?

That would be terrible business. The equivalent of us releasing Zlatan and bringing in lindelof as a direct replacement. Coutinho won them so many points this season they'd need more than salah to replace his goal threat.

 

[Catt]

Seems to be more people in denial than thinking that

Denial about what exactly?

 

[KM]

Denial about what exactly?

I think we're all supposed to pretend that we rate him as a top class defender.

 

[dasty]

Lmao he had never played for a top club, never played in CL, looks good for Southampton but Lovren was the same, yet costs £60m and 200k p/w? I know he played well for Celtic too, but it's hard to not look good when you play for by far the best team in Scotland with no one even close to the level they play at.

Coutinho is only 150k p/w, so if they sign VVD they are going to have to give a pay raise to the likes of Firmino, Coutinho, Mane etc. with Emre Can demanding more during his contract negotiations too (yes, his current deal is expiring in 2018). I mean, £60m and increasing your payroll by at least 300-400k p/w (including the wage demands that their key players will ask for, definitely) for a player that really have not proven himself in the highest level is a massive risk. If it was Man Utd doing this deal the whole media will be calling us fools and crazy.

 

[RobinLFC]

Like Lukaku, I like him but the prices involved makes me happy that we are going for other options.

All this spending on centerback really makes me glad about Bailly and Rojo. For around 50m pounds, we got a very good center back pairing.

If we get Van Dijk for £50m, our center back pairing will also have cost £50m.

 

[strandty]

 

[starman]

He was my preference to come here, that said, i hope he fails. And 60m, jeez, 35m would be the absolute top they should be paying

 

[SwansonsTache]

Two year transfer ban please

 

[Bwuk]

Must be annoying for Southampton fans, every year Liverpool come in and nick there best players.

 

[TrueRed79]

The joy i would get from the piles getting a transfer ban over this.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

They'll probably get a £1.5m fine, paid over 10 years.

They'll still be able to pony up the £180m to buy Van Dijk. Might need to get rid of Sturridge to pay VVD's £2m p/w wages though.

 

[KM]

So this will drag on then. Good.

 

[Scarecrow]

I understand it's humiliating and all that but you've got to leave the emotional side to the fans. Club should be pragmatic in my opinion and I'd bite the hand off anyone offering me 60 million for VVD, in all honesty. Looking at it objectively.

He's really not worth the hassle. They can buy the entire Dutch league with that money.

 

[WPMUFC]

United should make a cheeky bid now just to scare the ever living shit out of their fans.

 

[Cutch]

Denial about what exactly?

I think we're all supposed to pretend that we rate him as a top class defender.

I think he's fantastic. I don't expect everyone to rate him as highly as i do but i would expect him to significantly improve Liverpools centre defence which has been a problem position for years. It also protects their flappy keeper having the man that's won the most aerial duels in the league in front of him. With him still being pretty young, premiership proven and solving a problem position £50-60 million is well worth it imo.

 

[Maradona10]

Everyone on his now.

 

[Scarecrow]

United should make a cheeky bid now just to scare the ever living shit out of their fans.

Might be worth giving them a call asking if they really want to feck with the scousers - sell him to us for less than they offer.

 

[Murray3007]

when we see Stones go for 50mil what do people expect when a player who can actually defend and is better on the ball then stones, VVD is still pretty young as well, think he would be a massive improvement on pools defence, the fee is high but as is most transfers now a days.

 

[Thisistheone]

20 point deduction seems the fairest outcome to me, along with a 3 year transfer ban

 

[Scarecrow]

when we see Stones go for 50mil what do people expect when a player who can actually defend and is better on the ball then stones, VVD is still pretty young as well, think he would be a massive improvement on pools defence, the fee is high but as is most transfers now a days.

That's a dangerous road to go down to - using bad transfers as a benchmark to justify more bad transfers. I don't agree that this is the standard and if it ever becomes one clubs should look for alternatives - better scouting for example. Southampton signed that same VVD for 13 million 2 years ago.

 

[Ole90+3]

Is it still a breach of the rules to contact a player before officially notifying the contracted club? I thought this might have been widely accepted in this day and age.

What kind of punishment might Liverpool get if found PL do carry out an investigation and find them guilty?

 

[dwd]

 

[JustFootballFan]

Everyone on his now.

Well given theire recent history it´s understandable that Liverpool forgot that they have to ask. They just order from the catalogue and send the money.

 

[RobinLFC]

Is it still a breach of the rules to contact a player before officially notifying the contracted club? I thought this might have been widely accepted in this day and age.

What kind of punishment might Liverpool get if found PL do carry out an investigation and find them guilty?

6 year transfer ban, £60m fine and 6 points deduction for the 17/18 season.

 

[Murray3007]

That's a dangerous road to go down to - using bad transfers as a benchmark to justify more bad transfers.

how else could you judge the fee ? surely has to be with the other highest and latest transfer fee's ? if your southampton chairman and have a player better then one who went for £50m what are you going to do ask for less ?

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Doesn't the use of intermediaries make 'tapping up' near impossible to clamp down on now?

Liverpool contacts Mr Agent, who in this fictitious example represents a number of players, a couple of Liverpool players, and one being VVD. Mr Agent then contacts VVD. They speak about personal matters. VVD now wants Liverpool move. How do you stop that? You'd have to have the phone of every registered football agent tapped, and have some sort of underground monitoring headquarters, like in The Wire.

Better yet, Wijnaldum puts a little word in VVD's ear on international duty. You can't stop that.

If Barcelona weren't punished for having their players pull a Barca shirt over the head of Cesc Fabregas, then I'd be surprised if Liverpool get anything aimed at them.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

A couple of weeks ago, I heard a whisper from somebody who personally knows Klopp that he was talking to players behind their respective club's backs.

Hopefully he gets found guilty in the end. Horrible bloke he is, with a stupid fake camera smile

 

[WPMUFC]

Doesn't the use of intermediaries make 'tapping up' near impossible to clamp down on now?

Liverpool contacts Mr Agent, who in this fictitious example represents a number of players, a couple of Liverpool players, and one being VVD. Mr Agent then contacts VVD. They speak about personal matters. VVD now wants Liverpool move. How do you stop that? You'd have to have the phone of every registered football agent tapped, and have some sort of underground monitoring headquarters, like in The Wire.

Better yet, Wijnaldum puts a little word in VVD's ear on international duty. You can't stop that.

If Barcelona weren't punished for having their players pull a Barca shirt over the head of Cesc Fabregas, then I'd be surprised if Liverpool get anything aimed at them.

If i'm reading this story right, Southampton seem to be basing their "evidence" on the fact that there have bee zero official talks between the clubs, yet liverpool journos and supposedly VVD are bragging about klopp's influence in the deal.

get the popcorn ready

 

[dwd]

A couple of weeks ago, I heard a whisper from somebody who personally knows Klopp that he was talking to players behind their respective club's backs.

Hopefully he gets found guilty in the end. Horrible bloke he is, with a stupid fake camera smile

Don't go full RAWK mate

 

[PickledRed]

Must be annoying for Southampton fans, every year Liverpool come in and nick there best players.

Annoying or simply a very good business model

 

[Scarecrow]

how else could you judge the fee ? surely has to be with the other highest and latest transfer fee's ? if your southampton chairman and have a player better then one who went for £50m what are you going to do ask for less ?

I think the benchmark should be closer to the average (obviously slightly above) than the highest point. That has been the case up until now. The chairman should ask for as much as he thinks anyone would pay, or more - in case he doesn't want to sell. The final price is set by both parties though. Poor deals like the one for Stones should just be disregarded. Only the successful ones should be used as justification for future decisions.

 

[KM]

Laughter aside, if they are just asking for investigation in this deal just because the media reported, then they'll have no case at all.

 

[Cassidy]

Everyone on his now.

Didnt they complain about Clynne too?

 

[Scarecrow]

Laughter aside, if they are just asking for investigation in this deal just because the media reported, then they'll have no case at all.

It seems like that to me. More of a PR move.

 

[DanClancy]

It was only just a year ago he signed a 6 year contract, obviously signing a contract of that length gives him financial security for the rest of his life but you'd have thought his agent would made some sort of agreement with Soton if another club came in for him. I'm not sure whether release clauses are allowed in a contract for player based over here? Even if there not surely he could have it written in the contract with regards to talking to other clubs if they offer a certain fee. £60m is a ridiculous amount to offer for a player like Van Dyk so he only has his agent to blame if the move doesn't materialise.

 

[roonster09]

Laughter aside, if they are just asking for investigation in this deal just because the media reported, then they'll have no case at all.

Looks like some PR move, they will sell him to Liverpool anyways.

 

[prath92]

how else could you judge the fee ? surely has to be with the other highest and latest transfer fee's ? if your southampton chairman and have a player better then one who went for £50m what are you going to do ask for less ?

Stones was younger and was also HG.

 

[red thru&thru]

This is a ploy from Saints to get the extra few million from Lfc, that they won't pay. Nothing to see here.

 

[WPMUFC]

Laughter aside, if they are just asking for investigation in this deal just because the media reported, then they'll have no case at all.

With many of the stories also containing the line that the reason for van Dijk’s desire to join Liverpool was because of Jurgen Klopp’s involvement in his recruitment, Saints believe it constitutes an illegal approach.

It seems to be based on the well know liverpool reporterss all reporting that klopp was personally involved. This and the fact that Southampton have supposedly said there has been zero official contact between the clubs.