One hell of a deal for Southampton. The amount of money they receive from transfers is truly astonishing.
Virgil van Dijk | OFFICIAL: Liverpool agree £75m fee (£70m upfront) with Southampton
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Maybe he was comparing them as CB's so yes VVD will be better than Lukaku. I am really disappointed with Lukaku as a CB.
Excellent signing but lets not underrate our own please. Jones and Bailey is as good as VDV on the ball.
Hows his injury record?
I'm not saying all our spending hasn't been wise.
Since Mourinho took over,
Pogba was a good buy
Ibrahimovic was good last season but bringing him back was a poor decision
Lindelof, the jury is still out on him
Mhikitaryan seemed like a good buy but he's not a Mourinho type of player and has been a bad buy for us.
Matic was a good buy
Lukaku was a good buy but we are not playing to his strengths which is providing crosses and creating more chances for him to score
Bailly was a good buy
We need to decide on a formation and then work towards determining whether we have quality players for that position. And not buy players and then hope that they excel in the formation Mourinho decides to go with. (eg: Mhiktariyan is not a bad player at all but the formation and tactics employed by Mourinho just doesn't sit well with him)
Mata is being played out of position (Better at No. 10)
Rashford is being played out of position (Better as a ST)
Martial is being played out of position (Better as a ST)
Mhikitaryan was played out of position most of the time (Better as a AM/ No. 10)
Lukaku has been played out of position to accommodate Zlatan (Better as an out and out ST)
The question we need to ask is who do we actually need?
Does Griezmann fit into our style of play?
Does Dybala fit into our style of play?
Do we need our wingers to be all inverted who cut in?
Should we always depend on our wing backs or full backs to provide width? Valencia is not a great crosser of the ball and Ashley Young is not naturally left footed.....
What is our main formation? Is it 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 or 3-5-2?
All I am saying is that Liverpool have a fixed formation that they employ at the moment and they are buying personnel accordingly whereas we are just buying players hoping that would do the trick.
I honestly don't care if Liverpool or any other fans criticize us. What I am saying is that we need to learn from our competitors. City and Liverpool are doing something right and if we need to get better, we need to learn from everyone. They are playing a much better brand of football than we are at the moment.
I wonder if the media will start questioning why Liverpool aren't title contenders if this transfer happens?
Because they're spending a lot of money as well now.
Because they're spending a lot of money as well now.
When he was at his best he’s better than any of ours. But Christ that’s expensive
Should improve now his transfer has gone through.
I did not underrate our players. Read my post carefully. All I said is that Van Dijk was a terrific buy for Liverpool as they were addressing their weaknesses and we should do the same.
Good player, but for that price I would look elsewhere.
Silly money but a good signing, he and Keita are good defensive additions for them. I hope they still suffer from poor defensive tactics/drilling because they're slowly improving their personnel.
These transfers were just a matter fo time, we should be happy they've at least had to wait and had to pay top dollar to complete the deals.
These transfers were just a matter fo time, we should be happy they've at least had to wait and had to pay top dollar to complete the deals.
Agree on everything, Fair does.
Except Mickhi part, he's out of form, formation or not. If everything needs to fall in place for him to shine he's not worth the hassle but maybe he'll somehow come back.
He's clearly better than Romeu.
I was referring to your comment on ball playing ability.
Looking like they will be a force next season.
Damn it
Damn it
Southampton are having a very merry christmas. Wow transfer fees are way beyond ridiculous. He's a good CB at Southampton, but so was Lovren at Southampton
Brilliant. Glad City can't get him
van Dijk is probably a top 10 CB in world football. Liverpool have three big weaknesses. GK, CBs, CMs.
In theory they now only have two massive weak spots. It's a great signing, you'd have to have extremely rose tinted glasses to say otherwise. Van Dijk is a beast, excellent technically, and a leader. He'd start consistently for any PL team.
In theory they now only have two massive weak spots. It's a great signing, you'd have to have extremely rose tinted glasses to say otherwise. Van Dijk is a beast, excellent technically, and a leader. He'd start consistently for any PL team.
No, no and no. That myth needs to stop. For 3 seasons straight Mata has consistently been garbage for us as a 10 and a serial match winner for us as a false 7.
Would take Bailly over VVD any day of the week.
Top 10 based on ?
Ability and performances over the last four years or so.
As a #10 in this league, he gets pushed around too easily. When he's floating around from the wings, it's harder for defenders to stick with him and try to push him off the ball. Then he gets the space he needs to pick passes or to work 1-2's
I think there is an overreacting to the fee. When consider the following circumstances, I'm not surprised by the fee.
- Transfer between English clubs will always be stupidly high
- Every man and his dog knows that Liverpool will be getting nothing less than £120m for Coutinho. So why not milk it?
- If Soton are going to be called Liverpool's feeder club, they might as well be well compensated for it. See Sanchez to City for ~£55m with a 1 year contract left.
- The player in question has a long term contract with Soton and it will require a big hammer to break it.
- Liverpool have been found guilty of tapping up and unsettling the player. Pay the money and save face
He's NOT a winger. Just because he has done well in a few matches DOES NOT make him a great winger or false 7. We need proper wingers and not player that can do the job. Martial, Rashford, Mata, Mhikitaryan are NOT wingers and this false 7 bullshit that Mourinho keeps playing. We buy a hulk of a striker who depends on service to score goals and we play false 7(s). That's just crappy managing.
No he's not.. He is a good CB but nothing more .. There are many CB in the league that are better and the fee is ridiculous. This nonsense needs to stop non feeder clubs trying to follow suit will never work and now even clubs who have had hard times breaking even are spending like they have it..
4 years, Really ? He moved only in 2015 from Celtic.
And why is he still at Southampton and only moving in January 1?
I rest my case
Overpaid by about 50% but actually a very good transfer for Liverpool, I am afraid to say. I am sure he'll prove his worth for them and the fee will be forgotten in five years.
Apparently a 15% transfer fee to Celtic, could explain Saints holding out for a high fee.
I disagree. Top 2-3 in the league for me. On form, best CB in the league. All about opinions.
Yes, I'm aware. He was Celtic's best player two years in a row (in my opinion).
I find myself in a weird position of defending Liverpool's transfer record. Bizarre, but only because some people are so biased they can't admit when another club has a signed a good player.
Fair enough, I guess we will see soon enough..
No idea how good Vvd is. I hope he’s good, God knows Oranje could use a world class centre half
Lol... That's because there are certain CBs that are considered ball playing CBs like Ferdinand, Lindelof and so on whereas you have CBs that are destroyers and who break play like Bailly, Jones, and Vidic. That does not make them any less of a defender than the ones that are ball playing defenders. Van Dijk is valued more because of his experience in the PL and his ball playing abilities because that's a rarity in today's market. That's it. I didn't underrate Bailly or Jones. Stop jumping to conclusions.
Hence the reason I called him a false winger.
Are you kidding me? Mata has spent most of the last three season in a false 7 role, which isn't 'a few matches' and the ONLY times he has been atrocious have been the few games we have risked to give him a turn in his so called "true role" as a 10. I swear people need to stop being Ostriches and accept Mata is no longer a 10 and is far better as a wing playmaker/false 7. The daya of Mata being of any use as a 10 are long gone.
Crap managing my arse. Mourinho wanted a natural winger called Persic in the summer and the board refused to buy him. Even Mourinho knows he needs natural wingers and better attacking fullbacks for Lukaku to thrive. But he has to use what he has and of our current lot, Mata is hands down our best option down the right flank, followed by the inconsistent Mhikitaryan
Other than Alderwierd and Azpilicueta, who is better than him in the PL?
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Transfer fees are really beginning to feck me off.
Top 10 most overrated footballers in the world, sure. He can turn out be an excellent addition for Liverpool, but even over here in the Netherlands where he's got plenty of fans no one in their right mind would consider him to be a genuine top 10 CB in the world.
Jose wasn't...if he was Perisic would be here.
The board need to take a look at what the other teams are up to and get their act together
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