It's all subjective and I hope he never plays to his full capability with them, but the guy is world class. He has everything. Can use either foot, commands the box, good passer, has pace, has height, is strong as feck, and technically very, very good.
Virgil van Dijk | OFFICIAL: Liverpool agree £75m fee (£70m upfront) with Southampton
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You guys have a ton of talented CBs it is the other positions that there is worry.
Has he done enough yet to say that? I don't think so.
Lol... You clearly don't see it... Just because you don't get Perisic, you just don't go into the season with false wingers. You've got to have a backup plan when you know that the 80m striker you just bought relies on service and crosses.
That's like "Buying a Tesla and using a phone charger to power it"
That's not rocket science.
Mhikitaryan never played well last season as a winger. We've always lacked a right winger. Mata isn't good enough.
Perisic was being brought in to play as a left wing back and not a right winger. Our fullbacks are not good enough to create chances for Lukaku and our wingers are not good enough to cut inside and score goals.
Mourinho played Zlatan and Lukaku against Burnley.... and guess what we got burned.... Don't you dare tell me that it was amazing management or for that matter leaving Smalling on the pitch when he was clearly injured. Towards the end, he just threw all the attacking players on the pitch and hoping it would work.
If you think Mourinho has been managing us very well this season, you must be blind. Any Tom, Dick and Harry who knows nothing about football would tell you that we need a proper LB and a RW and guess what, we didn't get anyone.
Bonkers fee but I see their situation similar to ours in the summer, both desperate for a signing in key areas. Us needing a center-forward and them needing a center-back when there's lack of top quality talent in those positions. With all the elite CFs at clubs like Bayern, Barcelona, City, Juve, PSG etc we spent the summer trying to sign one from the lower shelf in Lukaku, Belotti and Morata. In the end settling for a proven PL goalscorer in Lukaku.
Ditto is the case for them, with elite CBs at clubs like Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico and Bayern they had to shop for an alternative who was available. It just so happens to be in a PL club and they have been bled dry by Saints, like us with Lukaku.
Ditto is the case for them, with elite CBs at clubs like Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico and Bayern they had to shop for an alternative who was available. It just so happens to be in a PL club and they have been bled dry by Saints, like us with Lukaku.
How many still believe that Perisic LWB story?
Truth is, Mourinho wanted him as a winger. First choice LW over Martial, and perhaps occasionally deputising on the right as well. When he didn't get him, he simply said he wanted him as an additional option for LWB in a particular formation so as not to demotivate his current wingers and FBs.
Do you for one moment think Mourinho was pushing the board to pay 50 mil just so he could start Perisic for maybe the 10 games only as a LWB when he plays 3 at the back?
Nope.
In my opinion, I think Mourinho wanted to move to a 3-5-2 where he would play 3 at the back and have Valencia and Perisic be our wingbacks. Matic would protect the back three while Pogba and Mhikitaryan would play ahead and try to create while we would have presumably Rashford and Lukaku play ahead. That's just my thinking. And Perisic has always been played on the left, so I don't think he would have moved him to the right. Perisic could have competed with Martial for the LW role maybe but that doesn't take away the fact that we've lacked a genuine winger on the right. Once again, the point I'm trying to make is buy someone whose already played that role before and not buying someone who could possibly play as a RW.
I bet José’s comments on City spending striker money on defenders pushed this through a lot quicker than it otherwise would have dragged out for.
Liverpool definitely bite the bullet but they finally get their guy. I’m just glad he’s not going to City
Liverpool definitely bite the bullet but they finally get their guy. I’m just glad he’s not going to City
I don't understand why Mourinho didn't just make the strikers they had better? There's absolutely no need to be spending money like this to compete, right?
Oh wait... Even 300 million isn't enough. We spend on one player and everyone on this board is going bonkers and getting their panties in a bunch.
Amazing how I don't see similar posts whenever Man Utd is linked with a high transfer fee player or even spends on one.
Hahahah spot on
I don't understand why Mourinho didn't just make the strikers they had better? There's absolutely no need to be spending money like this to compete, right?
All of a sudden not so funny eh?
Christ that is some amount of money for a CB. Again we have gotten slaughtered by a transfer fee. Mane cost Southampton 14m we pay 35m. VVD cost Southampton 11m we pay 75m. Salah cost Roma 16m we pay 35m. That means we have spent 145m on three players who cost 41m when they moved to the clubs we signed them from. The worry has to be we will sell Coutinho to offset the outlay. Time will tell.
A ton seems pushing it. We have De Vrij, Van Dijk, Van Beek, De Ligt, Hoedt maybe? I doubt any of em will be world beaters.
Meh, decent player nothing special tbh.
This reminds me of when Liverpool fans justified paying £35m for Andy Carrol becuase it meant they were still £15m up becuase they sold Fernando Torres.
I don't recall Mourinho saying he didn't need to sign players for big money, he would just train the players he had to be better. You know, like Klopp did.
Wow is this real life? 75Million is more than we paid for Rio and Vidic together he is a good player but is he feck a 75mill player.
Funny though as this thread seems to be turning out the liverpool supporters even if some are pretending they support Utd.
The good thing about this is now all you pool fans can shut the feck up about our spending and so can the Ecstasy Fiend, He is going to get ripped to shreds by the gutter press next season as VVD is not going to make Klopp better at in game management or his substitutes any earlier.
If this guy flops it could set liverpool back a way as that would also mean klopp would be gone!
Klopp and the Kop will have nothing to hide behind for being a shit 1 plan Ecstasy munching bunch of thundercunts.
Funny though as this thread seems to be turning out the liverpool supporters even if some are pretending they support Utd.
The good thing about this is now all you pool fans can shut the feck up about our spending and so can the Ecstasy Fiend, He is going to get ripped to shreds by the gutter press next season as VVD is not going to make Klopp better at in game management or his substitutes any earlier.
If this guy flops it could set liverpool back a way as that would also mean klopp would be gone!
Klopp and the Kop will have nothing to hide behind for being a shit 1 plan Ecstasy munching bunch of thundercunts.
Whoosh.
It was a joke about the criticisms of Mourinho, which seemingly don't apply to other managers. Nobody on this board is getting worked up spending that much on a single player. It's what it takes to compete. I mean, if we *did* complain and then went on to cheer as United broke transfer records, we'd be a bunch of hypocritical wankers, no?
He’s also more than what we paid for Ronaldo, Rooney and Cantona all put together!! He’s not as good as those 3 I don’t think.
Man city have their hands on this. Jose needs to spend, Think Liverpool will finish very strongly and might even match city's form in second half of the season.
An absolutely ludicrous sum of money for such a player. Bizarre.
He cost more than Willie Groves in 1893 as well.
He isn't worth half that. Hilarious.
If true, would have been Lukaku and Ibra once fit
as if i just got a warning for that post.... apparently you cant offend liverpool on a Utd forum anymore must not be pc correct...........
Good one
You were warned for two years of horrible contributions.
If you still dont really understand how the markets work, then nothing can be said to rectify a post as dumb as this.
Jurgen Klopp the hypocrite.
Great signing for Liverpool. With him and Keita they're going to be a force to be reckoned with next season, though it does depend on the Coutinho situation.
Honestly? Vertonghen, Bailly, Kosceiny, Kompany are better.
He isn't a leader to those who say that you are completely lying
He isn't a leader to those who say that you are completely lying
Fair play. They have a weakness and they are spending money to strengthen it. We should be doing the same with our attack.
It's interesting for sure. I've been trying to rate Van Dijk for quite some time now, and I honestly think even someone like Stefan de Vrij is not that far behind him in terms of talent. Van Dijk's much faster and marginally stronger, but De Vrij is comfortably better on the ball and while he's not that fast he reads the game very well. His main problem has been his injuries, but he seems to be in decent form again.
And then there's players like Vertonghen and Alderweireld (and maybe even Vermaelen) who I think were significantly better players than Virgil when playing in Holland, and they've also performed at a higher level in England. Seen plenty of other players like Koscielny or even Cahill reach a very respectable level too. Not to mention the whole batch of CB's at top clubs over the last couple of years, from Ramos, Pique, Chiellini, Boateng, Hummels, Godin, Bonucci to Silva or Varane, though some might have dropped in form.
Maybe I'm a bit negatively biased because of his very uninspiring performances for the Dutch national team though. He's had quite a few unconvincing performances, and I really only remember two or three decent games from him. But it might be a bit harsh to judge him so strongly considering that the whole national team went on a negative spiral worse that United under Moyes, somehow failing two qualify twice in a row. Can't really expect a relatively inexperienced centre back to take charge of the whole team and solve everything.
Even if the transfer fees will inflate more over the next years, I can't see many scenarios where this transfer will turn out to be a bargain for Liverpool. But I think they've just overtaken us in terms of goals scored (46 vs 43), their defensive problems being the obvious bottleneck. And whether he's world class or not, he's a massive upgrade on what they have.
It's also interesting to see whether he can deal with the pressure of the massive fee, even someone used to the limelight like Pogba said he's happy he doesn't have that kind of attention on him anymore.
No. Its you simply failing to understand. Peric was what we needed and exactly the type of player to work in Mourinho's system. We didn't need 'alternatives'. We needed him. The type of player who would enable the player on the opposite flank the freedom to either be a winger, a wide striker and inside forward or a wide play maker. That is the boards fault. Its isn't Rocket science to get
Mhikitrayan was short listed for player of the tournament in the Europa league. And he spent time both as a wide man and as a 10.
Wrong. Persic was targeted as player with the flexibility to enable us play a 3-5-2 with wingbacks BECAUSE he is ambidextrous and defensively excellent. Persic was going to be Mourinho's disciplined winger opposite his inside forward/wide playmaker. Persic would have comfortably established himself on our problem right side.
Huh? What nonsense is that? Who told you I found that remotely amazing?
Towards the end of what? The Burnley game we were shit because of our attitude. Our passing, defending and attacking for large swarthes of that game was sloppy. It had feck all to do with personnel nor tactics. If it did we'd not have witnessed De Gea fumble basic catching on a harmless cross, or people like Matic and Rojo miss place passes under zero pressure to the advertising boards. Not to mention Rojo and Lukaku's comical attempt at set piece defending, Lingard's shocking miss and Lukaku's laughable attempt at a header off an excellent cross. Even our corners and crossing were especially pathetic all game.
That is just pure drivel. If Mourinho was doing nothing we wouldn't be second in the table, having more points at this point in a season that any previous title winner. Anyone who dares to claim Mourinho is doing a 'poor job' simply confirms they do know nothing about football.
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Haven't you now smashed your previous transfer record twice in the last six months? I think it's almost certain that's down to the incoming Coutinho money. It'd be weird otherwise.
It might not be all that bad though. If Barcelona want to give you crazy money and you can get three good players in return them maybe it's for the best.
This ignores the fees they paid for Clyne, Moreno and Lovren.
It's also over 150 times more than we paid for Kenny Dalglish. He's a good player but is he feck 150 times better than Kenny Dalglish.
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