It’s crazy how petulant he’s being about this. No player in football is entitled to win an individual award.
Vinicius Junior
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It’s crazy how petulant he’s being about this. No player in football is entitled to win an individual award.
Rodri didn't have a single word for him either tbh.
I’ll always have a soft spot for Madrid due to them beating Liverpool in 2 finals.
So strange being so salty over an individual honor. You’d think they were robbed of the CL final which is actually meaningful.
Do you also have one for Pep’s city?
Yes. Better them than the scousers.
Steven Gerrard’s slip felt so sweet because City was there, ready to overtake Liverpool.
How weird - having a soft spot for our City rivals. I like watching Liverpool lose but find it easy to not alter my view on the team / club that beat them. Gerrard’s slip was glorious but 115 cheats can go feck themselves
If it’s any other team, it would hurt more because they actually earn it. City is a cheat code and thus their trophies feel hollow.
It’s a perfect combination, really. City helps us guard our PL record (20) against Liverpool for many years, while we are in rebuild. When City wins the League, we don’t feel anything because it’s hollow anyway. So they’re our perfect record keeper for now.
The meltdown has been hilarious.. why the feck was he so sure he was going to win?
Papa Perez assured him, probably.
He's not been that much better than Rodri and Bellingham. 2nd seems fair...
That logic is tired and broken. Initially it was believable to an extent but they’re shattering every one of our records, it doesn’t ring as true. Besides, they’re our city rivals and no amount pretence on relevance will change that.
But please continue having a warm fuzzy feeling for the other Manchester team because they beat Liverpool a few times. After all, as human beings we are only capable of disliking or even hating just one club.
This reaction by Vini and Real is probably the most pathetic things I've seen in football for a long time. Possibly ever. All this crying for an individual award? Someone would think they have robbed him of his career or something with the way they're carrying on.
Well Liverpool as a fan based are the only team who have had multiple convictions of manslaughter for their fans that directly led to 39 deaths. So, there is always that to consider when getting angry/annoyed about how City make up revenue streams.
he's the biggest cnut in football atm.
I'm glad that Rodri won.
I'm glad that Rodri won.
Hitler was terrible so I now like Stalin.
Bigger cnut than Greenwood?
He’s quite a petulant drama queen but largely harmless in the grander scheme of things.
Would have been great if it hadnt leaked tbh, imagine them all turning up then the drama unfolding.
They'd have stormed the stage and trashed the place I reckon.
Whoever leaked the list denied us the greatest show ever.
They'd have stormed the stage and trashed the place I reckon.
Whoever leaked the list denied us the greatest show ever.
Is he retiring after this season? Just use it as motivation to be better, or just grow up. Bizarre behaviour.
The leak was intentional. There are a lot of politics behind it tbh, the initial leaked had all the rankings correct except the first 2
Weirdly enough it feels like a young person rant instead of an old person rant, completely understating the importance of this award. It was always extremely prestigious even though up until 1995 it wasn’t a worldwide award (so the likes of Pelé, Maradona, Romário and other non-European legends that would’ve won a few weren’t eligible). Using Michael Owen’s ignorance about the matter isn’t a great way to highlight public’s perception of the award — the guy clearly doesn’t even know what the words “cool” and “articulate” mean:Footballers have gone weird. Started with Ronaldo's narcissm and self-centredness, desperately trying to win this each year becaus me me me. I don't remember anyone caring about this award growing up, and apparently Michael Owen (very similar age to me), had to ask what it was when he won it. Not sure if true but find it very plausible.
After Ronaldo started signalling he cared so much about it his fans started to as well, then the Messi fans did in turn and you had this strange fighting over it online for years. Until then it barely got a mention but now how many Balon D'ors someone has won is a huge staple of declaring which of 2 players is better than the other. People growing up in that era now place this huge emphasis on it, with Trent Alexander Arnold saying he'd rather win it than the World Cup.
Feel like and old fecker but bloody hell, kids these days! (Not all of them). Now Vini's acting up over it as well.
How many people who care about it have read France Football, the magazine it was created to promote? How many know who the judges are? If given a list of judges how many would they recognise which is important before deciding if you value their opinion or not?
The whole fuss over it is straight up bizarre.
Aye. He truly is a horrible cnut on the pitch.
Any word Rodri said to vini will sounds like pretentious.
For me, it's really difficult to choose between Rodri or Vini for the Ballon d'Or. It could go either way, but I think Rodri edged it because of the class and professionalism criteria. Vinicius is anything but classy. Then again, if that is one of the criterias, why did Emiliano Martinez win the Yashin trophy?
What on earth are people talking about in here? Being recognized as the best player in the world has always, and will always be hugely important and prestigious, even more so in a team setting because of the sheer recognition above and beyond peers. Individual sports are de facto, binary; you either are or aren't by pts or trophy tally.
One might say Di Stefano centralised the prestige, if not Matthews - where one player became the bar for everyone else to aspire to and attempt to surpass, and we know of many of the true greats through their prestige as individuals first, and their outstanding performances and contributions to their teams then go without saying.
I bet, if you know anything about great players of the past, you could do a very good job of painting the tapestry of BPITW winners without even trying the reason you can do that is because of the prestige their presence at the very top afforded them - name that now precedes them and is mostly indelible.
Don't confuse growing pains of these things becoming all inclusive to them not carrying weight. Maradona was the man, Platini before him, it's foolish to think such a thing shouldn't be acknowledged. It's always been a great source of pride for the winners and inspirational for those with the talent to be in the running for it.
The idea it should be glossed over because of the team setting is absurd. Which team sport does not acknowledge its greatest players? To become peerless is human nature and a default pursuit for the competitive on a personal level.
Madrid and their pathetic reaction shouldn't be conflated with why the award is aspirational and prestigious.
One might say Di Stefano centralised the prestige, if not Matthews - where one player became the bar for everyone else to aspire to and attempt to surpass, and we know of many of the true greats through their prestige as individuals first, and their outstanding performances and contributions to their teams then go without saying.
I bet, if you know anything about great players of the past, you could do a very good job of painting the tapestry of BPITW winners without even trying the reason you can do that is because of the prestige their presence at the very top afforded them - name that now precedes them and is mostly indelible.
Don't confuse growing pains of these things becoming all inclusive to them not carrying weight. Maradona was the man, Platini before him, it's foolish to think such a thing shouldn't be acknowledged. It's always been a great source of pride for the winners and inspirational for those with the talent to be in the running for it.
The idea it should be glossed over because of the team setting is absurd. Which team sport does not acknowledge its greatest players? To become peerless is human nature and a default pursuit for the competitive on a personal level.
Madrid and their pathetic reaction shouldn't be conflated with why the award is aspirational and prestigious.
I think Real Madrid players probably cannibalized each others' votes a little bit. Bellingham and Carvajal were in the top 4 too and you could make the argument that their NT trajectory was better and thus they should be ahead.
Vini does not take well to the reaction of rival fans. I remember that Cristiano seemed surprised at first but then seemed indifferent to his song, the "ese Portugués...".
He gets too heated, both with the fans and with rival players, who sometimes (in Mallorca, for example, with Maffeo) reproach him for something. That makes him bring out his bad streak.
And the racist insults of course, the spark of it all.
He has to improve that temper, besides now he will hear "Vini balón de oro" in every field.
We have to take into account that he is probably one of the players who receives the most fouls. Off the field he seems like a good guy
He gets too heated, both with the fans and with rival players, who sometimes (in Mallorca, for example, with Maffeo) reproach him for something. That makes him bring out his bad streak.
And the racist insults of course, the spark of it all.
He has to improve that temper, besides now he will hear "Vini balón de oro" in every field.
We have to take into account that he is probably one of the players who receives the most fouls. Off the field he seems like a good guy
More deserving? Vini was this year's UCL POTY and 2nd best in La Liga. Rodri wasn't even in the EPL Best XI and neither was on the UCL Best XI. Meaning, he wasn't even one of the 3 best Midfielders in neither of the competitions he played with his team. And he deserves to win Ballon D'or?
Yes
He was in the EPL Best XI, I don’t know where this rumour came from, keep seeing it repeated on Twitter. He was the most nailed on team of the year there’s ever been, the award would have lost credibility if he wasn’t in the team. He was the best midfielder by far in the PL last season.
I think he was second in the PL player of the year voting also, there tends to be a slight English bias when it’s tight.
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Weirdly enough it feels like a young person rant instead of an old person rant, completely understating the importance of this award. It was always extremely prestigious even though up until 1995 it wasn’t a worldwide award (so the likes of Pelé, Maradona, Romário and other non-European legends that would’ve won a few weren’t eligible). Using Michael Owen’s ignorance about the matter isn’t a great way to highlight public’s perception of the award — the guy clearly doesn’t even know what the words “cool” and “articulate” mean:
You don't think it's massively changed with significantly more emphasis being put on it?
Hard to provide statistical evidence, but if you search the caf up for past threads on it you can see how that threads on it have many more posts about it post-Ronaldo than pre-Ronaldo. That's a tricky one to be fair, you've got to take into account the popularity of the caf (I don't know what traffic was like), internet use in general (more people online now than ever before), and Ronaldo being a United player then ex United player and some people having interest in him specifically due to this being a United forum. Going the other way, forum usage has dropped in general since Facebook, instagram, Youtube etc. were invented so who knows what caf traffic was then compared to now.
Here's it's usage in books as a percentage of all terms used in books by year published. Some noise in there of course as not every time the term was used will have been referring to the award and it starts from before the award even existed. A piece of fiction might be referring to a golden ball that someone found, or you could use it as a way to describe the sun etc.
Google trends showing huge spikes more recently.
Now I'm not saying people weren't happy to win it in the past, but this big desire for players being desperate win it seems to be a newer thing as does how much fans talk about it.
Going back to the caf and the internet stuff, it might bebecause of the internet itself, an internet era driven phenomena. It's not like every teenager had a resource where they could look up the past winners of it at one time, or watch clips of different footballers from around the world as often. We'd be much more oblivious to them and the award in general. A lot will only know of the ballon d'or due to the internet and without it they wouldn't. The internet has given people that as has other technological breakthroughs like satellite / cable tv, dedicated sports channels etc.
They've glitzed it up hugely as well more recently. There never used to be a ceremony. Someone would just come and give the winner the award after training and a few publicity photos would be taken. Much more low key.
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I'm glad a midfielder won because none of these wide forwards are a patch on the best ones of 10 years ago.
I don't like how important those individual awards got in the last years. Has certainly something to do with the Ronaldo-Messi-Battle for them. But still, it is a team sport and I don't like how every team is pushing their own players in the media the weeks before the ballon d'or-night.
I understand awards like "player of the year", "goalkeeper of the year" or for specific tournaments. But the rest is not really comparable and there are to many discussions about it. I hope Vini gets over it...
I understand awards like "player of the year", "goalkeeper of the year" or for specific tournaments. But the rest is not really comparable and there are to many discussions about it. I hope Vini gets over it...
I've said it before that he's very weak mentally.
I expect him to be in the level of Antony in 3-4 years.
I expect him to be in the level of Antony in 3-4 years.
Taking the Ballon D'or this seriously!?!?
Game's gone
Game's gone
They would have his teammate do a Kanye West on stage.
That is probably a more likely explanation, which makes the whole situation funnier. I have to say some of the journalists' votes are ridiculous, though. El Salvador's journalist did not even have Vini in his top 10, and Croatia's journalist had Lautaro Martinez above him.
I bet his attitude has something to do with it, and I can almost guarantee that if Vini had Ronaldinho's personality on the pitch, he'd be the one that won.
A mad opinion.
It won't be in 3 years
There is not a single player for Real Madrid that is weak mentally. Especially not Vinicius who has been racially abused for years and still delivers exceptional performances when it matters and nearly won Ballon d'Or after all the shit he has been getting.
Pathetic reaction by him and generally he isn't very likeable on the pitch, but weak mentally? Not even close.