Vinicius Junior

Football is a team game !
All this focus on individuals isn’t healthy. If he wants personal awards go play tennis or golf.
It is utterly pathetic to cry publicly about something like this, that is awarded by journalists ffs.
 
Wow. What an a-hole. Throwing a strop because he didn't win the balloon dor! If the stories are true about him planning victory parties he deserves all the stick he's going to get
 
Assume he’s playing the race card now. As in they aren’t ready to recognise his greatness due to his skin colour.

Despite the fact that they were awarding it to other black players like gullit, weah, rivaldo, Ronaldo all the way back in the 80s and 90s.

He’s crying like the giant baby that he is. Lovely footballer, but a petulant child. And Rodri’s clearly a better footballer currently too.
It's this apparently, according to his management.

Very weak. He's been the victim of some abhorrent abuse the past years, but this isn't part of it.
 
What on earth are people talking about in here? Being recognized as the best player in the world has always, and will always be hugely important and prestigious, even more so in a team setting because of the sheer recognition above and beyond peers. Individual sports are de facto, binary; you either are or aren't by pts or trophy tally.

One might say Di Stefano centralised the prestige, if not Matthews - where one player became the bar for everyone else to aspire to and attempt to surpass, and we know of many of the true greats through their prestige as individuals first, and their outstanding performances and contributions to their teams then go without saying.

I bet, if you know anything about great players of the past, you could do a very good job of painting the tapestry of BPITW winners without even trying the reason you can do that is because of the prestige their presence at the very top afforded them - name that now precedes them and is mostly indelible.

Don't confuse growing pains of these things becoming all inclusive to them not carrying weight. Maradona was the man, Platini before him, it's foolish to think such a thing shouldn't be acknowledged. It's always been a great source of pride for the winners and inspirational for those with the talent to be in the running for it.

The idea it should be glossed over because of the team setting is absurd. Which team sport does not acknowledge its greatest players? To become peerless is human nature and a default pursuit for the competitive on a personal level.

Madrid and their pathetic reaction shouldn't be conflated with why the award is aspirational and prestigious.

It's true, the issue it's that the politics within the Award itself and outside of it, more in this current Globalized and Social Media World, makes it quite unbereable to deal with even just a conversation in a Forum and way worse when Clubs and Media have such over the top reactions, these aspects certainly have take a toll on the Award.
 
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What does he mean with "they're not ready"
That he'll finally start turning up for Brazil and help them win the WC? That would be unexpected :lol:

He'll be in the running again if he can deliver for both club and country, but can he?
 
A post I saw on Reddit...



So his season wasn't even that good, relative to the elite from the past two decades and it has still brought on this ridiculous global tantrum.

The post also mentioned Salah from 17/18 who had 44 goals and 15 assists that year in 52 matches. Crazy numbers but he didn't win (he also won feck all that year in fairness). Vinicius had 26 goals and 11 assists in 49 games last year. Nothing "special" in terms of Ballon d'Or numbers.

This is what has been so bewildering about this situation for me. Yeah Vinicius has been pretty damn good, but it's not like he's been putting up Messi/Ronaldo numbers where he's so far ahead of the pack that he simply has to win it. There are other players around, whether in his position or in other positions, putting in performances as good as he does.

Never seen anyone with this much believe in himself other than Siu Ronaldo. Him saying he can do 10x better is madness. Who does he think he is? a Saiyan?

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It's this apparently, according to his management.

Very weak. He's been the victim of some abhorrent abuse the past years, but this isn't part of it.

No. He thinks it's because he's making a lot of noise about racism, not because he's black.
 
I'm not sure why this "prize" is so important. Ridiculous reaction from everywhere.

People need to calm down. Madrid need to calm down.
 
No. He thinks it's because he's making a lot of noise about racism, not because he's black.
I mean he's tying it to racism. Either way, I very much doubt it's because of that. Of anything it's because most of the Madrid squad is in the top 10 and that split some votes.

And by saying "they're not ready" it does feel like saying they're not ready for a black person winning it. Which is obviously rubbish.
 
Him and Madrid are entirely right to boycott the ceremony. Not because he didnt win but because the winner comes from City and everyone else should boycott anything awarded to those cheats.
 
Him and Madrid are entirely right to boycott the ceremony. Not because he didnt win but because the winner comes from City and everyone else should boycott anything awarded to those cheats.
Except that’s not their reason to boycott it. It’s your fantasy version of what should have happened. Meanwhile they actually boycotted on account being a bunch of prats.
 
I mean he's tying it to racism. Either way, I very much doubt it's because of that. Of anything it's because most of the Madrid squad is in the top 10 and that split some votes.

And by saying "they're not ready" it does feel like saying they're not ready for a black person winning it. Which is obviously rubbish.
Well yeah, they've been ready for almost 60 years.

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I mean he's tying it to racism. Either way, I very much doubt it's because of that. Of anything it's because most of the Madrid squad is in the top 10 and that split some votes.

And by saying "they're not ready" it does feel like saying they're not ready for a black person winning it. Which is obviously rubbish.

"Tying it to racism" can mean different things, and what his camp is saying he meant is not what you said, or what you feel like.

According to them he feels like making so much noise about racism, instead of just silently taking the racist abuse, has made him unpopular and will have lost him some votes. It's fine if you think they're lying.
 
Except that’s not their reason to boycott it. It’s your fantasy version of what should have happened. Meanwhile they actually boycotted on account being a bunch of prats.
Surprising thing is that they won a couple of awards themselves. It was really disrespectful of not just Rodri but also Kylian Mbappe their own player and Carlo Ancelloti their own manager.

I don't know what they are smoking but was it so hard to act classy? Also, for whom Vinicius Jr? He is one of the top players at best, not the undisputed GOAT who has been overlooked for a lesser player. He isn't even the top scorer in their league or in the CL. Seems really odd that they would spend their respect for such a player.
 
You’d think he’d died based on Fabrizio Romano’s Insta post. I can’t quite believe all the media clamour around this being some great injustice.

Football is a team game and even certain individual accolades are going to be determined by collective team success/trophies - think this will be more common especially in the post Messi/Ronaldo era as there’s more of a level-playing field now.

Rodri won the same amount of major trophies as Vini last year and was arguably more integral in this success than Vini. I honestly would have no issue for either player winning it and it certainly isn’t an ‘injustice’ to parrot a word used frequently from some portions of the media.

If anything, you could argue Carvajal is most deserving but it’s not very sexy at all to award it to a fullback.
 
"Tying it to racism" can mean different things, and what his camp is saying he meant is not what you said, or what you feel like.

According to them he feels like making so much noise about racism, instead of just silently taking the racist abuse, has made him unpopular and will have lost him some votes. It's fine if you think they're lying.

Yes, my point is that I think they're lying.

I think it would tremendously help if he actually said what he meant in his post instead of doing the hip and cryptic thing, because between him and the entirety of Real Madrid throwing a collective hissy fit it really looks like that.

Racism is terrible and the fact he speaks out about it is fantastic. All footballer should do it and the FIFA and UEFA should go much further than empty slogans. This just doesn't feel like part of it. Rodri is a very deserving winner of the Ballon d'or as he's had a great season with both club and country. Vinicius is rubbish for Brazil and too much stock is always put into international trophies.

Oh, and I blame my poor wording on the sensationalist Dutch football website I read this on. :lol: They just said "says its racism"
 
At the end of the day Vini could have won it and it would have been ok, like almost always with the award, more than one player would have been deserved winners.
What it's childish it's Vini's social media reactions (even towards his fellow Madrid players that also were in contention) and in general the level of outrage from Madrid fans and the Club itself. Yet this whole reaction doesn't open the door to say that Vini wouldn't have been a worthy winner.
 
At the end of the day Vini could have won it and it would have been ok, like almost always with the award, more than one player would have been deserved winners.
What it's childish it's Vini's social media reactions (even towards his fellow Madrid players that also were in contention) and in general the level of outrage from Madrid fans and the Club itself. Yet this whole reaction doesn't open the door to say that Vini wouldn't have been a worthy winner.

The issue is that right now there is a confrontation between UEFA and Real Madrid and according to Twitter accounts most familiar with the club's affairs, there has been perceived a behavior with bad intentions on the part of the former.

I am partially satisfied with the events because for me they are important enough to give rise to a reaction in the sporting field that I think we urgently need.

Only time, that unappealable judge, will dictate whether this response from the players will take shape with sufficient forcefulness and clarity to lead us to the achievement of new trophies.
 
If he wants to win it, he has to reach Ronaldinho 2004/2005 level. (I guess ?)

At the time, Henry or Shevchenko would have been fair winners, but ronnie made it undeniable.

Thought Vini Jr deserved the award but at the same time, he can still improve as a player.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c0k8vmg0p57o

This is turning into some sort of weird farce.
Brasil - you have got this one very wrong……
Not the hill to die on.

Gustavo Faldon, sports editor for the Brazilian daily Estadao said: "The [treatment of] Vincius was the biggest injustice in the history of Ballon d'Or.

"The fact that he is Brazilian, plays for Real Madrid, and is a forward should have worked in his favour in the history of the award."

so fecking entitled :lol:
 
so fecking entitled :lol:
It’s an award agreed on by journalists. Quite how it is so fecking important to some people beggars belief.
May as well let the caf decide.
I also have a huge issue with individual awards in what is a team game. In that respect Rodri pisses it.
 
There's always next year. Why was he being bitter about this? I'm not exactly following this but was he told beforehand that he's a sure win for this and that's why he's throwing toys out of his pram?
 
I reckon he's going to show the world his obscene talent and score his 4th goal for Brazil this year
 
Furore over this has been one of the weirdest things I've seen in football. He was very good, wouldn't have been an unworthy winner, but was hardly putting up prime Messi numbers either. Is it mostly just classic Real Madrid entitlement?
 
Furore over this has been one of the weirdest things I've seen in football. He was very good, wouldn't have been an unworthy winner, but was hardly putting up prime Messi numbers either. Is it mostly just classic Real Madrid entitlement?
Unless he had been told he was going to win and then something happened - what we don't know about- I think we were just self-convinced and took it for granted that he was going to win.