I was with you there until you said Haaland has a better first touch than Rooney
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Fans obsess too much on "poor" first touch, especially in strikers.
Case in point. You're talking about love and emotion and fans. Question: with his great first touch, would you call Martial an unqualified success at United? Fact remains that for all the salt and scapegoating thrown his way Lukaku was more productive in the PL than Martial (or Havertz for that matter), loved by fans because of their tekkers but just hot air when it comes to the bottom line regalling productivity on the pitch.
Case in point. You're talking about love and emotion and fans. Question: with his great first touch, would you call Martial an unqualified success at United? Fact remains that for all the salt and scapegoating thrown his way Lukaku was more productive in the PL than Martial (or Havertz for that matter), loved by fans because of their tekkers but just hot air when it comes to the bottom line regalling productivity on the pitch.
Pretty much the same with Osimhen. First touch definitely isn't poor.
Offering my own personal opinion (and making no further comment than that), I don't want him to play for United again and don't care whether it benefits other clubs.
Criminal charges have been dropped, as I understand it because the main witness has withdrawn. I am happy to be corrected if that is not right.
I don't think you need a Berba first touch unless you're that kind of player. It worked for him because his whole style was built around it. Getting on the ball and build up. For strikers like Haaland and Osimhen it's only about function. It's more about anticipation of how the ball is arriving and manipulating the ball into the right path to get an optimal shot. Who cares whether they can trap a ball on a sixpence over their head, they just have to get it knocked into position to score. I'm pretty sure the managers don't care as long as it doesn't prevent the finish and ultimately their records say it doesn't. They'll never have the world's tidiest touch but they'll still keep banging goals.
I think there's quite a lot of examples that operate between a Berba/Bergkamp type and Lukaku as well. Lukaku is more than a bit untidy, he's a genuine dead weight on any pretension that a side is going to build up play off the striker. I think Haaland is definitely better than that when he wants to be, usually he's just not interested and why would you be when they have so many cooks already, dunno about Osimhen.
I think there's quite a lot of examples that operate between a Berba/Bergkamp type and Lukaku as well. Lukaku is more than a bit untidy, he's a genuine dead weight on any pretension that a side is going to build up play off the striker. I think Haaland is definitely better than that when he wants to be, usually he's just not interested and why would you be when they have so many cooks already, dunno about Osimhen.
We should go all in for this guy; anyone wanting Kane over him is blind.
I hope you have a free 150m £ in your back pocket to afford him.
I don't smoke. Why do you think its not possible? It is not FDJ thread but let me try to clarify.FDJ??????
I want what you are smoking
In worst case, we are stuck with Glazers and even in that case I think we will buy a striker and CM. We wont spend 150m on Osimhen but 150 overall on Kane and FDJ is possible.
Barca was looking to sell last season as well, its just FDJ was not willing to join. If it were on the doubts about our team, I am sure he will be open to join this summer.
Also Ten Hag seems to love FDJ and I think he will try to get him in summer.
I fully accept that this is a hugely polarising issue for the club and fans. We'll all have an opinion on it but we may wait till the club's decision is known before we wade in.
Clarify???
You have just regurgitated all the same old shit from the summer.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO COME TO MANCHESTER UNITED!
R u his close buddy?
Thing is football is business and a lot can change in one summer!! Top 4, new owners, Barcelona issues, better future project….all Of this very different to last summer…
It’s certainly worth a try ….
Obviously Lukaku!!
The saying 'flogging a dead horse' comes to mind.
Of course he hasn't. Has mentality and big injury issues. This season is a prime example. He has been great when hes played this season but hes barely played. I'd still much rather watch him that Lukaku though.
Price is going to be insane when he wins the Champions League with Napoli.
As if Napoli are going to beat City, Bayern Münich or Real Madrid in a Champions League final. They're a good team but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
God he is such a chump. Made a huge fuss to go to Inter and has done nothing there. Just so toxic. Can't see Chelsea going for Osimhen - why go to a strikers graveyard; Morata, Werner, Torres, Lukaku, Shevchenko, Crespo....
Costa and Drogba worked though......
I only offered my opinion and the clubs decision won't impact that. That decision might impact what I think of the club and the people running it depending on what it is.
And yet Lukaku remains a good example that good technique is important because productivity can make up for the lack of it only up to a point. Despite all his goals, he couldn't cement his status as a top striker because his overall game is lacking so much.
So while some people might obsess too much on strikers' technique, others obsess too much on judging a striker solely by the amount of goals.
I'm not saying any of this applies to Osimhen, by the way; I've barely seen him play so I don't really have an opinion one way or another.
Oshimhen belong to the warrior type forward like Drogba and Diego Costa, so there is a chance he may fare better. But still, I hope he doesn't go there.
Did they, Drogba has big moments, in cup finals but as a PL striker he's nearer to Robbie Keane and Peter Crouch than he is Shearer.
That's harsh mate. Both Drogba and Costa were a big success overall. No one would call the transfers average or a flop.
This is silly.
Robbie Keane and Peter Crouch no where near wining top scorer award.
Shearer record benefited from when PL was weaker league with naive tactic. His 30+ goal seasons were during 42 game per season period. In latter stage when PL quality improved, his high tally per is not that impressive. Drogba best season was better than Shearer.
Shearer may be consistent scorer in the league, but he's nowhere impressive for England or when his clubs were in in Europe. The guy is more like the Immobile of weaker days of PL.
Shearer was better than Drogba. No debate.
Crouch scored 4 more PL goals than Drogba over his career, but it took him a full 214 games more to do so, the equivalent of an extra 6 seasons at 35/36 games per season.
Without a doubt. He played for less dominant teams too, in general. Drogba was undoubtedly special but he’s not even close to Shearer’s level.
He's a Chelsea fan who idolises Drogba, not saying that alone gets us him but he certainly won't dismiss us out of hand.
Also Crespo wasn't a flop.
You can really use the ‘weaker’ argument because a player like Shearer also didn’t have all the advantages a modern striker has. If you think the league was comparatively weaker (which is debatable in itself) you have to factor in the disadvantage those players were at compared to today’s.
What you can see even watching now with the benefit of hindsight is he was basically the complete striker, he lacked out and out pace (although he wasn’t slow) but he was excellent in every other department. What you’re saying above is probably how people will talk about Kane if he stays at Spurs (didn’t score in big games for England, wasn’t able to make a big difference in the CL but great domestically) which isn’t really fair but is what happens when time passes.
No question.
But Drogba still typically appears within the top ten of most people's all time PL forwards lists. Comparing him to Crouch or Robbie Keane is silly.
But is he far away and untouchable?
His record for England is weak. No sold in European competition either. Conveniently stop hitting 30+ once PL moved away from 42 games per season.
Players is somehow good in one (weaker) league happens. See Immobile. Shearer hype In reality, PL has been raising levels since when Shearer 30+ goal per season. Shearer's Newcastle was not always just some mid table team. In many of the early season, he played for a quality Newcastle team. He was consistent by his high tally for Newcastle, but his high is not as great when compare to RvN, Henry high.
Yeah, Drogba was better than Crouch and Keane. I wasn't as big a fan of him as others. He might scrape into my top 10. It would be touch and go.
Yeah Shearer was much better.
Spurs under Pochettino had the team that should win at least a domestic cup. Kane big game record maybe questionable, but he scored enough for England and in European competition to suss away the one league bully.
Newcastle at one time was well invested. They did challenge for the league and it's less on managerial brilliance from Keegan, and more to do with how heavy their investment was. Remember Shearer didn't join Newcastle for free or cheap. He joined them for world record fee at that time! Spurs ended up with gold cheaply on luck and they failed to build on it. However, Newcastle and Shearer case is not a David vs Goliath when you applied context.
I am not saying Shearer is bad. He's one of the great no doubt, but he's not someone untouchable. I am saying he had some advantage when compared to later forwards playing in more competitive tactical PL era.
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We have to get this guy. C'mon Sheik Jasmine get your oil dollas out and give them to the italian daniel levy.
But then he had to deal with getting kicked about and all the issues today’s footballers don’t.
I’d argue todays PL is much easier to score goals in - very few teams are as defensive as those from 10+ years ago, most teams will press (and therefore won’t sit deep), none really play route one football they try to build out, all keepers take a lot more risk and are used more for possession and you get freekicks and penalties for minimal contact now.
Anyway Osimhen should be a target - get him in!
I am not really comparing to nowadays era. Just the era immediate after, with RvN, Henry still around and Chelsea brought in Drogba. By then PL clubs already started going far in CL, UEFA Cup. More high level manager from continental arrived and PL became more tactical diverse. The pre Benitez, Mourinho with their safety first approach was much more open, and tactical naive. That era still involved a lot of kick about, dark art. See our games vs Arsenal, Liverpool in this era. Shearer's clearly one of the best in PL, but he's not touchable, or he's always playing for a mid table team.
Anyways, I am not here to undermine Shearer. Just respond to a ridiculous post.
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Don't know why I want him so much, given how good Lukaku was in Serie A temporarily and it all going to shit.
But everytime a clip of him ends up on my screen I'm amazed by the fact United are where they are this season without an out and out striker who can do even a quarter of what he can.
But everytime a clip of him ends up on my screen I'm amazed by the fact United are where they are this season without an out and out striker who can do even a quarter of what he can.
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