Victor Osimhen | out of options | goes to Gala on loan

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UNITED ACADEMY said:
I'm amused how people still think that Lukaku's problem is his technique. In reality, his main problem is his movement as he tends to be too static. Technique might be partially his issue but If he doesn't have technique but has world class off ball movement, he would have been great in top club here. Cavani's technique and hold up play in his first season were the same level as Osimhen, but Cavani did well with us in his first season. Imagine Cavani with more pace and less injury prone, Osimhen will be fine. Cavani is also a Serie A striker.

Both Lukaku and Osimhen are two different kind of strikers, Osimhen and Cavani are more similar than Osimhen with Lukaku. Lukaku doesn't like to move a lot, he prefers to stay closed with defenders by bullying them with his strength and power. Osimhen and Cavani like to move a lot and has good work rate, they prefer to create space, lose markers, and run behind defenders.
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who plays high lines for us to make runs in behind? Also whats different as rashford to striker than osihmen except heading?
 
The goals yesterday was bang average againt below average teams. if ten hag wants him then il be happy, but i wont be surprised if he didnt. He needs serie A level GS in CL to be a safe 150m buy.
 
Bebestation said:
Salah is one of the most technical players of his generation. Shite all to do with strength.
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That's great and everything but i'm not sure why you're using the word strength?
 
Bebestation said:
the defending was awful today, literraly non existent. Hopefully he can get some goals in the Cl before we break the bank high.
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Yep, as I and others here have pointed out Serie A really is crap right now and him scoring lots of goals there doesn't mean that much.

I wouldn't be taking a chance on him unless he's excellent against tougher teams in the CL this season. He didn't even score in his two appearances against a mediocre Liverpool side earlier in the season - in fact when Napoli beat them 4-1 at home he just missed a penalty.

As an aside, looking at his stats "holding on to the ball" and "passing" are highlighted as supposed weaknesses in his game - which is really not the profile of player Utd should be considering for their CF.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
The reason why you think his ball control is problem is because he doesn't have the movement meaning he prefers to receive the ball on his feet constantly with defenders behind on his back. With world class movement, player can have less touch on the ball because they prefer to run behind the defenders to create big space for the striker himself or open space for others and still score. Haaland another example of player who can have less touch on the ball and still score. There was time when he had only two or three touches in a match and scored a goal. Not every strikers need to have many touches.



From what I can see from Scamacca and Arnautovic, they are so different type of striker to Osimhen meaning Scamacca and Arnautovic failures shouldn't even be compared to what Osimhen might end up. I would rather focus on ''Have we seen a striker that similar to Osimhen type of striker capable to play in PL?'' I believe we have and I named Cavani.

Have you seen a striker that similar to Osimhen type of striker fails in PL? If you struggle to know what type of striker Osimhen is then I think it's unfair for you to judge him randomly.



ETH knows his stuff imo. If he wants Osimhen because he believes he's good enough to play in PL for his system.
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Lukaku - I agree to a certain extent. However if lack of movement was the biggest issue in here then Lukaku would have struggled with smaller sides as well. Ball control on the other hand is more prevalent at top club level. That's because clubs tend to defend against these side with a low block defence and in numbers which translate to far less space for strikers to operate. Lukaku needs least a yard of space and two touches to fully control the ball. That's something such defences won't allow. Another issue is that Lukaku is not a natural scorer at least not to the extent of the likes of RVN or even Inzaghi. That's the sort of goalscoring ability players of that mould need to be to be effective at this level.

Scamacca- the guy was not at Osimhen's level but he had plenty potential to become so. There had been plenty of Serie A strikers who moved elsewhere and had failed badly. Immobile (Dortmund), Pelle, Balotelli and Maccarone to mention few.

There was a time when bringing in a Serie A striker was a guarantee of success. Defences there were so tight and their defenders were so superior when compared to the EPL that even Juventus work horse Ravanelli could come in the EPL and end up scoring loads of goals. If Batigol came to United when SAF wanted him then they might as well gave us the FA cup and the EPL title at the beginning of the season for lets say 3 years in a row as we would have operated on some sort of cheat mode.

Those times are gone though. Serie A strikers in particular are a gamble. I am not excluding that Osimhen wouldn't be a success. I am only saying that he is a gamble, a 120m-140m rated gamble. That's quite a tag price to carry as well, something that can end a manager's career with United.
 
devilish said:
Lukaku's biggest problem is his ball control. He needs two touches to fully control the ball. That's not an issue when he's playing at a small team who relies heavily on counter attack football. However it becomes a concern at a club like United when opponents defend in numbers and there's not much room/time to act.
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I love these sort of posts.

By your algorithm, which leagues are the most suitable leagues to buy players from for PL teams? And show me how you have arrived at this conclusion including the same metrics in terms of strength of the leagues, competitiveness, quality of the defenders (or players in general depending on position).
 
Rozay said:
I love these sort of posts.

By your algorithm, which leagues are the most suitable leagues to buy players from for PL teams? And show me how you have arrived at this conclusion including the same metrics in terms of strength of the leagues, competitiveness, quality of the defenders (or players in general depending on position).
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There's no algorithm but what I see with my very eyes. Regarding your question, that goes way beyond the scope of my knowledge. However if I remember well Stephen Howson had tackled the issue few months back and if memory serves me right it was La Liga followed by the French league.
 
devilish said:
There's no algorithm but what I see with my very eyes. Regarding your question, that goes way beyond the scope of my knowledge. However if I remember well Stephen Howson had tackled the issue few months back and if memory serves me right it was La Liga followed by the French league.
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That’s interesting.

There is no league at a comparable standard to the PL, and even buying players from WITHIN the PL means little. You just have to do your due diligence regarding anyone you want to sign, and Serie A is more than a good enough level of professional football for a PL club to be able to make an assessment on a player.
 
Rozay said:
That’s interesting.

There is no league at a comparable standard to the PL, and even buying players from WITHIN the PL means little. You just have to do your due diligence regarding anyone you want to sign, and Serie A is more than a good enough level of professional football for a PL club to be able to make an assessment on a player.
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Look mate I am just voicing my opinion based on over 30 years of following both leagues including the decline of the Serie A and the rise of the EPL. I never subscribed with the concept of EPL being shit (and players are lazy and unprofessional) pushed forward by the Serie A fans back in the 90s as much as I don't agree with the Serie A being hopeless as some EPL fans might think now. After all the Italian national side beat and largely dominated the English side at Wembley in the Euro final.

However I do believe that there's a massive gap in quality between the two leagues and I believe that is mostly felt up front. You don't need to be a genius to see that. Strikers who had tank elsewhere can go to the Serie A and score loads of goals. Which make players from the Serie A a gamble, in this case a 120m-140m gamble.
 
Don’t judge player based on the league where they play. Judge whether they have the assets/ability to play in PL. It makes zero sense in football knowledge saying he can’t play in PL because he plays on this or that league. Whether Osimhen can play or not in PL, I prefer to hear an opinion based on footballer’s ability not based on the league where they came from. Maguire is from PL and he couldn‘t perform at United.
 
The issue with trying to get Osimhen in the summer is that a club like Chelsea will be willing to spend 120m or more to land him which will take Utd out of the equation
 
We should never spend that kind of money on Osimhen. He is not Haaland or Mbappé, so kindly feck off Napoli.

Chelsea is going to run into FFP issues.

Take the 120 million and buy 2-4 quality players with it: a dm, a striker, a number 10 and a rb.
 
Pointless to even think about going after Kane....he's not going to leave Spurs for United
 
bosskeano said:
Pointless to even think about going after Kane....he's not going to leave Spurs for United
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I think he would. But it wouldn't be good value for us, considering the fee Levy would demand, Kane's age, and somewhat spotty injury record.
 
NLunited said:
We can win more shit with three new upgrades rather than just Kane.
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Not the point anyone made. The point that was made was kane isn't good value if he costs 80-100 mil. The counter point was that he is good value if when he signs, united go on and win shit. If united win the league title with Harry kane leading the line then it's obviously good value and a good signing.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Not the point anyone made. The point that was made was kane isn't good value if he costs 80-100 mil. The counter point was that he is good value if when he signs, united go on and win shit. If united win the league title with Harry kane leading the line then it's obviously good value and a good signing.
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What's the argument you are trying to make then? No one would give a feck about Kane costing 100m if we had a 600m budget but we don't. The entire hesitance to buying him for that price is that we aren't just a "striker away" from winning everything as a squad and shelling out a huge portion of our budget for a 30 year old that doesn't quite fit the profile in terms of running that we want is a big risk
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
What's the argument you are trying to make then? No one would give a feck about Kane costing 100m if we had a 600m budget but we don't. The entire hesitance to buying him for that price is that we aren't just a "striker away" from winning everything as a squad and shelling out a huge portion of our budget for a 30 year old that doesn't quite fit the profile in terms of running that we want is a big risk
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If we sign kane £80-100mil and he bangs in the goals next season and we win the league, it's money well spent. It's simple as that. This talk of value is bollocks when you're talking about arguably the best striker in the league and one of the best in the world.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
If we sign kane £80-100mil and he bangs in the goals next season and we win the league, it's money well spent. It's simple as that. This talk of value is bollocks when you're talking about arguably the best striker in the league and one of the best in the world.
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Are you a simpleton? It's not bollocks, we have a fecking budget and spanking it on Kane without knowing ahead of time if we win the league like some fortune teller carries an element of risk that you don't seem to be able to comprehend (not even counting that, again, we aren't just a striker away from blowing every team off the pitch).

You're acting as though it's done and dusted we buy him and the league is ours when people are debating whether he's good value. No shit if we knew ahead of time all it takes to win the league is Harry Kane then we'd be all for it at any price, but we don't.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Are you a simpleton? It's not bollocks, we have a fecking budget and spanking it on Kane without knowing ahead of time if we win the league like some fortune teller carries an element of risk that you don't seem to be able to comprehend (not even counting that, again, we aren't just a striker away from blowing every team off the pitch).

You're acting as though it's done and dusted we buy him and the league is ours when people are debating whether he's good value. No shit if we knew ahead of time all it takes to win the league is Harry Kane then we'd be all for it at any price, but we don't.
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No I'm just not a moron. Quite clearly ETH and the club would think that's a good investment (which it is) if we get him at that price. Hes seemingly one of Ten Hags number one targets for a reason. We're talking about one of the best strikers in the world already proven in the league, so yes, I do think signing Harry Kane gets us challenging for the title and a strong possiblity of winning it. The talk of value is bollocks.
 
Bebestation said:
who plays high lines for us to make runs in behind? Also whats different as rashford to striker than osihmen except heading?
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Osimhen movement isn't only about make runs in behind.

The difference between Osimhen and Rashford is that Osimhen is a striker that has cavani type of movement hence he’s better with his subtle movements to move defenders, create space and lose markers.
 
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NLunited said:
We should never spend that kind of money on Osimhen. He is not Haaland or Mbappé, so kindly feck off Napoli.

Chelsea is going to run into FFP issues.

Take the 120 million and buy 2-4 quality players with it: a dm, a striker, a number 10 and a rb.
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Which striker though?
 
croadyman said:
Which striker though?
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As said Osimhen would cost an eye watering 120m-140m. He'll be expected to hit the ground running as well as we all know that Martial is pretty useless. If you ask me I'd go for two strikers instead.

a- Marcus Thuram. He's 25, he's versatile and while not as talented as Osimhen is he's quite a solid scorer.
b- We then aim for a young striker. Leipzig for example is said to be ready to sell Sesko if a 50m bid comes their way.

If you then add the likes of Mcneill and the player that can't be named then we'll have a competitive forward line. Meanwhile we can spend the dosh in other areas as well like CM (Casemiro and Eriksen can't play week in week out) and RB.
 
devilish said:
a- Marcus Thuram. He's 25, he's versatile and while not as talented as Osimhen is he's quite a solid scorer.
b- We then aim for a young striker. Leipzig for example is said to be ready to sell Sesko if a 50m bid comes their way.

If you then add the likes of Mcneill and the player that can't be named then we'll have a competitive forward line.
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Yeah, a 25 year old who is only about to hit more than 10 league goals for the first time his entire career (he scored 3 in the Bundesliga last season), and a kid who isn’t even a guaranteed undisputed starter in the Austrian league. If that’s not enough, add in a youth player who is quite obviously so far from first team quality.

That’s one hell of a “competitive forward line”
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yeah, a 25 year old who is only about to hit more than 10 league goals for the first time his entire career (he scored 3 in the Bundesliga last season), and a kid who isn’t even a guaranteed undisputed starter in the Austrian league. If that’s not enough, add in a youth player who is quite obviously so far from first team quality.

That’s one hell of a “competitive forward line”
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You are right, the likes of Thuram & Sesko aren't good enough or ready to lead the line for a team aspiring to win trophies, we really need a top class CF who can deliver now, even though Osimhen is too expensive for his ability, but he has an excellent goal scoring record in Serie A, with 40G and 12A in 68 appearances, if he is a target, then I hope the club has assessed him properly before they go and attempt to sign him, as we all know he'll cost a bomb, and as well know, the striker market is basically dead, not that many of options to go with.
 
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