Lukaku looked incredible there and so did Pogba during his first Juve spell.
Both were incredibly disappointing here.
Both were incredibly disappointing here.
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Is there any other point to Lukaku comparisons apart from the racist ones?
Nobody ignores it, but it's simply not relevant.
1 player doing good or bad doesn't mean you'll never sign somebody.
Most players come from Portugal do well in England, but because Nunez is having a poor time does that mean we don't sign any more?
Osimhen has scored against PL opposition for Lille and Napoli, he will be fine here.
It is relevant in the sense that caution needs to be taken when signing some players from serie a, in particular players like osimhen who will go for a massively inflated fee, at least £100m.
Would absolutely love Kane if it's possible, not sure how viable it is though given that Levy wouldn't sell us a cold
Let alone their greatest player in the PL era. Think he'd much sooner sell him abroad than to United but who knows, maybe Kane himself forces the issue to stay in England.
If not then Osimhen is my favorite target and he's the perfect age and profile to be long lasting asset and key piece for ETH's United. Ticks so many boxes for a suitable no.9 in his system.
There's no way Kane leaves England. He's only 60 off Shearer in the all time list and probably needs at least 2.5-3 years to do that and can't rely on coming back in 2-4 years and still doing it.
Salah scored plenty in Italy and came here just fine. Why is Lukaku the reference we use?
Smalling is playing for Roma right now who was a good PL CB for a long time, and he's scoring against him no problem.
It can be flipped with Salah going from decent Serie A player to best player in the EPL. Sometimes players fail not because of the league but the team dynamics and environment. Lukaku scored a lot in England, at one point he was rivalling Harry Kane, he also scored at the same rate in both leagues. This gets forgotten for some bizarre reason, Lukaku had 25 goals one season in England.
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Pogba was never incredible at Juventus, he had a great highlight reel but also he was surrounded by a fantastic set of midfielders which limited his flaws from being highlighted. The PogBoom youtube videos didn't show how inconsistent he was or how he was considered the worst number 10 in their history when they tried to shoehorn him there because like here, they weren't sure where to get the best out of him.
Where should United sign from if we can just disregard a top 5 league like Serie A
He was 18 when he came into their first team, a very select few put up consistent 10/10 prrformances in that age. He was a very good player in their midfield no doubt he defo had good players around him but he struggled much more here and this will happen to osimhen too without a doubt. Not saying we should not sign him.It can be flipped with Salah going from decent Serie A player to best player in the EPL. Sometimes players fail not because of the league but the team dynamics and environment. Lukaku scored a lot in England, at one point he was rivalling Harry Kane, he also scored at the same rate in both leagues. This gets forgotten for some bizarre reason, Lukaku had 25 goals one season in England.
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Pogba was never incredible at Juventus, he had a great highlight reel but also he was surrounded by a fantastic set of midfielders which limited his flaws from being highlighted. The PogBoom youtube videos didn't show how inconsistent he was or how he was considered the worst number 10 in their history when they tried to shoehorn him there because like here, they weren't sure where to get the best out of him.
Where should United sign from if we can just disregard a top 5 league like Serie A
Imo he is a very good ST candidate for ETH, in terms of his pressing osimhen is up there on the rankings amongst the top. He is also very quick and athletic but the tempo over thete in serie a is night and day compared to the PL. How much will he cost if Napoli win the title? If someone like enzo went for £110m?
Other clubs will be in the mix too. Thing is if we signed him fans will expect just because of the price he's going to score every game, no, he will 100% have to go through the period of adjusting. Also it's an entire different thing playing for a club like Napoli vs Man United. Not all players have the character required.
Memphis was ranked amongst the top talents in europe at the time we signed him and it was brutally sad how that turned out, as was Martial, Donny etc..
Imagine they spent £120m on this guy and he became a massive flop..
I am not saying we will end up getting him - but we are mad if we don't try everything we can to sign this guy.
I don't think there is any doubt the club is going to give it a try.
Would he even flourish in our team?
I am one of Rashford's biggest fans but even I can admit that he's probably not the ideal LW for a lot of strikers out there.
On the other flank Antony has 1 assist in all comps for us which came in the FA cup.
I am one of Rashford's biggest fans but even I can admit that he's probably not the ideal LW for a lot of strikers out there.
On the other flank Antony has 1 assist in all comps for us which came in the FA cup.
The player we have in the 10 position loves an assist
Edit even Rashford has 8 assists this season
I suppose.....
Just feels like a graveyard shift to me. That comes from a variety of reasons though. Our fullbacks aren't that creative and I know Shaw got an assist yesterday but they aren't too common. With AWB it is even less common and Dalot also hasn't shown consistency in his crossing.
Antony doesn't look like he knows how to cross. Averaging 1.5crosses a game so far which is abysmal.
Heh?
I haven’t been reading this thread but I’d hope the point is about whether Serie A level can translate in the English league, but for those that have watched Osimhen know his overall game is levels ahead.
Nigerian Darwin Nunez.
Being a striker in the modern day isn't solely about scoring goals.
With Rashford and Osimhen in the same team, NO TEAM is going to play a high line against us without being in big trouble.
That will earn our midfield 5 yards less pressure, teams won't be able to press us without serious danger.
He also works very hard defensively always closing defenders. He's the perfect modern striker really.
? Osimhen can finish that's the difference.
I'd sign that top player for the name alone causing havoc with poor pundits and commentators.
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Do people keep mentioning this totally unaware of the fact that Lukaku built his reputation in England, not Italy? We didn’t pay £75m for him on the back of his Serie A exploits.
Lukaku had played many seasons and scored more than 100 PL goals from way before he set foot in Serie A.
We won't have the funds for this if the ownership position at United remains unchanged. At this point, we really have no idea how much (or how little) United might have to spend this summer.
Henderson, Maguire, McTominay and Martial are all mentioned as players we might offload in the summer. If Newcastle are interested in McTominay, that could be £30 mil + and it's not unrealistic that the other 3 could cost close to £50 million combined. If we even get a little bit for Telles and Bailly we could get close to £100 million for these.
The more I watch of Osimhen I really like him, but I agree with this.
Kvara will be a Balon d’Or level player one day imo. If I had to sign one it’d be him.
Kvaradona is the player that Grealish thinks he is.
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More like Nigerian Cavani than Nunez imo. Scoring lot of goals in Portuguese league is much easier than in Serie A.
Can we trick them with a cheeky 45m plus Martial?
Even 90m plus Martial is still good for us. Martial wages is 250k pw which equivalent to 13m per year.
Agree. But they're both class, and really, we won't ever be in a situation where we'll go for Kvara given our left wingers which is fine. But he is class. He's got Barca written all over him IMO.
Osimhen has elite potential as a CF too though and is already class. Bruno would have a field day with him and Rashford making runs all day.
Break the bank for him.
Salah is one of the most technical players of his generation. Shite all to do with strength.
I'm amused how people still think that Lukaku's problem is his technique. In reality, his main problem is his movement as he tends to be too static. Technique might be partially his issue but If he doesn't have technique but has world class off ball movement, he would have been great in top club here. Cavani's technique and hold up play in his first season were the same level as Osimhen, but Cavani did well with us in his first season. Imagine Cavani with more pace and less injury prone, Osimhen will be fine. Cavani is also a Serie A striker.
Both Lukaku and Osimhen are two different kind of strikers, Osimhen and Cavani are more similar than Osimhen with Lukaku. Lukaku doesn't like to move a lot, he prefers to stay closed with defenders by bullying them with his strength and power. Osimhen and Cavani like to move a lot and has good work rate, they prefer to create space, lose markers, and run behind defenders.
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Anyone who follows my posts know that I follow and love the Serie A. I've seen some of the best players ever playing there and in my opinion the best team ever assembled played there as well. However we're not in the 80s and the 90s anymore. The Serie A is far weaker then the EPL and that on top of many 'intrinsic' flaws like its less physical and less intense. Its a league were the likes of Immobile, Abraham and Lookman can top the goalscoring charts. Take Scamacca as an example. He scored 16 goals last season. How is he doing with West Ham now?
I am not saying that we shouldn't take a punt if the opportunity arise but Osimhen is definitely not one of them. Napoli is a rich club and in terms of difficulty in dealing with the owner De Laurentiis makes Levy look like Woodward. On top of that they bought the guy for 70m euros which means that they would want at least double of that. Finally Napoli are playing the best football since a certain Diego Armando Maradona was playing for them. They are firing on all cylinders with Kvaratskhelia acting as a goal/assist machine as well. Can Osimhen replicate that in a more difficult and defensive league? I doubt it.
I am not saying that we shouldn't take a punt if the opportunity arise but Osimhen is definitely not one of them. Napoli is a rich club and in terms of difficulty in dealing with the owner De Laurentiis makes Levy look like Woodward. On top of that they bought the guy for 70m euros which means that they would want at least double of that. Finally Napoli are playing the best football since a certain Diego Armando Maradona was playing for them. They are firing on all cylinders with Kvaratskhelia acting as a goal/assist machine as well. Can Osimhen replicate that in a more difficult and defensive league? I doubt it.
Lukaku's biggest problem is his ball control. He needs two touches to fully control the ball. That's not an issue when he's playing at a small team who relies heavily on counter attack football. However it becomes a concern at a club like United when opponents defend in numbers and there's not much room/time to act.
I have seen many times Cavani miss control when he was at United, yet he still performed in his first season here. Mainly because he has great off ball movement. The point is that Lukaku doesn't have both technique/ball control and off ball movement. Meaning Lukaku is too limited to outclass good defenders. If strikers have one of these, they can use it in one of their asset to outclass defenders. Osimhen has one of these, which his movement. Is Osimhen off ball movement poor?
If we are going to make comparison for this argument we should make comparison with similar type of strikers not just because they played in the same league. IMO it's lazy argument to make point that just because they are from Serie A meaning they are likely will have the same fate. Surely you want to consider why Scamacca fail at PL now?? Is Scamacca the same kind of striker as Osimhen?? Does Immobile know how to adapt in different country and league?? Will Osimhen have the same problem failing to adapt to different country and league after proven capable to perform in two different leagues like Ligue 1 and Serie A?? There has to be more reasons than just ''they play in Serie A''.
Lukaku's ball control is shocking and far worse then Cavani's. It takes him 2 touches to fully control a ball and between one touch and another the ball might move a metre away from him. That makes it easy for the opposition defence to defend against that especially once they learn his flaw.
Regarding your latter question its so difficult to analyse a Serie A player because the gap between the two leagues is so huge. We're talking of a league were the likes of Lookman, Immobile, Scamacca, Abraham and a 33 year old Arnautovic can score tons of goals in. What I know for sure is that Napoli will take us to the cleaners for him and at that price its simply not worth it. We're not talking of a Haaland level of player here let alone a Van Basten one which is the fee Napoli would ask for.
Its really funny because back in the 90s I used to have the very same argument but in reverse. Anyway, my point is this. The gap between the two leagues is ridiculously huge and the style of play is very different. Such transfer deal might work or it might not. Actually if you look at the track record as of late then most of the time it didn't work. That means that whoever moves from the Serie A to the EPL is going to be a huge gamble. Can you really gamble 120m-140m on a player? Cause that is what Napoli will be asking.
The reason why you think his ball control is problem is because he doesn't have the movement meaning he prefers to receive the ball on his feet constantly with defenders behind on his back. With world class movement, player can have less touch on the ball because they prefer to run behind the defenders to create big space for the striker himself or open space for others and still score. Haaland another example of player who can have less touch on the ball and still score. There was time when he had only two or three touches in a match and scored a goal. Not every strikers need to have many touches.
From what I can see from Scamacca and Arnautovic, they are so different type of striker to Osimhen meaning Scamacca and Arnautovic failures shouldn't even be compared to what Osimhen might end up. I would rather focus on ''Have we seen a striker that similar to Osimhen type of striker capable to play in PL?'' I believe we have and I named Cavani.
Have you seen a striker that similar to Osimhen type of striker fails in PL? If you struggle to know what type of striker Osimhen is then I think it's unfair for you to judge him randomly.
ETH knows his stuff imo. If he wants Osimhen because he believes he's good enough to play in PL for his system.
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