De Jong pulled onto AWB and he was sleeping.
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Have to throw williams in there as well. All 3 fecked up
exactly, i just translated to English. But the first part too. Nothing too unusual anyway.
Maguire too, was in no mans land.
Yes but he's shoulder to shoulder with De Jong when the ball is wide. If he looks around he can see Greenwood covering. At that stage he just has to stay with De Jong. He lets him go because he, like the rest of our defenders, lack awareness. They're poor when the game is not in front of them and they have to look around and assess what's unfolding.
Another example of what we’ve all been complaining about all season. He doesn’t want to tackle. He should have put the ball out for a throw or at least fouled him and let the team get back into position. Instead he just stands there like a shepherd and the guy can do what he likes, zero pressure.
both of those goals sum exactly why he should be nowhere near the first team.
Paul Ince has played football, and he said the same thing, so don't try to claim the footballing authority.
Your logic doesn't work either - AWB's choices aren't stop marking or give away a penalty, otherwise he should never mark anyone ever.
He can also quite clearly see that Lindelof isn't in position to deal with De Jong, so he absolutely shouldn't have the expectation that he's gonna deal with it.
Can't really excuse him for losing concentration in a big game at clutch moment. There's more pressing areas to improve right now, but after those, a cb that comes and replaces the iceman in first XI is a must.
He reminds me of Evans, with his constant brainfarts and with everyone saying we're fine with him, when I just don't fecking see it. Oh, and we chased him for 2 transfer windows, feck me.
He reminds me of Evans, with his constant brainfarts and with everyone saying we're fine with him, when I just don't fecking see it. Oh, and we chased him for 2 transfer windows, feck me.
Got the impression he shifted over to help williams incase he got beat 1v1 but only he'll know what he was thinking.
No he was completely aware, saw the striker, saw his CB who had 2 looks at the striker and nothing else to do and thought theres absolutely no reason why I would need to be superman and bail out a CB from doing their one job. Thats why he turns his body and is ready to run away from the goal, because this should have been defended very easily. You know, if our CB in the middle actually wanted to defend.
AWB has the left winger to mark. What was lindelof doing? 1 man in the box, only guy that can score.... does nothing but ball watch.
Totally agree. Some United team we have that can't defend, pass or finish against Sevilla..
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? AWB was marking the man, he needs to continue marking the man.
Its actually a bit unfair on Evans as Evans did have a good season way beyond any of Lindelof's. I can see the similarities though
I agree with you! I played right back during my younger days. In those circumstances RB has to take responsibility.
He simply thinks Lindelof has it covered, because theres no reason for him not to have it covered.
His real mistake is having some faith in Lindelof
Maguire was very much moving out to cover WIlliams, he started moving in again and was caught out of position so yes, at fault. AWB was slightly behind DejOng and had the wrong body position, stopped movign when he should have tried to put him off and at fault yes. But Lindelof had absolutely no need to cover Maguire space that is absolutely rubbish, there was ONE player anywhere near him, behind him and he didnt watch him at all once he was in the box, just moved towards the near post, absolutely diaboilical and its hardly the first time he has been caught out this season from crosses.
Wy on earth are you going on about players having to step forward to cover space of other players when there is ONE player to recieve the cross who is directly behind him, your talking rubbish you dont hav eto cover spaces of other players when there is one player anywhere near the ball in the box, you have to cover the opposing player, that is it, he is the only danger, so mentiining under 10s as some kind of condescending argument, maybe you never got further than that level then if I can be condescendign back, absolute rubbish you are talking
What left-winger? The left-winger was nowhere to be seen. He's stood next to De Jong, he should absolutely continue to mark him instead of ball watching.
Not sure I agree with you there. Lindelof's positioning was admittedly poor but AWB simply cannot let a forward run off his shoulder like that and expect to get away with it.
Both times Lindelof glanced around he saw AWB covering De Jong so (rightfully) thought that AWB would continue doing so. He doesn't have eyes in the back of his head to let him know that AWB just stops.
Lindelof still should have done a better job trying to cut out that cross, but that was his priority. Cutting out the cross, not covering the man who was already being marked by somebody else.
Yes that is a mistake.
You cannot make that kind of assumption in a defensive situation. Even if you were playing with Jaap Stam or Nemanja Vidic, as a defender your job is to anticipate danger. You get to where you need to be if it goes wrong (which it invariably does with Lindelof) not assume it is all gonna be alright.
Why should he mark him when Lindelöf is the centre back and standing next to him? Your fullbacks never ever mark a striker from a cross it’s just stupid to even suggest it. Would evra mark somebody for vidic? Not a chance.
lindelof has 1 job there to mark the man and stop him scoring, instead he’s playing zonal like it’s a free kick. Useless.
I don't want to read another post here saying he reads the game well. He needs to seek out the danger. It's criminal to be a CB and be completely unaware where their CF is. It's a mistake by AWB but Lindelof showed no leadership or proactivity.
'He actually had a very good game , apart from the awful defending that lead to the goal' - Problem with this quote is it's been written far too many times in his career. I myself I think have wrote it before , how many is he allowed before he's deemed incompetent at the highest level? - Genuine question
Funny how his fanboys are now balming AWB, when the blame should be mainly on Lindelöf. His mistake turns into AWB 'mistake', but AWB is not Maldini. Yeah he could have saved it, but isn't expected too. For Lindelöf, it should have been basic CB defending. That is the problem. AWB was expecting Lindelöf to do it. And neither did in the end. Another reason why he isnt good enough, zero communication.
AWB was more at fault for the first goal.
AWB was more at fault for the first goal.
son of a bitch is closer to filho da puta than motherfecker, in fact it's the literal translation. since son of a bitch can be heavier than motherfecker, I prefer the closest translation to reflect intent
I didn't see the first part though. I'll take your word for it.
Do you know what irked me about Maguire when the goal went in and Lindelof/Fernandes were having a little spat, he did nothing, he stood there looking gormless and he was silent. Even after the first goal he didn’t react and try to gee up the players or calm Williams down etc. He’s supposed to be captain but rarely shows his leadership qualities, if he has any, on the pitch.
I'm completely done with him. Those who are saying he's better than Maguire are out of their minds, and I'm no fan of Maguire, either.
I would argue basic defending is not letting a player who you are right next to run off you in your own box
He was stood next to him mate. Hardly a superhuman effort needed to let him get away. We're also talking about Luuk De Jong, not the fastest player ever. AWB could very easily match him had he not switched off for whatever reason.
And as I have just said to @Ekeke that's an awful mistake because, as a defender, Lindelof's job is to anticipate danger. He has to act as if AWB will get beaten by his man. Sniffing danger is a key part of playing centre back. You can't just gamble that you can let the ball run across you cos someone else will deal with it. Lindelof just doesn't take responsibility for the situation enough and again his meekness has cost us.
I was biting my nails off anytime ball came to him. Just out of curiosity, which season was that? He only had one good season appearance wise, and that was 11-12, and I'd say he was shite just for making that 6-1 game happen.
Nobody said that, but we lost the match not because of mistakes in defence but in the attack. If you are totally happy with the attack tonight,
“you may need to have a word with yourself”.
This is nonsense. Evans played a lot of the games in our record clean sheet run in 08/09. He played more than Vidic when we last won the league in 12/13.
Squad player at best.
First the Southamton corner, then Giroud and now todays mistake. Just not good enough positionally.
The entire point of AWB marking him is to let him go onto the CB when the CB is aware of the player.
The CB looked twice, fully aware of a striker and just didnt want to do his job.
AWB wasnt playing as the 3rd CB. And he made the mistake of having a little bit of faith in Lindelof defending something and turned his body to get ready to move forward because it should have been defended quite easily.
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Ask yourself why is Lindelöf happy to let AWB mark someone who is much taller and stronger in the air then he is when he himself is not marking anyone.
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