[mancan92]

Played decently but as we know he is weak physically I have no idea how a guy half his size bullied him at the far post.

 

[Revan]

Our only non-attacking player who was playing well, and then fecked it up on the last minute.

 

[TrustInOle]

Thought he was solid today, along with Harry. Unlucky on the corner.

 

[mancan92]

Played very well today. Those that blame him for the goal have never played football before.

I've played CB all my life. He was weak. It was a 50/50 based on pure strength and he got out muscled that should never happen unless your marking Giroud.

 

[Siviz]

He had a very solid game. As for the corner at the end... The fact that the ball even drops all the way to the grass is a collective failure. There are three Southampton players on the far post and one United player (Lindelof), while seven (FECKING SEVEN) players are marking THREE Southampton players on the near post. I mean, come on.

 

[L1nk]

Not really sure how anyone can blame Lindelof for this, I mean look at this, Maguire and Wan Bissaka are seemingly marking each other, Fred's in no man's land, and Lindelof has to seemingly cover 2/3 players on his own, and De Gea has acres of space in which to come and collect the ball yet he doesn't, yes he got outmuscled but he shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

Their obviously Zonal marking and Lindelof's zone is the back post, problem is he has multiple players in his zone and not one of them was a Manchester United player to help out.

Some of you really have an agenda against this man and it shows

 

[mancan92]

More than 1 person can be responsible for a goal infact normally its more than one error.

Firstly we are setup terribly, secondly matic loses the header, thirdly de gea is a statue, for maguire for some reason leaves his zone and finally linderlof is weak at the back post.

They are all to blame. Linderlof included.

 

[The Boy]

Thought he actually had a very good game tonight, he gets a lot of stick, but I rate him as a player. His interceptions are excellent and his reading of the game is generally very good as well. I came on to point out that I didn't think that last minute goal was really his fault, but previous posts have pointed that out better than I could.

 

[Class of 63]

Dropped a bollock for their equaliser, otherwise, and by quite some distance our best defender on the night.

 

[SambaBoy]

Not really sure how anyone can blame Lindelof for this, I mean look at this, Maguire and Wan Bissaka are seemingly marking each other, Fred's in no man's land, and Lindelof has to seemingly cover 2/3 players on his own, and De Gea has acres of space in which to come and collect the ball yet he doesn't, yes he got outmuscled but he shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

Their obviously Zonal marking and Lindelof's zone is the back post, problem is he has multiple players in his zone and not one of them was a Manchester United player to help out.

Some of you really have an agenda against this man and it shows

Which is fair enough if he''s actually marking zonally, but he's not. He's touch tight to Obafemi and gets bullied. If the ball had fell to either of the other two then he would have been nowhere near. He's not the only one at fault, but you can't absolve him of any blame. In zonal marking, you react to what happens, when he sees the movement from Obafemi to come back, that's when he needs to use his strength and make it impossible for him to reach the ball. In zonal marking, you don't just stand there waiting for the ball to hit you on the head to clear.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Not really sure how anyone can blame Lindelof for this, I mean look at this, Maguire and Wan Bissaka are seemingly marking each other, Fred's in no man's land, and Lindelof has to seemingly cover 2/3 players on his own, and De Gea has acres of space in which to come and collect the ball yet he doesn't, yes he got outmuscled but he shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

Their obviously Zonal marking and Lindelof's zone is the back post, problem is he has multiple players in his zone and not one of them was a Manchester United player to help out.

Some of you really have an agenda against this man and it shows

This right here. The most damning thing for me is De Gea. Three steps and a jump and the ball is punched away. He needs to command his box or teams will just keep doing this...

 

[Freak]

Fair enough that the ball could have been cleared before it reached his area but bloody hell when it did reach their attacker, how fecking weak was the guy? No anticipation, not throwing his body to want to get that clearance.

 

[SAFMUTD]

If anyone should be blamed here is De Gea, he never gets out of his line those corners into the 18 yard box should be cleared by the GK always.

Teams know De Gea is afraid of going out so they aim for there.

 

[tjb]

I'm sorry but he's too weak for me. I believe in the EPL, you need stronger more aerially present centre backs.

 

[dabeast]

Did you see the game this evening? He was pretty good I thought.

I did see the game. I saw Lindelof celebrate when he cut out a routine cross. I saw him go for headers and not win some of them. The ones he did win I saw him not be able to direct and often go to the other team. I saw him being outmuscled and out-thought by an attacker half his size for the goal. I saw him not being able to step into midfield and initiate attacks. What game did you see?

 

[roonster09]

He had good game but he was poor for the second goal. He should be clearing them all day.

Apart from that his defending was very good, made some very good interceptions. Like everyone he struggled with their press too, made few clumsy touches and lost the ball. As a team we struggled with their pressing, didn't help with AWB not controlling any ball or any midfielder helping him out in possession.

 

[Kostov]

I though this was his best game for us until the last moment goal. He was very determined and won many duels, blocked nicely, and was at the right place many times, I though he was our best player alongside Martial and Rashford, and then that goal, he should have done better.

 

[11101]

Huh? He had some good passes, but other times he gave away the ball easily. If you look at how we played today, we weren’t able to play out from the back and a lot of it comes down to Lindelöf not being comfortable taking a few touches. He doesn’t have the composure which I find strange since he was branded ‘the iceman’ when he came to us. He gives the ball to AWB when AWB is under pressure far too often. Either that or he hoofs it up. Maguire is actually able to take a touch, get an overview and find unmarked players, or even dribble with the ball forward to create space.

He did have at least one crucial interception which comes to mind. Overall I think he defended well for most of the game, but then again at the last goal he was way too static against Obafemi who bullied him. He was probably a bit isolated because we were down to 10 men, but if we’re blaming anyone for the goal it has to be him.

Overall quite disappointing really and far from one of his best games for us. When reminiscing about his best games for us his game agaist Juve comes to mind. This was no where near that performance. He certainly didn’t lead the defence.

We need a better center back.

I think you have the interpretation totally wrong there. Taking touches is exactly what got us into trouble. Maguire (it was not only him, but he was the biggest culprit) was taking forever to pick a pass and it was allowing Southampton to press us right up to our own goal. The back line was getting pushed further and further back, and Matic and Pogba were dropping ever deeper to collect the ball. We needed crisp one or two touch passing to beat the press which is what Lindelof was doing, often when bailing Maguire out after he had taken too long and run out of options.

Nothing wrong with passing to AWB. A CB should do that most of the time. What's wrong is AWB was terrible yesterday and didn't know what to do with it.

 

[Ekeke]

Had one of his best games for United, till the final minute when he switched off. He won the ball more than normal, made some important defensive contributions and overall defended well. There are some childish posters who want to believe I hate Lindelof, but if he played like the first 90 minutes of the match in half his games for United I'd be much more convinced by him. He doesn't. Games like this - till the final mistake - are an outlier for Lindelof. Normally he doesnt take that responsiblity like he did.

So onto the mistake at the end. Every CB makes mistakes, its all about their contribution until that point and how often they make them. Because he actually played well until the mistake I'm not going to go over the top about 1 mistake. I didnt when Jones used to play well for 85 mins and then make a mistake, or other players. I gave up on them when it became too much of a pattern. And one match isnt a pattern.

If he plays like he played against Southampton in the majority of his games for us, minus the costly error at the end I will like him as a CB. He usually makes far less of a contribution so right now I don't rate him.

 

[11101]

Around the 43rd minute he’s dicking around with the ball and eventually loses it because he’s afraid to pass it forward. I hate his cowardness more than anything.

Happened a few times. Matic and to a lesser extent Pogba were the ones to blame for that. The reason is that Southampton were so disciplined in tracking our runners, Greenwood and Rashford couldn't escape their markers and so there were never any clear passes forward. Their markers could focus entirely on them as there were were also no options into midfield because Matic was dropping right into the backline and Bruno was staying high. Any pass to him would be a long one crossing a lot of dangerous ground i.e not a good choice. The whole defence was left passing between themselves.

 

[The Original]

Not really sure how anyone can blame Lindelof for this, I mean look at this, Maguire and Wan Bissaka are seemingly marking each other, Fred's in no man's land, and Lindelof has to seemingly cover 2/3 players on his own, and De Gea has acres of space in which to come and collect the ball yet he doesn't, yes he got outmuscled but he shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

Their obviously Zonal marking and Lindelof's zone is the back post, problem is he has multiple players in his zone and not one of them was a Manchester United player to help out.

Some of you really have an agenda against this man and it shows

Except Lindelof is not marking three players, he is marking just one player, which is the one he eventually loses to; to add to that, he's actually played him onside...not sure these images prove your point.

 

[Isotope]

Not really sure how anyone can blame Lindelof for this, I mean look at this, Maguire and Wan Bissaka are seemingly marking each other, Fred's in no man's land, and Lindelof has to seemingly cover 2/3 players on his own, and De Gea has acres of space in which to come and collect the ball yet he doesn't, yes he got outmuscled but he shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

Their obviously Zonal marking and Lindelof's zone is the back post, problem is he has multiple players in his zone and not one of them was a Manchester United player to help out.

Some of you really have an agenda against this man and it shows

He only man marked one person. One player. It's just so obvious he fecked it up. Why do people try to justify this by making up wild theory, instead of just tell it like it is. Is it how you approach life when make mistake? Instead of just own it, people try to shifting blame with excuses?

He's been pretty good though. So just like a striker could missed a shitter, CB could also make mistake once a while.

 

[11101]

I've played CB all my life. He was weak. It was a 50/50 based on pure strength and he got out muscled that should never happen unless your marking Giroud.

It's nothing to do with getting outmuscled or not. The mistakes had already been made before that. When the ball is coming towards them, both fighting each other, it's sheer luck as to which of them gets their boot on it first in the split second they have to react. It's not about being stronger and every CB on the planet concedes goals like that at some point.

 

[Ekeke]

Except Lindelof is not marking three players, he is marking just one player, which is the one he eventually loses to; to add to that, he's actually played him onside...not sure these images prove your point.

Also, if he was stronger in the air he would be in the cluster in front of him competing for the first ball.

Matic, Maguire and McTominay are all there competing for that ball instead of marking at the back post because Lindelof is not strong in the air.

That said its absolutely true that between them they should be able to get some decent contact and clear the ball away. Thats what they are there for, its Maguire's defensive strength and Matic + McTominay's height is one of their main strengths so they should be using it there. So I do think its fair to say they contributed to Lindelof coming up short as well. All of them are to blame

 

[Macern]

I think you have the interpretation totally wrong there. Taking touches is exactly what got us into trouble. Maguire (it was not only him, but he was the biggest culprit) was taking forever to pick a pass and it was allowing Southampton to press us right up to our own goal. The back line was getting pushed further and further back, and Matic and Pogba were dropping ever deeper to collect the ball. We needed crisp one or two touch passing to beat the press which is what Lindelof was doing, often when bailing Maguire out after he had taken too long and run out of options.

Nothing wrong with passing to AWB. A CB should do that most of the time. What's wrong is AWB was terrible yesterday and didn't know what to do with it.

Yeah AWB wasn't comfortable under the high pressure either, but I felt he didn't get much help from Lindelöf when he got the ball from him whilst being under heavy pressure. I don't agree with you though, not taking touches and playing fast two-touch is a good idea when you're able to find an unmarked teammate, but Lindelöf seemed to not have any overview of his teammates and decided to constantly use AWB when the latter couldn't handle it very well.

You rarely see Maguire passing to Shaw when he's under pressure. Usually he is a bit more clever with the ball and finds someone else.

I'm not going to put all the blame on Lindelöf for our poor buildup yesterday though. Despite what you said about Pogba and Matic dropping deeper I think we didn't get deep enough with our midfielders / not deep enough with enough midfielders to outnumber them centrally and play ourselves out of the pressure. Matic was deep but could've dropped between the center backs more often, but that only works if Bruno is dropping deeper, in which case you should outnumber the opposition and make it easier to play out. I could go on but this isn't the thread for it. Lindelöf is a decent player on the ball, but definitely not as good as Maguire. He's also not a Ramos type of player who sticks his head out and wins us the game in crucial moments. I really hope we get a top class center back in the summer or maybe even someone like Ake who I think would be a slight improvement.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

Maguire marking nobody and let the ball go past him.

De Gea watches the ball go across the goal 3 ft in front of him and does nothing.

Yes Lindeloff was wrong side of his man but pinning the goal on him is lazy.

Defensively we need to improve as a unit.

 

[VP89]

Which is fair enough if he''s actually marking zonally, but he's not. He's touch tight to Obafemi and gets bullied. If the ball had fell to either of the other two then he would have been nowhere near. He's not the only one at fault, but you can't absolve him of any blame. In zonal marking, you react to what happens, when he sees the movement from Obafemi to come back, that's when he needs to use his strength and make it impossible for him to reach the ball. In zonal marking, you don't just stand there waiting for the ball to hit you on the head to clear.

He wasn't operating touch tight - he was operating zonally. Obafemi was offside and away from Lindelof before he drifted back inside (at the time of the screenshot) for the knock down.

 

[romufc]

Not sure why he gets blamed for the goal

Agenda. There is an agenda against Lindelof. I have seen people calling him a mid table defender.. well he was the best of our defenders today. So what does that say about Maguire and AWB?

I do not think Lindelof is the best, but he is better than what people give him credit for.

There is a blame every goal at Lindelof culture developing at this club now.

Spurs goal - we know who was at fault and people blamed Lindelof for not covering.
Bournemouth - people blamed Lindelof for going for the ball from the cross.
Yesterday - Pogba was at fault, and lets be honest, it was a fantastic delivery into the box for the corner.

 

[VP89]

Maguire marking nobody and let the ball go past him.

De Gea watches the ball go across the goal 3 ft in front of him and does nothing.

Yes Lindeloff was wrong side of his man but pinning the goal on him is lazy.

Defensively we need to improve as a unit.

In my opinion he was our best player after Marital and the caf reaction to the goal a massive joke.

 

[Fracture90]

He had some very important interceptions but at the highest of levels (which we strive to achieve) you're judged by your mistakes. At the end of the day with all of his shortcomings he's always going to be a liability.

 

[Parma Dewol]

I really thought we'd see it out until Williams' injury, weird how something like that can break a team's concentration.

With the equaliser, I think two or three in the back line could have done better (not to mention it was a silly corner to concede after having possession moments earlier), but looking at the still images, I now wish Lindelof had stayed the other side of Obafemi; had he done so, I think the scorer would have been offside after the ball had been headed on?

 

[11101]

Yeah AWB wasn't comfortable under the high pressure either, but I felt he didn't get much help from Lindelöf when he got the ball from him whilst being under heavy pressure. I don't agree with you though, not taking touches and playing fast two-touch is a good idea when you're able to find an unmarked teammate, but Lindelöf seemed to not have any overview of his teammates and decided to constantly use AWB when the latter couldn't handle it very well.

You rarely see Maguire passing to Shaw when he's under pressure. Usually he is a bit more clever with the ball and finds someone else.

I'm not going to put all the blame on Lindelöf for our poor buildup yesterday though. Despite what you said about Pogba and Matic dropping deeper I think we didn't get deep enough with our midfielders / not deep enough with enough midfielders to outnumber them centrally and play ourselves out of the pressure. Matic was deep but could've dropped between the center backs more often, but that only works if Bruno is dropping deeper, in which case you should outnumber the opposition and make it easier to play out. I could go on but this isn't the thread for it. Lindelöf is a decent player on the ball, but definitely not as good as Maguire. He's also not a Ramos type of player who sticks his head out and wins us the game in crucial moments. I really hope we get a top class center back in the summer or maybe even someone like Ake who I think would be a slight improvement.

That's the difference between our two CBs. Southampton were cutting a lot of options out, Maguire's solution was to hold the ball longer and play it safe back to De Gea or to another defender, Lindelof was looking for slightly riskier passes but still trying to play out fairly quickly. You will never break a press with the former, Lindelof had the right idea, but we need to be better at it as a team. Matic is not good receiving the ball under pressure and Pogba loses concentration.

Like i say, it all comes down to our midfield not being able to get into space and provide passing options out of the defence. A lot of that comes because Matic was getting too deep and sitting in a flat line with the defence. Bruno stays high by instruction, and that leaves Pogba on his own. Matic and Pogba should be 10-20 yards in front of the defence and Maguire/Lindelof should play it to them within a couple of touches. If they hold it any longer the opposition closes those passes off and then it becomes much harder to play out.

 

[Vernon Philander]

In my opinion he was our best player after Marital and the caf reaction to the goal a massive joke.

People seem to forget that as a defender, you rely on luck to sometimes go your way, especially on set pieces where balls can bounce around anywhere.

Lindelof had but a split second when that ball was flicked on, and it was more luck, imo, than anything else that gave the goal.

Definite overreaction going on here.

 

[Berbasbullet]

He was really good again, win so many battles and made great blocks time and time again. He was more assertive, not great at the end but honestly it happens.

 

[A-man]

That's the difference between our two CBs. Southampton were cutting a lot of options out, Maguire's solution was to hold the ball longer and play it safe back to De Gea or to another defender, Lindelof was looking for slightly riskier passes but still trying to play out fairly quickly. You will never break a press with the former, Lindelof had the right idea, but we need to be better at it as a team. Matic is not good receiving the ball under pressure and Pogba loses concentration.

Like i say, it all comes down to our midfield not being able to get into space and provide passing options out of the defence. A lot of that comes because Matic was getting too deep and sitting in a flat line with the defence. Bruno stays high by instruction, and that leaves Pogba on his own. Matic and Pogba should be 10-20 yards in front of the defence and Maguire/Lindelof should play it to them within a couple of touches. If they hold it any longer the opposition closes those passes off and then it becomes much harder to play out.

Southampton were good at pressing, especially in first half. At the same time, Martials goal came just because they pressed and United played their way out from the back, via Pogba, up to attacking players. And we have seen that before. It is a big and often costly risk to press United like that.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Lindelof did well but once you have a weakness there's not much you can do. He can be the best defender in a game but when there's a moment you need him to out muscle or out run or out jump an opponent he will fail. And depending on those opponent, he will face at least one of those moments in a game. He doesn't need replacing because he is a bad defender, he needs replacing because his weaknesses can be easily exploited in every game.

 

[White Fury]

Pretty good whole game except for the last minute goal. I believe if we had a more aggressive and physically stronger defender he would have cleared the ball for their 2nd goal. For example Im sure Bailly would overpower his opponent and clear the ball, too bad hes injury prone and also mad man prone to brain farts. What a shit situation we are in.

 

[golden_blunder]

Pretty good whole game except for the last minute goal. I believe if we had a more aggressive and physically stronger defender he would have cleared the ball for their 2nd goal. For example Im sure Bailly would overpower his opponent and clear the ball, too bad hes injury prone and also mad man prone to brain farts. What a shit situation we are in.

I thought the same. I’ve watched that last goal a few times now and Obafemi kind of just brushes him out of the way

on the plus side I saw lindelof win a header near the half way line yesterday

 

[golden_blunder]

People seem to forget that as a defender, you rely on luck to sometimes go your way, especially on set pieces where balls can bounce around anywhere.

Lindelof had but a split second when that ball was flicked on, and it was more luck, imo, than anything else that gave the goal.

Definite overreaction going on here.

Yes there was an element of luck but watch the last goal again. He definitely loses out physically to obefemi

 

[crossy1686]

Maguire marking nobody and let the ball go past him.

De Gea watches the ball go across the goal 3 ft in front of him and does nothing.

Yes Lindeloff was wrong side of his man but pinning the goal on him is lazy.

Defensively we need to improve as a unit.

This.

Said it the other season but a goal keeper who has command of his area and balls into it would settle our defence to no end.