He's so, so weak. Decent player, not a United defender.
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Nope.
Yeah, he was very good. Maguire too.
Along with Martial, Shaw and Rashford (maybe Matic, at a push?) they were the only players that showed up tonight. Everyone else was pish. As Fergie used to say, you just need 8 players to play well. 6 good performances just doesn’t cut it.
No, the mistake was 4 tall players at the near post losing the header. Lindelöf could have gone goalside of Obafemi and left the far post open, sure, but had the ball gone past the group at the front post and ended up with a Soton player at the far post, you'd all have been lambasting him his decision, goal or no.
Lindelof was marking Obefami, not the back post. Watch the replay.
I agree with your post mate, the 'it' is the good point you made
Yeah wtf was that marking from Maguire? Watching the replay it looked so absurd I started laughing. He pushed away his team mate and there was a big hole behind with Lindelof and two attackers.
Positioning atrocious for the second goal, not the first time. Played okay but okay is not enough, the pairing is too slow.
Pretty much
I definitely think so watching it back again. He stalled to allow Pogba to get back, but by then it was too late.
No? He was defending the far post, while Obafemi was hugging De Gea.
I believe it was Matic who jumped and missed the header but interestingly enough MEN did not attribute it to his mistake at all. I dont think anyone would be expected to win that header, rather they were just going for it trying to tip it. Lindelof should've been more alert, especially that late in the game
Ah that is new excuse for him now. Good, good. I was wondering what will be this time.
So just to be clear:
He doesn't need to clear headers because he is defending his space and he needs another defender to cover him because he is slow and loves to go in attack.
So we bought Pirlo basically.
No one was touching De Gea mate..
"Lindelof should be in front of Obafemi!"
*alternative scenario shows the ball finds its way towards the far post*
"Lindelof should be far post!"
Lets just beat him with a stick anyway
*alternative scenario shows the ball finds its way towards the far post*
"Lindelof should be far post!"
Lets just beat him with a stick anyway
I think it would have been incredibly difficult for him to head the ball away considering it was flicked on and came to him at knee/waist height...
Oh look at people slaughtering him again.
Whatever he does some just made their mind about him.
Whatever he does some just made their mind about him.
He's dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't with a lot of people."Lindelof should be in front of Obafemi!"
*alternative scenario shows the ball finds its way towards the far post*
"Lindelof should be far post!"
Lets just beat him with a stick anyway
No... The things is, you and the other moron mu4c can only see the situation from when the ball was flicked towards our back post. You don't realise that the players were not standing in exactly those positions a few seconds before.
Not literally, obviously, but Obafemi starts out right next to De Gea.
One of his best games for us. He led the defence on and off the ball.
If this was the first time he loses his man or any battle in the air or tussle I guess you could give him that but it's as predictable as anything. He was pretty solid tonight but as always it's him. Matic should have won the header and I miss having a goalkeeper who releases pressure once in a while..
"Lindelof should be in front of Obafemi!"
*alternative scenario shows the ball finds its way towards the far post*
"Lindelof should be far post!"
Lets just beat him with a stick anyway
Who is this imaginary person at the far post that people keep talking about? If the ball goes over Lindelof and Obafemi then it's rolling out wide to nobody.
Not sure how is that an excuse. That's what he's been given a task everytime we are defending corner to go for zonal marking. I'm more shocking how you are still using excuses to hide what Lindelof did wrong on that goal.
This sums him up quite well. "He had a good game, except for..."
Is it so hard for him to take a step forward?
This is exactly why I keep saying that the near post flick is so dangerous at both ends.
There is nothing much he can do once it's flicked. If that flick had gone in the air and into the far corner most people would be saying why wasn't he covering the far post.
We had Matic and Maguire plus DeGea and it should have been stopped from reaching the Soton player.
There is nothing much he can do once it's flicked. If that flick had gone in the air and into the far corner most people would be saying why wasn't he covering the far post.
We had Matic and Maguire plus DeGea and it should have been stopped from reaching the Soton player.
Thought he was very good for the most part. I don't think he's any more error prone than the rest of our defenders or the weak link as most people seem to be suggesting.
Looking at the replay it doesn’t look like Lindelof initially marked obafemi but then he got screened by him. It also looks like there should have been one more United man to defend that space.
fecking wank. Not close to the level required. He might look good when we're tonking people 5-0, but when the chips are down and we need to scrape out a victory, you can count on Victor to shit the bed in some way.
Too weak and always looks out of control. Can never dominate his opponent. Many last ditch tackles and hurried clearances.
To top it off, absolutely horrific on set pieces. What was that type of marking? Just outmuscled by obafemi who probably hasn't scored a goal this season? Needs replacing and I've been saying it since the beginning of last season.
Too weak and always looks out of control. Can never dominate his opponent. Many last ditch tackles and hurried clearances.
To top it off, absolutely horrific on set pieces. What was that type of marking? Just outmuscled by obafemi who probably hasn't scored a goal this season? Needs replacing and I've been saying it since the beginning of last season.
We actually never have people on posts for some reason... Just not something we do it seems. So no one could criticise him for that.
You sound like you play the game so please explain to me what Lindelof was doing here, was it a great piece of defending? This is the moment the corner was delivered.
It is frustrating. People has to stop with the agenda posts. This is very soft defending, and no he is not the only one to blame for the loss, but it's symptomatic for our failure of capitalising on top 4 this season. Every time we come close there is a defending error, it has cost us plenty. Fair enough, Lindelof did very well most parts of the game but a Man Utd defender has to take responsibility for his mistakes.
Matic losing the initial header was far from immaterial and him doing that, Pogba losing the ball in an important area for the first goal, and Lindelof losing his man on the corner is the remains of Mourinho's side. With those players, when they going gets tough, we struggled with it back then, and we still do.
I'd agree with that. He was bordering on world class for 40 minutes of that second half, until his mistake.
Yes. You always have to block a possible shot, pass or flick, something Lindelof never seems to quite understand. I'll put it down to a lapse of concentration due to him performing well overall, except for the last bit.
Just before the clip the goalscorer is closer to DDGYou sound like you play the game so please explain to me what Lindelof was doing here, was it a great piece of defending? This is the moment the corner was delivered.
In the picture you can see Southampton have 2 players far post vs Lindelof. The flick on could go to either one. His positioning is to try and cover both players
Once the flick on happens he realised the goalscorer is the threat as its headed in that direction but by then its too late.
In terms of defensive organsation its poor from us but there isnt alot Lindelof could have done there. If hes goal side of the goalscorer and the flicks goes the other way its a goal fron the other player.
He was not the best player on the field.
I am not. Lindelof should have done better. He has some excuses for it but i will not even go into it.
At the end he should have cleared it. Period.
But he is still way way way way way better defender than Maguire. He spends 90 minutes every game covering Maguire who is doing... i don't know really what he is doing all game. Leadership? Is that defending trait? I can hear commentator:
"Maguire stopped attacker in dangerous position with great leadership"
Decent idea but in reality he covered neither. If the ball came higher he wouldn't have won the header from behind either
You can also see how Maguire left that zone. I think if he had stayed, there wouldn’t have been a goal.
Huh? He had some good passes, but other times he gave away the ball easily. If you look at how we played today, we weren’t able to play out from the back and a lot of it comes down to Lindelöf not being comfortable taking a few touches. He doesn’t have the composure which I find strange since he was branded ‘the iceman’ when he came to us. He gives the ball to AWB when AWB is under pressure far too often. Either that or he hoofs it up. Maguire is actually able to take a touch, get an overview and find unmarked players, or even dribble with the ball forward to create space.
He did have at least one crucial interception which comes to mind. Overall I think he defended well for most of the game, but then again at the last goal he was way too static against Obafemi who bullied him. He was probably a bit isolated because we were down to 10 men, but if we’re blaming anyone for the goal it has to be him.
Overall quite disappointing really and far from one of his best games for us. When reminiscing about his best games for us his game agaist Juve comes to mind. This was no where near that performance. He certainly didn’t lead the defence.
We need a better center back.
Bertrand and Smallbone are both in postion to catch a flick on at the far post.
And literally a second earlier, Obafemi was standing next to De Gea, with Lindelöf defending a zone. As Obafemi moves towards him, he can either try to get goalside of him, leaving the far post free, or he can gamble on the ball coming in high and still have the far post covered and be in position to deal with it. He can't do both. Had he gotten goalside of Obafemi, with the ball going towards the far post and Bertrand or Smallbone getting to it, you'd all be having a go at him for his decision.You sound like you play the game so please explain to me what Lindelof was doing here, was it a great piece of defending? This is the moment the corner was delivered.
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