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You sound like you play the game so please explain to me what Lindelof was doing here, was it a great piece of defending? This is the moment the corner was delivered.
Zonal on the back post. Look at any corner since the break and he will be in that position. Then Obafemi went up and screened him.
If he goes in front of Obafemi he is leaving two people unmarked on the back post? (The one running behind Fred and the one standing there in the picture) All this happens in a few seconds as well.
Mate, stop making excuses. Thats BEFORE the corner was taken. of course he has to adjust to the danger.
also, who on earth is maguire marking there!You sound like you play the game so please explain to me what Lindelof was doing here, was it a great piece of defending? This is the moment the corner was delivered.
Mate, at least he would have tried. The way things panned out, I dont think he gave himself any chance. His reaction says it all, he knows he fecked up. Even if it wasn't completely his fault. I dont have anything against him, I just think that looked like something Smalling would do, and the reaction here would be a whole lot different.
It's hard to say because of the "moments", but I agree he generally did well today.
One of those occasion when he gave the ball to AWB under pressure it ended up with Martial scoring.
Bertrand and Smallbone are further away from the goal and so aren't the biggest threat. You always take the most immediate threat... You never half way house it because then you're never in the proper position to defend anything. He should start a little deeper and when Obafemi comes onto him he needs to be stronger to win position against him.
The way we're set up its actually Maguire that should be running onto head out the ball if it goes into the back zone (as Matic has the front zone) but his positioning was also rubbish
This is where I disagree with some. We are a man down and a goal up and in the last minute. DeGea as the keeper has the final say on organising his defense. Why on Earth didn't he pull back more players to cover?
There is nothing much Lindelof could do here. If that flick had gone in the far post it would have been his fault.
Losing the header at the near post decided it. It's not for the first time our tall players have been losing headers we shouldn't and both of our players going for the same ball.
There is nothing much Lindelof could do here. If that flick had gone in the far post it would have been his fault.
Losing the header at the near post decided it. It's not for the first time our tall players have been losing headers we shouldn't and both of our players going for the same ball.
This is a corner and there is no time for all this threat assessment. If that flick had gone in the air and into the goal he would have been blamed too.
Yeah obviously you’ll find instances where it’s the best decision for him to pass to AWB, but it doesn’t mean anything. A lot of times it‘s the reason why we lose the ball which is an issue when facing teams pressing high. It’s like me making a point of Bebe crossing way too often and then you find a situation where he gets an assist from a cross. Doesn’t mean he‘s doing the right thing.
It's not an excuse, it's reality. He could have gotten goalside, things happened exactly as they did, and he'd have been a hero. Or he could have gotten goalside, the ball goes towards the far post and Smallbone or Bertrand gets to it and it goes in, and you'd have been here making exactly the same kind of posts.
The point is that he made a choice. In hindsight you can call it the wrong choice, but at the time it was a perfectly sensible decision.
Around the 43rd minute he’s dicking around with the ball and eventually loses it because he’s afraid to pass it forward. I hate his cowardness more than anything.
He could’ve bullied Obafemi a bit and put his foot out to reach the ball before him. Also in that situation if you’re close to the player you’re marking you want to get in front of him because he can’t do anything if you’re right in front of him. He can pull away from you, but it’s your job to make sure you’re close and try to be in front.
He is just fine when the game is played on the ground, but he is very shaky in the air. His physical side of the game is a shortcoming, which continues to be a problem with him.
Yeah, I'd be happy if we got a better centre back to replace him to be honest.
Oh well.
Thought him and Maguire were generally fine, but struggled with the press at times.
Midway through the 2nd half just before Southampton player dives under minimal contact from Maguire . Check out his defending there and let me know if it’s excellent.
He reminds me of Soyuncu. Good when we're dominating on the front foot, but pressure us and you'll see the cracks every now and then. Good enough for top 6 or 8, can see him getting in Arsenal and maybe Spurs.
We were under pressure all game and he was MOTM
Why would he? We don't usually put men on posts... Haven't all season
Was left vulnerable for the goal; thought he played well.
Beginning to look a better player than his defensive partner by some margin.
Beginning to look a better player than his defensive partner by some margin.
I also think its very harsh to blame Lindelof. It seems like we were poorly organised, and I'm sure also bit mentally tired.
And truly, Rashford should have finished off the game with that open goal.
Maybe he was, but sadly you dont get 3 pts for a MOTM
I already gave credit where it was due. You are blaming Maguire for did nothing wrong in that 90 minutes. Lindelof made 2 good clearance but both Lindelof & Maguire were solid in 90 minutes, both covered each other, both covered their side full back & both also covered the midfield.
You are being one sided just to hide Lindelof's mistake on that goal. Ridiculous!!
However, this is where you have to understand that if we want to challenge the league, what Lindelof did for that goal isn't good enough to be our regular centre back. You can be solid for 90 minutes but being mentally weak is not a thing to bottled that last minute goal. Player must stay goal side that's basic. PL centre back shouldn't be outmuscled that easily and that's the multiple times we saw that on Lindelof.
Cant be an open goal if the shot is blocked
Yes we could have had 3 points. If not for his excellent defending today we would have 0
You think Rashford is exonerated?
Because I pointed out it clearly wasnt an open goal?
Just before they kick off the corner, Lindelof is focused on threats in air and players coming from the outside. It looks like he has most focus on Smallbone (?) who then backs off and Obafemi comes screening Lindelof.
I would say both Lindelof and Matic could have done better for sure, but the goal is more an organisational problem than an individual mistake. Lindelof is too much left alone. One more player there and the ball can not reach obafemi.
I would say both Lindelof and Matic could have done better for sure, but the goal is more an organisational problem than an individual mistake. Lindelof is too much left alone. One more player there and the ball can not reach obafemi.
Again was better than his partner today. He just has zero strength.
And Maguire. That back zone is meant to be his...Lindelöf shouldn't had to be concerned with those aerial threats.
Ultimately both of them weren't sufficiently switched on... Blame it on tiredness maybe
I don’t think they switched off, just poor organisation at a corner - again. At the same time it was very well done by Southampton. The corner kick, the flick, the movement by Smallbone and the screen, great executed.
Maguire was marking Stephens. I actually thought his positioning was alright because if the ball hadn't been flicked on, it would've been heading towards him, so he got in front of Stephens and pushed AWB there to block the ball together.
Agree with you but we are a man down and last minute of the game. Who is in charge of the defense in a set piece? The keeper.
I don't blame Lindelof for the goal. Anyone extra as you say and it won't be conceded but once Lindelof is left alone on that far post he was finished. I really don't understand why we don't keep players on the post especially when DeGea is so weak in the air.
Im not convinced DDG is the organiser of the defense on a set piece. Im not sure who is but its not DDG for sure
As a keeper he should be. You can't hold your keeper responsible if he is not allowed to organise his defense.
I never said hes not allowed.
I thought him and DDG looked nervous and that transmitted to the rest of the team.
His passing out from the back was seriously poor.
His passing out from the back was seriously poor.
I didn't say you did. What I meant was he has to be responsible for organising his defense.
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