I said when he signed I suspect he will end up there; he certainly isn't a defender.
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I said when he signed I suspect he will end up there; he certainly isn't a defender.
He also wanted Stones 2 summers back; Bailly is hardly flawless himself, as much as I like like him.
To be fair I actually think had Stones been coached by a Mourinho, a Conte or a Pocchettino rather than 'I'm not a coach for the tackles' Pep and Pep-lite Bobby Martinez, he'd be further along in his development now........
But anyway, a lot of Jose's reputation is retrospective rather than based on anything he's done recently.
I agree, the tackle was just very poor. If anything he will probably think twice about committing next time. Other than that he didnt look out of his depth, albeit against a young RM team. Don't see why people are willing to write him off before the season has even begun.
The penalty I couldn't care less about but perhaps is a sign that he isn't confident and is understandably nervous. Hopefully that changes when he gets a few good performances under his belt.
Cant all glide in sweetly like Bailey. As mentioned here Evra and Vidic also took time to get it right, and they didnt have the luxury of a pre-season to boot! Has looked cagey, but it is a step up in terms of exposure. Give him time, has the attributes.
Jose improved Rojo loads just last season compared to what he was like under LVG. Then there's also Bailly, although not flawless as you say but still an immense signing.
Imagine if he reads the Caf and sees the shite we're talking about him.
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The tackle was shocking no way anyone can argue otherwise. Maybe some thought he'd go straight in and play on a similar level to Bailly?
The tackle was shocking no way anyone can argue otherwise. Maybe some thought he'd go straight in and play on a similar level to Bailly?
That seemed to be the narrative, he was going to start alongside Bailly, and Smalling, Jones, Blind etc are shit. Im not writing him off at all, but for me he needs to prove first that he's better than they are, which I doubt.
We have to wait and see. Have a feeling I'll hate this thread for a few months yet.
I don't see him starting in the team.
Or maybe the rumours of us offloading Jones and/or Smalling were just made up by the press who had fallen into the same trap of assuming Lindelof would stroll in as first choice without seeing him play like many on here.
Yup and also because he was signed by Mourinho. Everyone thought he shits gold when it comes to signing defenders and for the price tag, it seemed like we are signing a first teamer.
Right now it is clear that what we have signed here is more a prospect than a guarantee for success. In an ideal world, we still need to sign another CB because we have made no progress in our CB department from last season but what can we do... we're having an absolute mare in the transfer market.
He's certainly not a defender? But he is a holding midfielder? A position he's never played before. Makes sense.
Sorry but there's nothing there.
We finally got a successor for Mcnair
That tackle was so bad
Let's just hope it's nerves and he's getting all these error's out in Pre-Season....
Let's just hope it's nerves and he's getting all these error's out in Pre-Season....
Caught me
Correct me if I'm wrong... But has he even started were he should start? Were he played in Benfica? Were he was great last year? As the left central defender that is...
That was literally one of the stupidest tackles inside the box I have seen over the last year or two. I really hope that's just him being precautious since it's just a preaseason.
Is he back to the team hotel or still sliding in on that tackle?
precocious > precautious IMO
Well, apart from the obvious fact that he is.
3 pre season games doesn't take away his previous work...
The opposite actually, most Benfica fans said that last year he was bad in the first-half of the season because he played in the left side of CB
Yeah, hopefully nobody post any video footage and tries to make a big deal about this. Fingers crossed.
Will reserve final judgement for now, but he's shown nothing to justify his signing, or any selection over any of our other centre halves.
I don't agree that people should be having a pop at others saying he looks an awful signing. Things like 'the manager obviously thought he was good' and the rest of it don't matter to me. Every professional footballer was deemed good enough by a manager or two. People should judge on what they see. If it changes, we will all be delighted, but there is no guarantee he'll just become amazing because, time.
Personally, I think Victor will have to do a lot to prove better than Blind, who is a centre half in the same mould. Blind has been consistent at centre half, and Lindelof will have done well if he reaches his level.
I don't agree that people should be having a pop at others saying he looks an awful signing. Things like 'the manager obviously thought he was good' and the rest of it don't matter to me. Every professional footballer was deemed good enough by a manager or two. People should judge on what they see. If it changes, we will all be delighted, but there is no guarantee he'll just become amazing because, time.
Personally, I think Victor will have to do a lot to prove better than Blind, who is a centre half in the same mould. Blind has been consistent at centre half, and Lindelof will have done well if he reaches his level.
What a tackle for their pen 
What a pen he took
Im glad its only preseason
What a pen he took
Im glad its only preseason
You're certain? Quick call Jose!
For what it's worth, I think he'll come good and do at least 'OK'. This is why we still have Smalling and Jones. Sure, people say they're not the best, but Rojo is injured for ages and Lindelof needs to settle. Smalling and Bailly will start the Super Cup and opener against West Ham.
Considering he was dogshite I don't blame them. He started to play well but think his performances since have somehow taken on a new level of actual praise. Rojo still has a lot to prove for instance Smalling under LVG had a much better period of form than Rojo has had yet most are ready to sell him also.
Bailly is the best CB of his age group (imo). Jose found us a gem there.
I agree with you on Stones. Never was going to be Nesta, but he needed a better defensive coach to make use of what talent he had. People thought he was a ball playing CB and so Pep was the magic fit, but that doesn't mean anything if Pep can't help him with the basics of defending.
Jose's signings recently have all been very good, and he won the league two seasons back. Anyway, everyone's reputation is based on what they've done in the past (it's sort of the literal definition of reputation).
That's not fair Mr. Mahone (sir). There is a big difference between writing him off and just pointing out that he seems very nervous. I haven't had time to watch many of the recent games so have not made any comments at all about him being subpar. I am personally fascinated by character, body language, ID, confidence and all of that and just found his body language particularly informative. If you look at Pogba in the same video the contrast is marked and that in itself raises interesting questions about where that comes from? Well to me anyway.
As we are on the topic of personality, SAF is a particularly fascinating in this respect. He is an old man now but he is a warrior. Despite his fading vitality in another age that man could have (even in advanced years) commanded armies. These questions of life are fascinating.
I could have just said what I saw but why not post a video? The video allows others to interpret the evidence for themselves and perhaps even confirm that others too see what I saw.
You also might want to explain how posting a video is making a "big deal". It's not. My point was a little more subtle than 'Oh look he is crap' and you would do well to recognise that.
ok
I'm fascinated by body language, character, confidence etc too. I want to have a look. Which parts of the game are you talking about? He came on at half time didn't he? I wasn't paying much attention to this game.
Don't take my post so seriously, mate. It was a throwaway comment about you simultaneously saying you hope nobody makes a big deal about his apparent nervousness while posting a video on a message board with the aim of bringing this perceived nervousness to a wider audience.
FWIW i think he is nervous. Understandably. This move is the apex of an incredibly rapid ascent in his career. You don't need to be an expert in body language to see that he's playing like he's nervous too.
Not exactly "Iceman" is he?
Oh well. As long as all the mistakes are committed in pre season
An amateur tackle that directly cost us a goal, few times hesitating to close down Madrid players and allowing them space to roam and shoot, the penalty kick was just the cherry on top. That's my standard for "horrible", not sure about yours. I have nothing against him btw and earnestly look forward to his development at our club, his passing looks silky. It's just that I'm a bit irked that we brought in another "promising" CB that does nothing to elevate us.
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