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I can't believe I'm stooping to the level of a white text joke
I know this is a bit of an unusual suggestion but I wonder if anyone from our legal team might look into whether it is possible to sack him. Could we try to argue that he is guilty of incompetence as he has shown he is clearly not capable of playing football at this level? We could use the penalty as part of a dossier from the last few games. It might be wise to leave him out of the rest of our friendlies so he doesn't get a chance too build up contradictory evidence.

I know we probably wouldn't get any if the transfer fee back but at this stage I am just worried that we will end up paying his wages for years to come.
 
witchtrials said:
I can't believe I'm stooping to the level of a white text joke
I know this is a bit of an unusual suggestion but I wonder if anyone from our legal team might look into whether it is possible to sack him. Could we try to argue that he is guilty of incompetence as he has shown he is clearly not capable of playing football at this level? We could use the penalty as part of a dossier from the last few games. It might be wise to leave him out of the rest of our friendlies so he doesn't get a chance too build up contradictory evidence.

I know we probably wouldn't get any if the transfer fee back but at this stage I am just worried that we will end up paying his wages for years to come.
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What are people trying to say when they claim his passing is good?

Are they crazy? He takes an eternity on the ball and still plays safe, short, sideways passes. He lingers on the ball and lacks sharpness and aggression. This won't swing in the Prem, he's gonna get dispossessed everytime.
Surprisingly light as well physically, like someone who's gone through a long fit of gastrom
 
I love how knee jerk the caf is - just signed him, had a glimpse of him in a couple of meaningless friendlies - get rid...

Vidic was piss poor when he arrived, Evra was awful, at least he should get a season to bed in? I see decent potential, he just looked off the pace which is probably more down to fitness than his actual ability.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I love how knee jerk the caf is - just signed him, had a glimpse of him in a couple of meaningless friendlies - get rid...

Vidic was piss poor when he arrived, Evra was awful, at least he should get a season to bed in? I see decent potential, he just looked off the pace which is probably more down to fitness than his actual ability.
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True. Too early to write him off. We don't get in people and dismiss them in pre-season
 
Just saw the match highlights. Too early to judge him right now, but that was a very poor tackle. I think the penalty would have helped calm him down a bit, but that was a poor penalty. Showed that he doesn't really have a lot of confidence right now.

I would certainly keep all our CBs now, I don't think he'll be a starter for us immediately. We have a lot of options there, so that should allow him to settle gradually. Wasnt he called the Iceman or something ? Time for him to calm down and play more freely.
 
Skills said:
Tbf they were thrown into the deep end of the PL half way through a season. He's struggling in pre-season, this is about the easiest level/intensity of competition he'll play all year so it's a bit concerning.
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Plus, I'm sure they debuted against City too
 
Not really sure what the Vidic comparisons have to do with him making a tackle 2 weeks late in the penalty box.
 
Have to be patient with defenders, especially this young. But we have to be honest and say he has looked very underwhelming thus far. Probably our worst performer on the tour.

Thought he would start the season in our first XI. Very much doubt that now. Might be 4th in line. But that can change very quickly, as we saw with Rojo.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I love how knee jerk the caf is - just signed him, had a glimpse of him in a couple of meaningless friendlies - get rid...

Vidic was piss poor when he arrived, Evra was awful, at least he should get a season to bed in? I see decent potential, he just looked off the pace which is probably more down to fitness than his actual ability.
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That's definitely true, but I'm just wondering what his supposed qualities are? This isn't a rhetorical question, but an honest one, I've never seen him before so I just want to know.
 
Akshay said:
No one's defending the tackle, it's a matter of having some perspective when there are fans prepared to write off his career with us based on a few preseason matches.
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I don't think anyone's writing off his career, but we're in this thread to discuss players' performances - and yesterday he had a pretty bad performance.
Sure there are knee jerk reactions because that's just what happens on the internet, but I don't understand why we can't criticise a player just because he's new.

Our standards are meant to be pretty high especially if we're looking to challenge for the title and do well in Europe, nobody will get a grace period.
Mhiki didn't, DDG didn't, Pogba didn't, Falcao, Memphis etc.

If he's good enough he'll rise above it and impress
 
Rooney in Paris said:
That's definitely true, but I'm just wondering what his supposed qualities are? This isn't a rhetorical question, but an honest one, I've never seen him before so I just want to know.
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Have a read through the dozens of articles about him written by people more familiar with his career to date. Consensus seems to be that his best quality is his distribution. Which we're not seeing yet as he's obviously not yet settled in, so is playing it very safe. I think/hope Mou sees him developing into a Hummels type of player.
 
vi1lain said:
I don't think anyone's writing off his career, but we're in this thread to discuss players' performances - and yesterday he had a pretty bad performance.
Sure there are knee jerk reactions because that's just what happens on the internet, but I don't understand why we can't criticise a player just because he's new.

Our standards are meant to be pretty high especially if we're looking to challenge for the title and do well in Europe, nobody will get a grace period.
Mhiki didn't, DDG didn't, Pogba didn't, Falcao, Memphis etc.

If he's good enough he'll rise above it and impress
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Well that's just silly. Everyone deserves a grace period. It's also ironic that you mention Pogba and De Gea, both of whom had major doubts hanging over them at times in their debut seasons. And Lindelof hasn't even started his yet!
 
vi1lain said:
I don't think anyone's writing off his career, but we're in this thread to discuss players' performances - and yesterday he had a pretty bad performance.
Sure there are knee jerk reactions because that's just what happens on the internet, but I don't understand why we can't criticise a player just because he's new.

Our standards are meant to be pretty high especially if we're looking to challenge for the title and do well in Europe, nobody will get a grace period.
Mhiki didn't, DDG didn't, Pogba didn't, Falcao, Memphis etc.

If he's good enough he'll rise above it and impress
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Yeah I don't have any problem with criticism, that's what the thread is for, but the knee jerk reactions were going too far and the Vidic comparison was just a reminder to those posters.

With the players you mentioned, I don't remember them getting vitriol like this until the season proper started. If he has a few bad competitive games I'd get the reaction but this is pre-season. I don't even remember how each player performed in pre-season last year.
 
I still remember Pallisters own goal in his first game if I remember rightly. Can still see him sprawled on the floor like a new born foal. I remember thinking, wow..what have we bought....the gangly goon....

What the bloody hell did I know.......
 
What a tackle :lol:

I haven't seen any pre-season matches yet, so I can't comment on his general play so far - however, it is far too soon to pass any sort of judgement. Hell, Christmas would be too soon.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Well that's just silly. Everyone deserves a grace period. It's also ironic that you mention Pogba and De Gea, both of whom had major doubts hanging over them at times in their debut seasons. And Lindelof hasn't even started his yet!
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But if we can't criticise pre-season performances, then we might as well close all these threads until the first game of the season?

Akshay said:
Yeah I don't have any problem with criticism, that's what the thread is for, but the knee jerk reactions were going too far and the Vidic comparison was just a reminder to those posters.

With the players you mentioned, I don't remember them getting vitriol like this until the season proper started. If he has a few bad competitive games I'd get the reaction but this is pre-season. I don't even remember how each player performed in pre-season last year.
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Knee jerk reactions at any time of the year are OTT imo (unless its a cup final or something), but I don't see anything wrong with calling a spade a spade and calling his performance yesterday bad.
 
I'm just going to pretend Bailly's price was 60m instead of the 30m he was aquired for if Lindelof doesn't work out. Plenty of time left for the Swede though
 
Not being on the same wavelength as other teammates, communication problems, looking a bit fat/gassed/not running etc, not being arsed in general etc can be waived away by saying "its' preseason".

Bad tackles, positioning etc are not mere preseason jitters. They are mistakes, period. They are a cause for concern. If this had been a City or Liverpool player, I'm sure many would be laughing at him.

I am not alarmed yet, but we need to consider the fact that this is our fourth year of transition and it is crucial to get everything right. So far, not much has gone according to plan. So pointing out his mistakes during preseason games is perfectly justified.
 
if there's a manager to get the best out of a defender it's Jose Mourinho*



*disclaimer - this statement does not apply to defenders called Chris Smalling or Like Shaw
 
Rooney in Paris said:
That's definitely true, but I'm just wondering what his supposed qualities are? This isn't a rhetorical question, but an honest one, I've never seen him before so I just want to know.
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I also didn't track him before the move/watch him on youtube and pretended I've known about him for years so I'm going off the few Pre-Season games.

Despite that awfully timed tackle and generally sketchy play I think it's fair to say he's calm on the ball, can use both feet and covers his CB partners well - he mopped up a Real break v well down the right for example. We haven't really seen him play a single competitive game so I'm not going to say he's great or he's shite but I think he has all the qualities to do well. Once he is fully fit, knows our system and alongside Bailly I can see him doing very well.
 
vi1lain said:
But if we can't criticise pre-season performances, then we might as well close all these threads until the first game of the season?
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Where did I say or imply we can't criticise pre-season performances?

My only comments to you on this page are explaining why there are some similarities with Vidic and that every new signing deserves to be allowed some ropey performances while they're settling in.
 
If he was a Man City or Liverpool signing we would be laughing our heads off. It's early days and we all Hope he will come good. But it's hard to fault those who have seen him so far and are not impressed with what they have seen so far.
 
Seems like he the United-transfer made him a bit nervous on the pitch. I have never seen him do that kind of a reckless challenge. I mean, this is the guy who barely gets a yellow card in a whole season. Regarding his penalty. Even that totally out of character for being Victor. Just take a look at his penalty in the u-21 final. A bigger match, more pressure, but a hell of a better penalty. I think the whole move to united has made him afraid of failing in the new club, which makes him nervous, and a whole lot worse player. Hopefully he will get in to the role further on. Maybe not be your staring player this season, at least in the beginning, to get more use to the new club. I just hope the fans wont be to harsh on him, which just makes the adjustment to United a lot harder.

Oh, yeah, the penalty:

 
Conflating Evra's and Vidic's first half seasons is a bit wrong. Only Evra was consistently bad until summer. His match against City can possibly be compared to Lindelof yesterday. Vidic on the other hand showed great signs just 4-5 games into his Utd career if I recall correctly.
 
Its still too early to judge as defenders often need some time to settle in and adapt to a new system and partner.

Remember watching Rio struggle in his first few games for Leeds but that didnt stop him from proving his worth later on
 
ChaddyP said:
If he was a Man City or Liverpool signing we would be laughing our heads off. It's early days and we all Hope he will come good. But it's hard to fault those who have seen him so far and are not impressed with what they have seen so far.
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I doubt it, I haven't watched any of their pre-season games except City's game against us. And I think Ederson will be quite good for them despite his little blooper. I can't remember judging any player's quality based on pre-season fixtures, it's ridiculous.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Where did I say or imply we can't criticise pre-season performances?

My only comments to you on this page are explaining why there are some similarities with Vidic and that every new signing deserves to be allowed some ropey performances while they're settling in.
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Fair play, I don't personally see the point of comparing his shakiness with Vidic's shakiness for a number of reasons.
Each player is different, and just because Vidic took some time to adapt doesn't mean Victor will do the same, he could come good as quickly as next game, equally he might need until 2018, with that in mind I prefer to judge players on an individual basis, rather than making comparisons just for the sake of it.

But that's just me.
 
Harry190 said:
What are people trying to say when they claim his passing is good?

Are they crazy? He takes an eternity on the ball and still plays safe, short, sideways passes. He lingers on the ball and lacks sharpness and aggression. This won't swing in the Prem, he's gonna get dispossessed everytime.
Surprisingly light as well physically, like someone who's gone through a long fit of gastrom
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Not passing long because you don't dare, is not the same as having bad passing game. People who claim his passing is good watched him at Benfica, and looked at his passing stats, which was like second best in Europe after Bonucci.

So yeah, his passing game his great. He has just not used it, probably because of the pressure. So the problem is not his ability, but rather in his head.
 
Thisistheone said:
That tackle was so bad :nervous:

Let's just hope it's nerves and he's getting all these error's out in Pre-Season....
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I just cant understand how people actually think its anything else but his nerves. I mean, he is not a academy-player that has never played seniorfootball. We have seen his qualities in Benfica, both in the league and in CL. A player doesnt loose his qualities over a summer, what can happen though, is that his nerves are bad and that a big move, to United for example, makes him nervous.

But all the fans who claim he is a bad player that will never fit in to United. You guys know Lindelof has played football on a high level before and obviously preformed. Its not like Mourinho would have bought him if he had not shown qualities. Obviously, you all should be concerned with his nerves and if his mentally ready for United. But regardless, questioning his playing abilities is just insanely stupid.
 
Akshay said:
I doubt it, I haven't watched any of their pre-season games except City's game against us. And I think Ederson will be quite good for them despite his little blooper. I can't remember judging any player's quality based on pre-season fixtures, it's ridiculous.
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we do it all the time. Last year it was Mkhitaryan when he played for us and did well in pre season. Then we all wondered why on earth he wasn't starting in the actual season.

If posters are allowed to judge a player positively during a pre season they should be allowed to do the opposite. Can't have it just one way. I'm confident Victor will be a success here and those who make it seem like he was a mistake of a signing need to get their heads checked. But I can't fault a poster to be concerned with what they have seen from so far.

The Perreira thread is buzzing with posters that think he should be a starter based on 45 mins pre season friendly. If that's cool then Lindelof concerns are fair game I think
 
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