I think he's talking about Woodgate's first match for Real when he scored an own goal and got sent off...
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Give the kid time ffs. He's not been brilliant and looks a bit overawed but once he settles in he will come good.
All valid points but equally valid is that he has not looked the part thus far either
FFS! When a experienced poster like you write this shit then I understand why this thread is total disaster.
Its pre season and it's far better that our players do mistakes now then later. One bad tackle and one missed penalty isn't an indication that you're shit. It's called to be nervous. The young man is in a new environment with new team mates playing against Real Madrid so it's totally understandable why he's low in confidence.
Give him time to adapt. I have seen enough of Victor over the years to know he will come good. A couple of more games and he will step up and show his qualities.
Why would you bold something specifically about preseason, then complain that its only preseason. You bolded it but didnt read it?
I said I hope he does better. You're the one jumping off the deep end.
I'm not too worried. He's young and he's probably just nervy. Would be completely relaxed if Rojo was fit however
He's looked nervy and been poor but it's preseason with him playing for a new team with new teammates.
Master of the obvious but what's more to be said? There's nothing wrong with saying the performances have been bad but anyone writing him off completely...Jesus, it's so pathetic.
Master of the obvious but what's more to be said? There's nothing wrong with saying the performances have been bad but anyone writing him off completely...Jesus, it's so pathetic.
Tbf they were thrown into the deep end of the PL half way through a season. He's struggling in pre-season, this is about the easiest level/intensity of competition he'll play all year so it's a bit concerning.
True but I have faith he will come good.
And even if he does not become a starter, it would not be a problem. He can develop into a decent back up. Once Rojo is back and finds some form, he was always going to play next to Bailly imo
If he's as late in bed as he was in that tackle, his girl must be over the moon.
Did you even read his post? Or did you just stop reading after one sentence? Not the first time you've done this too.
He already stated he hopes he improves after some time in the part of the quote you left unbolded.
People cant seem to get around this.
Wow, such overreaction and such hatred and nastiness too. Truly bizarre and quite pathetic really. The lad is a youngster and comes from an inferior league and is nervous as hell, you can see it. Not only that, he was playing for one of the top sides so had it relatively easy a lot of the time. Jose knows how to pick players, especially defenders so I have no doubt he will come good. Bailly last year had a shaky start and some tough first games before he finished the season as our best defender and easily contender for one of the finest debut seasons for a defender in years. As mentioned above Evra was awful when he first came to United he had some shocking games. Victor will come good and is definitely a great addition to the squad. He will come along much quicker if the fans give him time and are patient with him and supportive too.
To think, Milan have signed Bonucci for the same money 
Unique circumstances as I'm sure you're aware.To think, Milan have signed Bonucci for the same money
It obviously stems from the general frustration about our transfer window. Him being one of the two signings we have made and being quite poor will obviously rankle when it's so obvious the team needed to be improved.
That said, I have no idea why he was one of the two players we've signed so far. CB was hardly a problem area beyond the usual injury circus and we can afford him time to be 5th choice and develop in ways we can't elsewhere on the pitch so, even if he has been as bad as some are saying, it's hard to see why it matters.
Was a very stupid tackle, but you could see how visibly upset he was after. He knew he messed up badly.
The guy is better than that though, that much is obvious. He's obviously suffering badly with nerves and being the new guy, it's a big step forward.
We need to bed him in slowly, I expect Jones/Bailly to start the season at present.
The guy is better than that though, that much is obvious. He's obviously suffering badly with nerves and being the new guy, it's a big step forward.
We need to bed him in slowly, I expect Jones/Bailly to start the season at present.
We've not seen enough to make judgements on the player. However, to state the obvious that tackle for the penalty was just amateurish.
Find it very concerning that he looks completely out of his depth.
Whilst true it is pre season and it's far to early to write him off if I was to call what I see he just doesn't look very good.
Whilst true it is pre season and it's far to early to write him off if I was to call what I see he just doesn't look very good.
I always recall Anelka leaving a debutant Jaap Stam for dead to score (Charity Shield) and all my Scouse and Gooner mates gobbing off about how he was a waste of money...
I get that mate, I just don't understand the hatred or the need for nastiness. He's a kid, it's not his fault he cost so much, and it's a dream move for him. I also can't understand how he can be labelled a flop after what is it? Like 3 half games or whatever it is, all in pre-season friendlies. It's fair to criticise his mistakes but some of the comments are just crazy.
Damn, that's a brilliant example. Well remembered. If young Victor turns out to be half the player Jaap was then it's money well spent and we could have a CB for the next decade. Let's hope that's the case.
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What worries me about VNL, is not that rash tackle he made yesterday or the horrible penalty. After all, I remember Gary Pallisters debut for United - it wasn't great. My concern with VNL is that he is a good all-round defender, but he is not exceptionally good at anything.
He is not really tall, he is not great in duels, he is not exceptionally quick. And I stand by what I said long before we signed him - he is not better than Jones or Smalling. And he certainly isn't the best defender we can find. That doesn't mean he is bad - he is a good defender by all means. I am just not convinced he is good enough to be a regular for us
He is not really tall, he is not great in duels, he is not exceptionally quick. And I stand by what I said long before we signed him - he is not better than Jones or Smalling. And he certainly isn't the best defender we can find. That doesn't mean he is bad - he is a good defender by all means. I am just not convinced he is good enough to be a regular for us
Would anyone care to give me an example of one player (preferably ours) who played horribly in pre-season and then excelled in real competitive games? (Really looking for any reasons to be hopeful here). I get that good performances in non-competitive games guarantee nothing, but from that logic bad performances mean we should be even more pessimistic/skeptical surely? Crazy to think we might let go 2 CBs reaching their peaks for this guy.
Anyway I do think Lindelof is an exciting prospect and he will have his chances in the first team for sure, but probably not along side Bailly.
Anyway I do think Lindelof is an exciting prospect and he will have his chances in the first team for sure, but probably not along side Bailly.
Who are those guys?
The main reason we signed him (from what I've read about him) was because of his quality on the ball. We've obviously seen very little of that in pre-season because he's still settling in and not playing with any confidence. When a central defender is lacking in confidence they're going to keep things very simple when in possession. So I wouldn't worry too much about his best attributes not being evident just yet.
Nah, that's crap. He'll play against considerably worse players in most games this season.
Wonder if anyone views him as instantly better than Mike still? Being a United defender isn't easy. Shame some don't appreciate it.
Lindelof's performance wasn't horrible, he badly mistimed a tackle and took a poor penalty kick. Have a seat, make yourself a milky drink and calm down a touch.
Exactly, mate. Good point. There are players like Vidic & Evra who struggled initially here and went on to become some of the best to ever play in a United defence. We know settling in can take time and need to lay off the criticism.
Sure, his tackle was bad & the penalty Berbatov-esque. He had a bad day on the pitch..but saying he has no potential or capability based on this one game is nuts. It's a pre-season game ffs, it's about getting to know your new team mates and some match fitness.A bad performance is not the end of the world. Frankly, i don't care all that much & i think we'd rather have goof ups now that can be looked into & corrected instead of at an away game at the Etihad.
I know he isn't going to take one anytime soon, never mind the tackle but what was his penalty all about?
Not sure if you are asking for new signings but watching Bayern's games in preseason you would think their defenders were Sunday league players and not Alaba Hummels and the likes
Suspect Lindelof's pre-season will have lowered the chances of us offloading both Jones and Smalling, doesn't look like his going to stroll in and boss the league like Bailly did.
I see a few are halfway to concluding he's not good enough already.
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Mwah he has to prove he's good enough first. I dont know where people rate him but ge hasnt proven jack shit tbh and wasnt even exactly a standout player in Portugal. He has to show here how good he is, and whether he'll be a long term starter. And he deserves at least 1.5 season for that (in normal conditions) indeed. The idea that he'd come here and boss it, and claim a position straighr away is severely flawed, because he probably isnt that good straight away.
To be honest I have seen more posts concluding that half the caf have concluded that he isn't good enough than people actually saying he isn't good enough.
I think a few fans were just in disbelief at the tackle he made, which certainly was one of the worst tackles to give away a penalty I have ever seen and naturally people expressed disappointment at his pre-season but I don't think many have expressed the sentiment that he should be written off.. as that would be foolhardy.
He's a young lad, it is a major step up, he's moved countries again.. he needs a year or two to settle in.
What concerns me however is the price we paid for a guy who isn't ready to come in straight away and be a hit, in addition to the fact he is one of only two signings made so far. The team needed a major injection of quality to push us into top 4 and yet people think we are title contenders after only making two signings.
give the lad time. this time last year most wanted to get rid of Rojo.
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