This thread is 1 person saying he's rubbish, followed by 10 people expressing their outrage over it and analyzing the "state of the caf". Chill.
He's been shite though, really.
He's been shite though, really.
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As far as I'm concerned, concern is always acceptable as long as it is kept to a spectrum of logic and common sense. Being concerned by his preseason performances is legit IMHO as long as the preseason is only considered and not so futur projection of his performances. He has been bad, let's hope he gets better.
It's funny, actually. People seem to be far more forgiving of Ederson's brainfart in his thread than they are of Lindelof's in this thread.
Can only assume this is because of two classic caf tropes. People with "favourites" who are quick to slag off competitors for their man's place in the squad and transfer muppets who are never happy with whatever we do in the transfer market. We don't sign enough players, or we don't sign the right ones. Either way, any signing that isn't a galactico will get it in the neck at the first hint of a poor performance.
I don't want to overreact, this being pre-season and all, but he's arguably the worst player ever.
Precisely this.
Pre-season performances don't matter, only when it's a fan favourite who isn't playing well.
If Smalling or Jones made that tackle there wouldn't be any 'it's only pre season it doesn't matter' comments. Therefore it's only fair to apply the same logic to Lindelof.
The irony is Jones looked amazing yesterday
Yep Jones had a great game yesterday, and Smalling did well against City. But, pre season doesn't matter
Very weird signing, it has to be said. No doubt he'll get a lot better but he doesn't look like an elite defender who can come and slot in straight away which is what we should have been looking for. We already had 4 CBs at the club, 7 if you include TFM,Tuanzebe and Blind.
One of the worst debuts I've seen from a Utd player. Hope Jose sorts it out with him.
I don't see anything wrong with those two posts, other than I say 'precisely this' far too often for my liking.
What are you trying to highlight?
After the last performance, what 1/2 of Redcafe see when watching Lindelöf
That's like me and overuse of the word "really". I die a little inside every time I see that in a post being quoted.I think your defence of Smalling is absolutely fair. He's been pretty good in pre-season and the harsh criticism he got over that one brain-fart was over the top. I just find it interesting that you're less willing to leap to the defence of a player who is threatening Smalling's place in the team, after a similarly clumsy brain-fart (when he didn't have De Gea to bail him out)
I thought Mkhitaryan was good because he did rather well for Dortmund, not because of pre-season. I think the Pereira thread is being a bit silly as well. Again, I think he could be a useful player because of how he did on loan at Granada and not because of how he did vs LA Galaxy.
Praising / criticizing makes perfect sense, no one has complained about that. What's being talked about is the hyperbole. Anyway, this has become tedious now as people are complaining about people complaining about over the top complaining.
I think your defence of Smalling is absolutely fair. He's been pretty good in pre-season and the harsh criticism he got over that one brain-fart was over the top. I just find it interesting that you're less willing to leap to the defence of a player who is threatening Smalling's place in the team, after a similarly clumsy brain-fart (when he didn't have De Gea to bail him out)
I'm going to be self conscious about saying it now.I don't really see the point in criticising Smalling for his head dive because it didn't negatively impact the result, it was just funny to see how weird he is aesthetically.
Misplaced passes and swan dives can happen, and Smalling isn't the only person to do it either, Jones & Bailly also make mistakes but usually recover due to their speed, plus of course the Rojo & his love of diving into a tackle thankfully didn't get him a red when it should have.
If we spent time criticising each mistake a player makes we'll drive ourselves mad.
However I do think its fair to criticise when a mistake leads to a goal, or lack of goal (if they're a striker) and we potentially end up paying for it.
I haven't said anything Lindelof that's been too harsh imo, he had a poor game yesterday, and the conversations have gone back and forth surrounding the idea that because it's pre-season his performances don't matter, and i'm simply saying if that's the case, then that logic should apply to every player.
I think with the current Caf mood the galactico signings will get it in the neck as well
.I think with the current Caf mood the galactico signings will get it in the neck as well
Pogba, Zlatan,Mkhi all had the knives out treatment on here. Strangely Bailly the only one who was not a big name was the only one who did not.
My view is that it is way too early to conclude anything about Lindelof's capabilities.
Wut?
Perreira didnt play bad.. But thats about it.
I meant in the Bailly/Jones/Smalling/Rojo sense, who look like they actually enjoy defending; he looks a bit reluctant to do it, ala Stones.
Just seen the tackle
I hope he turns out to be good eventually. Especially because I don't think Bailly is all that good either.
Terrible tackle, I thought it was fecking hilarious though.
I think it's better to give a player too much time to settle in rather than too little. If some fans had their way Evra, Vidic, Stam all might of been sold due to inital poor starts.
I think Lindelof could be a great player for us, could flop unfortunately no guarantees in football. De Gea could turn into Bravo & Bravo into De Gea next season who the feck knows . I'll gladly wait 2 seasons to find out with a couple of titles along the way hopefully.
I think it's better to give a player too much time to settle in rather than too little. If some fans had their way Evra, Vidic, Stam all might of been sold due to inital poor starts.
I think Lindelof could be a great player for us, could flop unfortunately no guarantees in football. De Gea could turn into Bravo & Bravo into De Gea next season who the feck knows . I'll gladly wait 2 seasons to find out with a couple of titles along the way hopefully.
Shocking so far to say the least.
Shameful response from some United fans. Fair enough he's been uninspiring so far but what good is slating him going to do?
We should get behind him and give him time.
We should get behind him and give him time.
Jesus titty Christ, that was an awful challenge
Laugh it off and get on with it, there's a lot more to come from this guy. I love when people write our players off, it just makes it a lot more satisfactory when they prove everyone wrong.
Laugh it off and get on with it, there's a lot more to come from this guy. I love when people write our players off, it just makes it a lot more satisfactory when they prove everyone wrong.
No idea if he is going to be a good player for us but that challenge was laugh out loud funny. I mean, go big or go home as they say.
I wonder if he realises he needs to get more physical and this was him testing it out
I wonder if he realises he needs to get more physical and this was him testing it out
Agree with that. I'm not so convinced by him yet.
Both of these players need time. Perhaps that's why Mourinho has chosen to keep both Smalling and Jones even though they were outshined by Rojo and Bailly last season.
I mean he won't be reading this forum so I think we can criticise for his level of performance. No ones booing or saying he should leave. The majority of people are just dissatisfied as of now. Obviously everyone will give him time as it's only pre season. But TBH I don't think slaying him will do him any good or bad as he isn't aware of it...
Yep. Vidic wasn't yet the monster that he would become, but he was hardly 'bad' in his first six months. He had the majority of us very excited about the potential partnership between himself and Rio.
Evra on the other hand - his match against City was the worst debut I've ever seen, and he continued to be quite average for his first half a season. It wasn't until he got the pre-season under his belt that he really took off in 06/07.
Some people take a little bit of time. Hopefully worst case scenario is that Lindelof fits into that category.
Many are trying to write him off already without any context. These games are played for a reason. He needs confidence and familiarity and give the coaches time to work with him. Its long term signing and we have cover. However that places pressure on him to seize his position. No doubt he is watching Smalling, Jones, Bailly and Axel and thinking why was he signed! These are talented defenders.
He is starting to know what the challenge is and we will find out this year whether he can make the step up. Those expecting an overnight sensation are living in cuckoo land.
The big signings for us were in the other positions... not a good window if nothing happens at CM or RW/LW
Oh dear, this thread makes appalling reading.
Have we signed the Swedish Stones?
Have we signed the Swedish Stones?
And a year's worth of games for Granada and his entire youth career with us, to be fair.
Jaap Stam had a nightmare start also
I'm far from worried. We have more than enough CBs to allow him to settle in slowly. He won't suffer like Vidic did in his first season.
Been garbage so far. Looks a bit nervous and is desperate to prove that he can make a perfect tackle or a perfect pass, instead he makes mistakes. This is a good thing imo, it's pre-season and he can afford to make these types of mistakes now so he can learn and improve for the future.
I'm going to wait till the end of the season to decide if he's bad or a good defender.
I'm going to wait till the end of the season to decide if he's bad or a good defender.
He did and Pallister had a bloody nightmare too and his fee was a record at the time for a defender. The lad will be fine. The overreaction on here is embarrassing.
Glad I'm not the only one who didn't buy into that myth. There's been a mix up of Evra & Vidic as they came in the same window and after a few years people started to sentimentally recalling them to have had such bad start to their Utd careers whereas in fact only Evra had.
EDIT: Not sure the memory serves but didn't Vidic get an assist in his debut? Against Wolves I think.
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