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Victor Gyökeres
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People going on about fecking Bas Dost? When was he ever anywhere near this prolific?
He keeps doing the business but at the same time I’m still not 100% convinced, not sure why. Don’t even think it’s his fault, I think it might just be because we've made so many bad signings recently that it’s hard to even imagine us getting it right.
Hes apparently available for 60-70m euros would be cheaper than Hojlund. Its a no brainer
I think the only issue is price, otherwise it’s a no-brainer. Isak is, for me, the best centre forward in England, and would be signed as just as much of a chance taker as Gyokeres. He’s a 20 goal PL striker and is younger too. The combination play is an added bonus, and I can’t see how any manager would be opposed to his striker being able to do more if it’s not impacting his ability to score goals.
The combination of goalscoring ability plus dribbling ability and link play make Isak the guy for me, but I wouldn’t be mad ar Gyokeres though. Ultimately, we need a forward aged between 23 and 29 in the first team that can be relied upon to deliver consistent output, so as long as we get that, I’ll be happy.
Gyokeres is yet to score as many league goals as him, though. Not saying he is as good, but he was a very good goal scorer for Sporting in his first two seasons for them.
1. I honestly don't know much about his level. I haven't seen a lot of him besides highlights and compilations. I'm just saying that in principle, if we are confident about the player, we shouldn't be sacred of signing a 27 year old. I am not saying Gyokeres is definitely the guy to go for.
2./3. Yeah, things can go to shit if we sign an expensive player. It's up to the scouting department to make the best decision possible. Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, if we come to the conclusion that he's the right guy.
4. I couldn't care less, where Gyokeres was at 21. We would be buying the player he is now. Some players develop early, others later. And frankly, the impact on Højlund's development, as well as what we have paid for him, should be the least of our concerns, when it comes to signing another striker. Højlund isn't cutting it right now, and that's a fact. He'd probably be better served with a supporting role for a few years than what he is currently doing.
Sure, point me to the two strikers that are both between 19-24 and gettable for £30m each. The last two we have gotten were far more expensive and are not looking too hot right now.
In two of Dost's three full seasons at Sporting he returned league goals at a better rate than Gyokeres did last season. 0.94 & 1.13 versus 0.90 goals per 90.
Gyokeres has been better again this season (1.48), but it's still only November. Whether he can sustain that better-than-Dost rate of returns for a full season remains to be seen.
Regardless, I don't think people are saying he isn't better than Bas Dost, especially as he has performed better in the CL. Just that the concerns about goal tallies being inflated by the Portugese league are legit.
Absolute must buy. Unless Hojlund becomes world class under Amorim.
Gyokeres is at a good age too to allow Hojlund time to grow.
Gyokeres is at a good age too to allow Hojlund time to grow.
A priority in the summer for me. Unless Rashford and Hojlund dramatically improve between now and the summer.
This guy was in a Coventry shirt last season... let that sink in for a second.
Recruit him and the scouting team of Sporting.
Two seasons ago... But I get what you mean.
exactly
Darwin Nunez was a 26 goals in 28 games striker in Portugal
and is just a ~10 league goals a season in England
He scored a hattrick against City. But somehow "probably wont make it in england". He shat all over your best club. Haaland looked like shit compared to him in that game.
We need this guy next season to take us to the next level. We’ve not had a goal machine for years.
I agree. Sell Zirkzee and have Højlund and Gyokeres
It can't be interpolated like that.
Darwin Nunez scored 4 goals in 6 games against the elite teams of Liveprool, Barca and Bayern in UCL in 21-22.
But turned out he is still a 9-10 goals a season striker in England.
Similarly, David Bentley scored hatrick against Man Utd and we cannot interpolate that Bentley will roll over other EPL teams.
I think going in for him in January is a mistake.
Summer is the better window.
Test Hojlund & Zirkzee out until the end of this season whilst keeping an eye out on forms of Gyokores, Osihmen & even Delap.
Summer is the better window.
Test Hojlund & Zirkzee out until the end of this season whilst keeping an eye out on forms of Gyokores, Osihmen & even Delap.
I dont get this.
2 of his hattrick goals were penalties vs City.
Id argue nearly a third of all his goals are from penalties.
Its similar with Jonathan David.
Way I see it, with or without the new manager, this guy has earned himself another stab at the big leagues based on the last few seasons. May not work out but that's the case with virtually all signings. If we can get him, we should. It's the most glaring hole to fill in our squad.
Not sure that can be an argument? It is either true or it is not.
The fact is though, clubs do care about signing players who are 25+ for big money because it makes it incredibly difficult to move on from a bad transfer. We know this is true from watching basically any of the football documentaries and listening to conversations between executives.
It's not about Gyokeres' physical condition - it's about the fact that this will be his last big contract. If we sign him at 27, let's face it, it will be a 5 year deal...or at least a 4 year + 1. It will need to be because we're not too hot on PSR right now.
So we're lumbered with him, for better or for worse. I have seen the bloke play once, you have seen a handful of highlight reels...we're not talking about a man who's been tearing up European football for 6 or 7 years, we're talking about a man who's ran very hot for 18-months BUT it must be noted very few of those goals have come against top opposition.
I go back to it...I can't see INEOS wanting to take the gamble, it doesn't fit with what they have said previously about developing the next XYZ.
And...it's not down to me to name which talented young strikers we should go for instead...I watch United and England + whoever they're playing these days...I would hope our Scouts have a broader depth of knowledge than me! It's more of a comment on a profile than a specific player anyway...signing players in the £20-£30m bracket allows you to easily move on if it doesn't work.
Even if for a couple of seasons he could be our Michu that would be immense. A lot of people complaining about his past - remember the path Jamie Vardy too. Or even Harry Kane. What was Ollie Watkins doing a couple of years ago?
People will always try and question what he is currently doing but what more could he do to?
They're not.
This season he has scored 6 of 16 in the league alone, so you could make a case here but in general, they aren't. In the last three seasons he has scored 66 league goals, and 14 are penalties.
Penalties are still goals too, and when you're scoring and contributing at the rate he does it isn't a negative.
Not just playing for Coventry, but scoring goals at the same rate in the Championship that Hojlund did in the Premier League last season.
Just goes to show, you never know how players will develop.
It's really bizarre that people believe all players develop in the same fashion. If you're not playing for City or United by the age of 25 you must be crap.
Again, I'm not making an argument about the player, because I haven't seen enough. It's just about the principle. If Gyokeres (or any other player) is a world class level talent that fits into the system and the squad, I firmly believe we should not be shying away from him, simply because he is aged 27 years old. It should give us five seasons at the highest level at least.
No-one can know where the team is at the end of that period, but if we actually want to make solid improvements to the squad, we cannot keep tinkering with talents that may or may not develop into something useful. Our forward line is full of those already (Garnacho, Højlund, Amad, etc.). That's the recipe for continuing to languish in that 5th to 8th position in the league.
And I think you are far too concerned with resale value. What do you think the resale value of Højlund, Antony, or Zirkzee would be? Hard to say exactly, but we've definitely lost tens of millions on those already, even though we've bought them young. I'd argue someone like Højlund is one of those that probably should have cost £20-30m like you suggest we go after, but in the end he cost £64m plus add-ons. We aren't going to find these forwards for £20-30m that are anything more than talents to be used as subs and rotation. And the squad desperately needs quality players that can improve us now, instead of in 3-4 seasons. Maybe you've noticed we've only scored 12 goals in 11 games in the league.
That's the essence of it yeah. He's obviously just kicked on a few years later than most. It happens.
If we’re spending huge money it better be on greatness. Amorim will sink if he brings in expensive duds.
What’s more, that the host of elite clubs now looking at him didn’t get the memo that he’s not for them due to his age and how he got to the point they are interested in the first place.
They obviously aren't aware that he played for Coventry recently.
I completely agree. I think the poster would have a point if one third of his goals were penalties and he didn't score much from open play, but it's isn't the case for Gyokeres. He scores a lot of goals from open play and is a great penalty taker so he is definitely one we should be aiming to get.
Let's get to a level first before the next level
What do you mean? Did you see that training video we probably won’t lose ever again.
There’s always a level. It’s just about which one we’re at. We’re probably middle. We’re still winning trophies. The next levels challenging for the Pl and CL regular.