every player is a gamble. the fact is there aren't many top choice strikers out there at the moment. if we can get either him or Osi, it would be a gamble worth taking. at the end of the day we need another striker, and at least this one has scored goals this year.
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Disagree - if we look at touches per player per game in the EPL, Hojlund and Zirkzee are respectively 20th and 21st out of 26 players in the squad. Doesn't this suggest that the issue is our inability to get the ball to the forward line, and that the priority therefore should be buying a midfielder, creator, or wingback? Any striker we buy will suffer from the same issue - lack of supply. Shelling out on Gyokeres, or any other striker, would be a mistake at this point.
Stats: https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask/manchester-united-players-touches-per-game-in-epl
Admittedly I haven't watched Gyokeres in any detail.....
I'm aware of his background and his meteoric rise and late development
Do we really want to allocate so many resources to this kind of transfer given that PSR is a concern
We need to be signing the next Gyokeres unless there's an elite option available that justifies 80m+ - e.g. a Lewandowski type player
I think we have many other issues in this squad and allocating most of our resources to one area would be wasteful
I'm aware of his background and his meteoric rise and late development
Do we really want to allocate so many resources to this kind of transfer given that PSR is a concern
We need to be signing the next Gyokeres unless there's an elite option available that justifies 80m+ - e.g. a Lewandowski type player
I think we have many other issues in this squad and allocating most of our resources to one area would be wasteful
Hojlund says hello
agreed
I've high hopes for Rasmus
when Gyokeres was his age he was leaving Brighton on loan continuously
I think we need some competition for Hojlund and an 80m Gyokeres isn't it for me
He won't have his pick of clubs.
Without checking for other clubs, that doesn't sound unusual. Strikers in general will have fewer touches than midfielders, central defenders, fullbacks etc. Doesn't really prove anything. You could also argue that they have few touches, because they fail to get properly involved in the game. More importantly they lose the ball way too often through poor touches, being outmuscled or something else.
Our lack of goals is multifaceted, no doubt, but put simply the striker position is arguably the one where we have the least quality right now alongside LWB.
I to have high hopes for Hojilund eventually he’s going to be superb. I go back to the SAF era though when we won the champions league, Solskjaer, Cole, Yorke, sherringham. 4 out and out strikers for 2 positions. Why can’t we have a better striker in there to help Hojilund develop? If Hojilund got injured on Sunday who plays up front?
Maybe they're not getting in the right positions?
Spot on - neither is good enough. Hojlund might be, down the line, but he's very raw. Spends too much time battling with Defenders and his close control is poor. With his pace, you'd expect to see him running in behind more than you do, but that may be the system I suppose.
I think wages is more important than fee in this case. £80 mill is probably too steep regardless for anyone from Portugal, Eredivise or similar, but the wage demand is more important. Currently he is on £40k a week.
Would he accept a contract offer of £120k a week? I that case, if the £60 mill this summer is true, he will cost less than £100 mill including the transfer fee over the next five years. Someone like Oshimen will probably cost £100 mill in wages alone.
It is a big deal. Because if Gyokeres turns out to be not good enough for Man Utd we would probably be able to sell him. Quite a few PL clubs can offer £120k a week. Maybe we would have to cover £40-50k a week for a few years. That is less than £10 mill. So the risk would be very low.
Gyokeres seens well rounded too and it feels like his physique lower the risk by much. Players of that size, with that pace and running power, will always be of value in the PL.
So, even with a fee of £60 mill and at 27, this would feel like a lower risk signing. Unless we have heavy competition his wage demands go up significantly.
Would he accept a contract offer of £120k a week? I that case, if the £60 mill this summer is true, he will cost less than £100 mill including the transfer fee over the next five years. Someone like Oshimen will probably cost £100 mill in wages alone.
It is a big deal. Because if Gyokeres turns out to be not good enough for Man Utd we would probably be able to sell him. Quite a few PL clubs can offer £120k a week. Maybe we would have to cover £40-50k a week for a few years. That is less than £10 mill. So the risk would be very low.
Gyokeres seens well rounded too and it feels like his physique lower the risk by much. Players of that size, with that pace and running power, will always be of value in the PL.
So, even with a fee of £60 mill and at 27, this would feel like a lower risk signing. Unless we have heavy competition his wage demands go up significantly.
“Touches” and “getting chances created for them” is a part of it, but it’s far from the full issue. Rasmus Hojlund is the very bottom percentile in Europe’s top 5 leagues for shots taken per 90 minutes. That’s a mental stat. It is not in him, man. He gets lost in the sauce of jostling and wrestling.
The intensity is too much for Zirkzee. He needs an extra half second in every action he does.
Both have their pluses, but neither are good enough for what we want. I have no doubt that Zirkzee will go back to being a solid 1 in 3 striker in the Serie A when we send him back, and I’m sure Hojlund will be here for another few seasons at least.
Not convinced Gyatkeres is the answer, but who else? I can’t think of [m]any other 24-28 y/os of the correct age profile with the stats to back it up.
The intensity is too much for Zirkzee. He needs an extra half second in every action he does.
Both have their pluses, but neither are good enough for what we want. I have no doubt that Zirkzee will go back to being a solid 1 in 3 striker in the Serie A when we send him back, and I’m sure Hojlund will be here for another few seasons at least.
Not convinced Gyatkeres is the answer, but who else? I can’t think of [m]any other 24-28 y/os of the correct age profile with the stats to back it up.
Thanks for all you do, Buzz Killington
agree we obviously have no depth in this area. Hindsight a wonderful thing but from the Summer there were options there
Guirassy 18m euro
Evanilson at Bournemouth 37m euro
Toney? was going for Salary though I think
if budget wasn't an option then maybe Gyokeres is a feasible option
given PSR and the issues across the squad I wouldn't be throwing money that way.
£80million Max. Over 5 years is 16 a season.
If he actually costs 80 that means he’s met all his clauses and we’d have a player in that position at last.
8 in 10 we’d take that.Could be a lot worse
Could be a lot worse
Looks like Hojlund's Europa League score sheet to be honest. Bit worried about the price tag and how many of his goals are penalties but its better than nothing.
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Anybody who scores goals will do.
I think we have to worry far more about chance creation at the moment (and defensive mistakes). Gyokeres would cost a lot of money and there are very very few strikers in world football that don't live and die on their service and he isn't one of them IMO. Fix the supply and our current striker will get enough goals for now.
I agree we need to improve supply, however still need that proven goalscorer to finish off
Ah, the lesser known Jason Donovan B-Side...
It comes back to us only having one striker. Hojilund injured we are done.
Who is that though?
We need to create chances in the first place
Not a chance we get this guy this month. Or any decent ST that’s been banging in goals for that matter.
We do though don’t we? Since amorims come in I’ve seen our chances increase, we’re just so wasteful with them. Like all the easy ones Højlund as missed. Also sometimes a ST can create for himself, we don’t have that here.
While we need him, we need wingbacks, a CM and Number 10 more urgently.
Could they? So why haven't they?
It's been ten years since someone scored more than Gyokores did last season in the PT league.
He's definitely not coming now, maybe in the summer which would be very useful, as he has experience in the Championship.
Half of the time Hojlund is not even in any position to receive a good chance
Good point. I mean ideally the striker will be making runs that Fernandes made like the one against city where he chipped it and missed. A clinical striker buries that.
Growing up I recall Mario Jardel tearing it up for Porto and wondering why no major club ever went for him.
Not to be rude, but I stopped reading at you haven't watched him. You need to start with that before making a decision. We need finished article not prospects like we have now.
We've certainly had example of games, where we dominated in terms of chances but then still lost handily, because of poor finishing and lapses in concentration. Actually I don't think Højlund is the main culprit when it comes to missing chances. That would be Garnacho, Bruno, and to some extent Amad. It's more a matter of getting to the chances and also his link-up play. Don't really remember many sitters Højlund has missed this season.
I have also not seen much, but from what I have seen I think he can be much more involved in the build up with his movement and ability to shrug off defenders which would add a big extra dimension to our attack. As well as being a great finisher.
fair enough - that's why I prefaced it
without watching him regularly am I wrong in saying he's not in the same class as a 27 year old Lewa or Kane?
it's transfer strategy for me and the needs of the squad. We spent 100m net in Summer.
Given our finances do you think 80m would be well spent on Gyokeres. You'd basically be blowing the budget on a player
Hojlund's shots per game has dropped quite low this season compared last and way below his time at Atalanta. Gyokeres will probably get more involved but there's something we need to fix in general with getting Hojlund to face the goal, allow balls to be played between the lines and also cutbacks.
Reminds me of Weghorst, yes not a top striker but has scored lots in Germany, Turkey, not a league goal here but starts scoring again once he leaves and always a threat for Holland. For us he became a foil type player and target man in a dead attack of Antony Garna/Rashford like Hojlund is becoming.
Some of Hojlund's goals show good short link up around the box and others show deft finishes from loose balls and low crosses. He seems overjoyed when he's involved but has quickly become limited again under Amorim. He's not a back to goal player that can handle balls fired at him. His Atalanta game is lay it off early deep then get a cutback or low cross or run from deeper facing the goal between the lines which the latter part should be right on with Amorim's plan.
He will come but in summer, bigger club, bigger league, and with the coach that guided him to his best. For me he is the player we need the most.
I reckon he'll likely be shit like every other player we've bought in the last 11 years. End up with 5 goals in 18 games kind of record.
I'd love to be proven wrong.
I'd love to be proven wrong.