Victor Gyökeres

Still not fully convinced by him.

1st goal tonight was deflected, 2nd goal was shocking keeping and 3rd was a pretty much an open goal tap in.

I’m not saying he’s crap, I just don’t see an £80m striker in him and we need to move away from overpaying for players and adding unnecessary pressure. 50m maybe, but I struggle to see Sporting letting him leave for that.
 
daba said:
Still not fully convinced by him.

1st goal tonight was deflected, 2nd goal was shocking keeping and 3rd was a pretty much an open goal tap in.

I’m not saying he’s crap, I just don’t see an £80m striker in him and we need to move away from overpaying for players and adding unnecessary pressure. 50m maybe, but I struggle to see Sporting letting him leave for that.
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I am convinced by him since one doesn't bag nearly a goal a game over two seasons by accident. I do agree that Sporting won't entertain any offers for that low, unless of course they receive another player in return as part of the overall deal.
 
daba said:
Still not fully convinced by him.

1st goal tonight was deflected, 2nd goal was shocking keeping and 3rd was a pretty much an open goal tap in.

I’m not saying he’s crap, I just don’t see an £80m striker in him and we need to move away from overpaying for players and adding unnecessary pressure. 50m maybe, but I struggle to see Sporting letting him leave for that.
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We should pay what the other clubs are offering. As for the quality of some of his goals, we'd love a tap in merchant just being in the right place to score easy goals. That's what would get us points.
 
Sorry I just feel that Hojlund would score loads of goals for this Sporting team. Have a feeling he would struggle at Utd.
 
I like how decisive he is with his finishing. He doesn't overplay or over complicate things.
His finishing is crisp and sharp with great power. Reminds me of Kane and RVP.
 
daba said:
Still not fully convinced by him.

1st goal tonight was deflected, 2nd goal was shocking keeping and 3rd was a pretty much an open goal tap in.

I’m not saying he’s crap, I just don’t see an £80m striker in him and we need to move away from overpaying for players and adding unnecessary pressure. 50m maybe, but I struggle to see Sporting letting him leave for that.
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Guy scored a hat trick tonight but ahhhhkchuallyyy here's why it was pretty crap and why he's pretty crap.

Bore off
 
arthurka said:
Sorry I just feel that Hojlund would score loads of goals for this Sporting team. Have a feeling he would struggle at Utd.
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I agree.
croadyman said:
What's your feeling about Osimhen?
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He'd struggle also. We're stifling our strikers due to not knowing how to attack in the final third, it is Championship level.

Any striker would struggle to score goals in our team, as those surrounding them are just not good enough.
 
daba said:
That’s why I struggle to see Garnacho making it under Amorim. Have other needs to learn quickly or he’ll likely be on his way.
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Yea, it's down to movement off the ball more, specific positioning. Garnacho isn't great with that or making the passes. A younger Erikson would have worked better.
 
daba said:
Still not fully convinced by him.

1st goal tonight was deflected, 2nd goal was shocking keeping and 3rd was a pretty much an open goal tap in.

I’m not saying he’s crap, I just don’t see an £80m striker in him and we need to move away from overpaying for players and adding unnecessary pressure. 50m maybe, but I struggle to see Sporting letting him leave for that.
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In fairness I remember saying similar things before we signed Bruno. ‘Oh that one was deflected’, ‘keeper should’ve saved that one’ but he proved me wrong.
 
There's not really much more he can do at Sporting to convince he's ready to make the step up to a major club.

From a fan's perspective, it just comes down to how much faith you're willing to put in a season and a half of elite goalscoring form. And you hope your club's scouting team is in a much better position to assess whether he's worth the risk and make the right call.

Personally, I'd much prefer Osimhen as he's maintained a high rate of returns across a lot more seasons, most of which were in a better league than any Gyokeres has played in. But with so few stand out CF options on the market, you'd have to be looking at Gyokeres very closely...

I'm sure someone will take a chance on him and he could be a hit. But there's also a very obvious risk he'll flop, and if he does then in retrospect it will look like whoever bought him walked into the most obvious of transfer mistakes.
 
His finishing looks lethal with power, that kind of technique generally gets better and transfers well across the levels, it’s also an indicator of good mentality.

He can also carry the ball by himself and make chances, he’s strong and fairly fast.
I’d predict we’d get good returns from him.

Osimhen on the other hand looks like a poacher and doesnt bring much if the team isnt getting the ball to him. He can hold the ball up well, but he needs players around him to make the chances.
 
AkaAkuma said:
His finishing looks lethal with power, that kind of technique generally gets better and transfers well across the levels, it’s also an indicator of good mentality.

He can also carry the ball by himself and make chances, he’s strong and fairly fast.
I’d predict we’d get good returns from him.

Osimhen on the other hand looks like a poacher and doesnt bring much if the team isnt getting the ball to him. He can hold the ball up well, but he needs players around him to make the chances.
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That last paragraph is a very valid point, especially when we provide little service to strikers
 
I am still worried that he is Darwin Nunez #2

Nunez almost scored 1 goal per game in his last season for Benfica but in EPL he is just a ~10 league goal per season striker
 
ScholesBrain said:
I am still worried that he is Darwin Nunez #2

Nunez almost scored 1 goal per game in his last season for Benfica but in EPL he is just a ~10 league goal per season striker
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Stylistically are they the same?

I think people are getting drawn into comparing numbers when the reality is each player brings a different skillset.
 
ScholesBrain said:
I am still worried that he is Darwin Nunez #2

Nunez almost scored 1 goal per game in his last season for Benfica but in EPL he is just a ~10 league goal per season striker
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In Nunez' case there was a very obvious red flag in the shape of him scoring his 32 goals from around 21 xG that season. You couldn't get a more obvious example of a player on an unsustainable hot streak going for a inflated fee.

Gyokeres has also overperformed, but not by quite as much. 57 goals from 47 xG across a season and a half.

And what particularly burned Liverpool with Nunez was not only was that a one off freak season, but in every other season he's been actively shit at taking his chances. Given Gyokeres doesn't have the same evident deficiencies in technique that Nunez always did, I'd at least be fairly confident he wouldn't turn out to be the same type of bad.
 
sullydnl said:
In Nunez' case there was a very obvious red flag in the shape of him scoring his 32 goals from around 21 xG that season. You couldn't get a more obvious example of a player on an unsustainable hot streak going for a inflated fee.

Gyokeres has also overperformed, but not by quite as much. 57 goals from 47 xG across a season and a half.

And what particularly burned Liverpool with Nunez was not only was that a one off freak season, but in every other season he's been actively shit at taking his chances. Given Gyokeres doesn't have the same evident deficiencies in technique that Nunez always did, I'd at least be fairly confident he wouldn't turn out to be the same type of bad.
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I think people are falling into the trap of comparing players because they came from the same league, which is not a very good way of looking at a player. You have to look at each player individually and see what they've done at an individual level. For instance, we shouldn't be comparing Gyokeres to Nunes just like we shouldn't be comparing him to other former Sporting attackers we've bought in the past (CR7, Nani, Bruno et al).

Also, the numbers listed above for both Nunes and Gyokeres seem to be a bit off. Nunes got 48 goals in 85 fixtures. Not bad, but not world beater numbers either.

Gyokeres now has 73 goals in 78 appearances. Those are elite Haaland at Dortmund or Lewandowski at Bayern type numbers.
 
Raoul said:
I think people are falling into the trap of comparing players because they came from the same league, which is not a very good way of looking at a player. You have to look at each player individually and see what they've done at an individual level. For instance, we shouldn't be comparing Gyokeres to Nunes just like we shouldn't be comparing him to other former Sporting attackers we've bought in the past (CR7, Nani, Bruno et al).

Also, the numbers listed above for both Nunes and Gyokeres seem to be a bit off. Nunes got 48 goals in 85 fixtures. Not bad, but not world beater numbers either.

Gyokeres now has 73 goals in 78 appearances. Those are elite Haaland at Dortmund or Lewandowski at Bayern type numbers.
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Can he produce those numbers here though
 
My worry about Gyokeres is
A) he seems like a very fast striker who likes to run the channels - an opposition low defensive block will cut out the channels to run in to.
B) alot of his scoring is from penalties which i appreciate because it feels like we always have a striker on top form, but do we need to create penalties for him the same way we need to create chances for Osimhen. Looks like a really good striker though that will strike a ghost like fear on the opposition if it works right.

B) Osimhen for me has a crazy personality, with Amorim saying we lack leaders, i feel like Osihmen will be a player that can literally make a commanding shout in every 45 mins. Whilst i do understand that Osihmen does rely on service - Amorim's system is predominantly building a strikers opportunity to get service isnt it? Why play wingbacks if they cant cross and we dont have a striker who can head it in? Osimhen has the ability to channel run aswell but not as good as Gyokeres. He also doesnt seem to have a stats sheet covered in penalties. However, Osimhen can come across a bit ball watching like around the box being more predatory rather than Gyokeres who takes his man on, but as said above Gyokeres might not get those chances. Osimhen can score from wide angls, bycicle kicks, quick runs, headers & i do wonder if Osimhen can do alot of things that Gyokeres can do but Gyokeres may not be able to do what Osimhen can do. One thing about Osimhen would be that he can come off egotistical with that big mentality - we got to analyse if we want that or not. One plus though is Osimhen has dominated nearly every league he has played in and in that aspect i feel he may adapt to the PL better; but Gyokeres will is obviously adapt environmentally since his time in coventry.
 
croadyman said:
Can he produce those numbers here though
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I wouldn't expect him to. But I would expect 25 goals in all comps over a 55-60 game season. After all, a 36 year old CR7 managed 24 goals in 38 games and even Bruno managed 28 goals in 58 in his 2nd year. Just having a striker who can get 25-30 goals would remove the weight of the world from all our other attackers and give them a bit of breathing space to create more chances.
 
Shaw's Shank Redemption said:
My worry about Gyokeres is
A) he seems like a very fast striker who likes to run the channels - an opposition low defensive block will cut out the channels to run in to.
B) alot of his scoring is from penalties which i appreciate because it feels like we always have a striker on top form, but do we need to create penalties for him the same way we need to create chances for Osimhen. Looks like a really good striker though that will strike a ghost like fear on the opposition if it works right.

B) Osimhen for me has a crazy personality, with Amorim saying we lack leaders, i feel like Osihmen will be a player that can literally make a commanding shout in every 45 mins. Whilst i do understand that Osihmen does rely on service - Amorim's system is predominantly building a strikers opportunity to get service isnt it? Why play wingbacks if they cant cross and we dont have a striker who can head it in? Osimhen has the ability to channel run aswell but not as good as Gyokeres. He also doesnt seem to have a stats sheet covered in penalties. However, Osimhen can come across a bit ball watching like around the box being more predatory rather than Gyokeres who takes his man on, but as said above Gyokeres might not get those chances. Osimhen can score from wide angls, bycicle kicks, quick runs, headers & i do wonder if Osimhen can do alot of things that Gyokeres can do but Gyokeres may not be able to do what Osimhen can do. One thing about Osimhen would be that he can come off egotistical with that big mentality - we got to analyse if we want that or not. One plus though is Osimhen has dominated nearly every league he has played in and in that aspect i feel he may adapt to the PL better; but Gyokeres will is obviously adapt environmentally since his time in coventry.
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Yeah Osimhen feels like a leader, however Gyokeres seems like someone not reliant on service. Shame we didn't sign both instead of wasting it on Mount, Onana and Antony.
 
I like the look of Gykores but really don’t think we should be signing him for a couple of reasons.

Firstly the price tag - 60m if we wait , 80m if now. It’s too much money for a 27 year old who has it all to prove in a tougher league.

Second reason is there is more urgent things to fix - like creating chances in the first place. I don’t remember us missing tons of easy chances. If we get to the point where we can cut teams open at will and the forwards are missing chance after chance then it’s time to invest.

I appreciate Gyokores attributes and if he was a 25-30m gamble then fair enough it’s worth a punt but 60-80m gamble given recent history it’s not a risk worth taking given that he is 27 too, if he were to fail he’s looking at the back end of his career if we were to sell.

This move just smells of desperation as he has played for Ruben before and has experience in the system but he doesn’t have the extra X factor to take the risk ala a strike who can create for himself from nothing.

Obviously if we were to get him I would be all behind him and hope he would prove wrong on a large scale.

At the moment I would be happy with a striker who is very good with his back to goal to help the ball stick at the top end as Hoijlund has quite a lot of work to do on his first touch - I do believe he will be the main man in the end though.
 
Bon1803 said:
I like the look of Gykores but really don’t think we should be signing him for a couple of reasons.

Firstly the price tag - 60m if we wait , 80m if now. It’s too much money for a 27 year old who has it all to prove in a tougher league.

Second reason is there is more urgent things to fix - like creating chances in the first place. I don’t remember us missing tons of easy chances. If we get to the point where we can cut teams open at will and the forwards are missing chance after chance then it’s time to invest.

I appreciate Gyokores attributes and if he was a 25-30m gamble then fair enough it’s worth a punt but 60-80m gamble given recent history it’s not a risk worth taking given that he is 27 too, if he were to fail he’s looking at the back end of his career if we were to sell.

This move just smells of desperation as he has played for Ruben before and has experience in the system but he doesn’t have the extra X factor to take the risk ala a strike who can create for himself from nothing.

Obviously if we were to get him I would be all behind him and hope he would prove wrong on a large scale.

At the moment I would be happy with a striker who is very good with his back to goal to help the ball stick at the top end as Hoijlund has quite a lot of work to do on his first touch - I do believe he will be the main man in the end though.
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Hojlund is a project striker and just as risky as the points you have raised. So for the £60m in summer who do you think we can get in his prime, cheaper, who is not a project striker but ready to hit the ground running?

I personally cannot think of one. There is always a risk when buying a striker from any smaller league. Do we wait till they go to a tougher league and then splash double?

Anyways if this happens it will be summer ntl Jan. I agree we need to prioritise other positions before a striker LWB and L10, and then a loan striker at least.
 
gulli_G said:
Curious why has Conte loaned Osimehn out?

Does he have attitude issues?
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Nothing to do with Conte or Osimhen attitudes.

Napoli and Aurelio de Laurentis put a ridiculous transfer fee on Osimhen effectively barring Osimhen from completing a transfer to PSG.

There was also the curious case of the Coconut in which Napoli published a TikTok describing Osimhen as a coconut resulting in a relationship breakdown between the player and the club.

Basically, he refuses to play for Napoli anymore and Napoli at first intended on making him sit in reserves until summer but decided to loan to Galatasaray to save on wages and put him in the shop window
 
gulli_G said:
Hojlund is a project striker and just as risky as the points you have raised. So for the £60m in summer who do you think we can get in his prime, cheaper, who is not a project striker but ready to hit the ground running?

I personally cannot think of one. There is always a risk when buying a striker from any smaller league. Do we wait till they go to a tougher league and then splash double?

Anyways if this happens it will be summer ntl Jan. I agree we need to prioritise other positions before a striker LWB and L10, and then a loan striker at least.
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When I was posting I did think of alternatives but didn’t really come up with anything , most were again project strikers.

Osihmen is one I would stay away from as his wages alone would be crazy and his fall from grace at Napoli is concerning although I think some of that stems from the reaction to a missed penalty.

To be fair most roads do lead to Gykores in the summer.
 
All those saying £60-80m is too much for a striker who isn’t playing in a top league. If he was playing in a top league with those numbers at his age we’d have to pay way over 100 £million.

Neymar, Mbappe, Kane even in his 30s. The only decent value was Haaland and who knows how much city really paid for him.
 
Steve 007 said:
All those saying £60-80m is too much for a striker who isn’t playing in a top league. If he was playing in a top league with those numbers at his age we’d have to pay way over 100 £million.

Neymar, Mbappe, Kane even in his 30s. The only decent value was Haaland and who knows how much city really paid for him.
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Exactly. Warped reality. Unless you unearth a gem or turn an unfancied player into a star, you’re going to be paying a premium for any good striker let alone those that look like they may kick on at one of the big clubs. One correction to your post is £ to €. It makes a big difference as €70m is £58.5ish, which really isn’t bad in today’s marketplace.
 
I don't think anyone is questioning the transfer. It's more that there are more urgent areas to fix.

Amorims style is to get the ball to the WBs or 10s in the final third where they carry, commit players and cross to where Gyokeres has a high XG chance.

If we sign him on his own where are these high XG chances he's used to going to materialise from?

Dalot is all kinds of crazy at LWB. If you consider the 4 WB/10 positions, how many players do we have that provide regular 7/10 performances or better? Probably just Amad.
 
Paul778 said:
I don't think anyone is questioning the transfer. It's more that there are more urgent areas to fix.

Amorims style is to get the ball to the WBs or 10s in the final third where they carry, commit players and cross to where Gyokeres has a high XG chance.

If we sign him on his own where are these high XG chances he's used to going to materialise from?

Dalot is all kinds of crazy at LWB. If you consider the 4 WB/10 positions, how many players do we have that provide regular 7/10 performances or better? Probably just Amad.
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Agree our left side is non existent, allows for teams to double down on Amad.
 
I think it’s crazy people are saying we don’t need a striker.

Liverpool: Nunez, Salah, Diaz, Jota, Gapko.

Arsenal: Jesus, Matinelli, Harvard
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I don't think anyone is questioning the transfer. It's more that there are more urgent areas to fix.

Amorims style is to get the ball to the WBs or 10s in the final third where they carry, commit players and cross to where Gyokeres has a high XG chance.

If we sign him on his own where are these high XG chances he's used to going to materialise from?

Dalot is all kinds of crazy at LWB. If you consider the 4 WB/10 positions, how many players do we have that provide regular 7/10 performances or better? Probably just Amad.
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I can’t understand how anyone thinks that an attacking goal scorer is not required.

Look at the teams at the Top, Chelsea , Arsenal and Liverpool. Now look at us. With Rashford out who plays striker if Hojilund is out? Zirkzee? Anthony?
 
Steve 007 said:
I think it’s crazy people are saying we don’t need a striker.

Liverpool: Nunez, Salah, Diaz, Jota, Gapko.

Arsenal: Jesus, Matinelli, Harvard

I can’t understand how anyone thinks that an attacking goal scorer is not required.

Look at the teams at the Top, Chelsea , Arsenal and Liverpool. Now look at us. With Rashford out who plays striker if Hojilund is out? Zirkzee? Anthony?
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We definitely need at least two good ones with Hojlund as backup. But in January it is probably a loan with our main business in Summer.
 
There are two main reasons why I think any European striker who has not already shown they can play in the Premier league will not succeed at United.

1. English league is way more physical across every team than any other league in Europe

2. United are an awful football team in terms of creating chances for the CF

Combine those two and it's another 5 goals in 20 games situation. Be that Gyokeres or Osimhen
 
GaryLifo said:
There are two main reasons why I think any European striker who has not already shown they can play in the Premier league will not succeed at United.

1. English league is way more physical across every team than any other league in Europe

2. United are an awful football team in terms of creating chances for the CF

Combine those two and it's another 5 goals in 20 games situation. Be that Gyokeres or Osimhen
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He was forged in the Championship, which is a rougher league than the PL. Some of the PL players we see rolling around would be mortified by the treatment they would receive in the Championship. I think it’s also fair to say he knows what playing in a bad team is like, given his roots. He’s hardly come up the silver spoon route.
 
Which striker is similar to Gyokeres? The way how he uses his strength to hold the ball reminds me bit of Calum Wilson or Diego Costa. Diego Costa has good first touch, is Gyokeres first touch good? Diego costa was aggressive & powerful striker who has great hold up play with his strength and first touch and also has great heading ability, I’m not sure if Gyokeres heading ability is anywhere near Costa’s.

I know for sure it’s not Nunez because Nunez is more a traditional striker who is more poacher. He’s like the Uruguayan version of Calvert Lewin.
 
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