Victor Gyökeres

I'd kill for a skillful, quick striker who is a menace to defenses. Our team needs something like that, not just a "finisher" type at the end of attacks. We need our own Suarez when Liverpool were in the dumps.

We really can't afford to get this one wrong.
 
GaryLifo said:
I reckon he'll likely be shit like every other player we've bought in the last 11 years. End up with 5 goals in 18 games kind of record.

I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Gyökeres is built different though. He’s like Haaland. And he gets involved and makes movements.
 
Shark said:
I'd kill for a skillful, quick striker who is a menace to defenses. Our team needs something like that, not just a "finisher" type at the end of attacks. We need our own Suarez when Liverpool were in the dumps.

We really can't afford to get this one wrong.
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Isak would probably fit that mould. Very silky with the ball, very good in the air, he’s quick and can finish.
 
DJ_21 said:
Isak would probably fit that mould. Very silky with the ball, very good in the air, he’s quick and can finish.
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He would, definitely. We need some fireworks in this team, not more system players just suited to one style. We've barely anyone in the side who can beat a man.
 
Shark said:
He would, definitely. We need some fireworks in this team, not more system players just suited to one style. We've barely anyone in the side who can beat a man.
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Very true. No idea what’s gone wrong with Garnacho. He was the only player who looked like he wanted to take his defender on everytime he had the ball.
 
DJ_21 said:
Very true. No idea what’s gone wrong with Garnacho. He was the only player who looked like he wanted to take his defender on everytime he had the ball.
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that’s the problem right there. Everybody knew what he was going to do and just stopped him from doing it.
 
Raoul said:
All of those positions are pointless if you can't score goals.
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A striker is not going to score much with no service. We could stick Haaland up front, and he'd be incredibly frustrated.

Our general play in the earlier phases need to improve by a lot.
 
buckooo1978 said:
fair enough - that's why I prefaced it

without watching him regularly am I wrong in saying he's not in the same class as a 27 year old Lewa or Kane?

it's transfer strategy for me and the needs of the squad. We spent 100m net in Summer.

Given our finances do you think 80m would be well spent on Gyokeres. You'd basically be blowing the budget on a player
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You can't compare until he moves to a big club, but not many strikers are in that class.
 
AjaxCunian said:
A striker is not going to score much with no service. We could stick Haaland up front, and he'd be incredibly frustrated.

Our general play in the earlier phases need to improve by a lot.
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Except that we don't have any strikers that can score sufficient goals with or without service. Hojland or Zirkzee are at best developmental players who should be brought along slowly behind an established, successful striker who is knocking in 25-30 goals a year. Therefore buying wingbacks, CMs, and #10s (the latter two are pipe dreams given Bruno's role and the fact that we bought Ugarte and already have Mainoo) are not going to move the needle. An in form striker on the other hand will definitely do so.
 
I don't think anyone is going to convinced about a United manager going for their last clubs players for big money for a while given what Ten Hag has just done.

And at least this should make us super cautious, so if we still go ahead and do it then you'd like to think they stand a far better chance of succeeding than Antony ever did.

To be far to Gyokeres his numbers are light years ahead of anything Ten Hags offerings had, and I'd take what looks like a top player for the Portuguese league than the Dutch league any time.
 
And tonight’s exactly why sporting won’t let him go until the summer
 
DJ_21 said:
We do though don’t we? Since amorims come in I’ve seen our chances increase, we’re just so wasteful with them. Like all the easy ones Højlund as missed. Also sometimes a ST can create for himself, we don’t have that here.
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Not near enough, and not recently specifically.
 
DJ_21 said:
Isak would probably fit that mould. Very silky with the ball, very good in the air, he’s quick and can finish.
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Isak 5 goals for Sweden in 2024
Gyorkeres 10 goals for Sweden in 2024

Isak 15 in 50 caps
Gyorkeres 15 in 26 caps

This kid is the real deal
 
Raoul said:
Min 2.

1-0



Min 14

2-0

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Look at the space and time he gets for each goal. And that's against the 6th placed side in Portugal. Having a mean shot on you and being a good transitional threat against these sides is all well and good, but it doesn't make him an elite striker.
 
Rojofiam said:
Look at the space and time he gets for each goal. And that's against the 6th placed side in Portugal. Having a mean shot on you and being a good transitional threat against these sides is all well and good, but it doesn't make him an elite striker.
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Doesn't make him not elite either.

He's done pretty well in the CL and Internationally.
 
Rojofiam said:
Look at the space and time he gets for each goal. And that's against the 6th placed side in Portugal. Having a mean shot on you and being a good transitional threat against these sides is all well and good, but it doesn't make him an elite striker.
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This is not a convincing argument. If he routinely missed all of his chances, then what you're saying may have a bit of credibility since that is what has also plagued United's attackers this year. At the end of the day, you are arguing against a wildly successful striker with 73 goals in 78 appearances over the past two seasons.
 
JJ12 said:
Doesn't make him not elite either.

He's done pretty well in the CL and Internationally.
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Raoul said:
This is not a convincing argument. If he routinely missed all of his chances, then what you're saying may have a bit of credibility since that is what has also plagued United's attackers this year. At the end of the day, you are arguing against a wildly successful striker with 73 goals in 78 appearances over the past two seasons.
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Can you show me just 10 goals from those 73, where he scored against a good team defending in a low-block? Because that's what he will mostly face if he wants to go to a big team. Won't have so many opportunities to feast on transitions against scrubs.
 
Rojofiam said:
Can you show me just 10 goals from those 73, where he scored against a good team defending in a low-block? Because that's what he will mostly face if he wants to go to a big team. Won't have so many opportunities to feast on transitions against scrubs.
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Most of his goals are listed in various places in this thread. I'm sure you can locate them in various tweets and YouTube comps.

There's a reason United, Bayern, Arsenal, and Barca have been linked with signing the player.
 
Shark said:
I'd kill for a skillful, quick striker who is a menace to defenses. Our team needs something like that, not just a "finisher" type at the end of attacks. We need our own Suarez when Liverpool were in the dumps.

We really can't afford to get this one wrong.
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Nail.Head.

Now the only challenge is to find the next Suarez...shouldn't be too hard :wenger:
 
Raoul said:
Shame the opposition couldn't defend in a "low block" to prevent goal #3

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A hat trick? Can he do it against a low block at stoke in December? WTF is a low block we are not playing American football

I’d sign him tomorrow.
 
Steve 007 said:
Isak 5 goals for Sweden in 2024
Gyorkeres 10 goals for Sweden in 2024

Isak 15 in 50 caps
Gyorkeres 15 in 26 caps

This kid is the real deal
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Quite a contrast given Isak is probably one of the most in form strikers in the best league at the moment.
 
The fundamentals are certainly there, decent with the ball at his feet, decent speed, good first touch and can actually hold the ball for a change and on top of that is lethal in his finishing.

It's a tricky thing ss you look at him and he seems the kind of guy ready to burst at the highest level but we've been burnt so much these past years it's understandable why everyone is so apprehensive in regards to him.
 
Watching those videos and previous videos of Sporting, when they were still under Amorim, makes it so obvious how slow our movement and passing are. It’s not just Dalot or Bruno or Rashford or De Ligt or *insert your favourite “BIGGEST problem”*, our entire team does everything in slow motion.

We’ve been here before. We seem to either be a counterattacking team that moves the ball quickly up the pitch but can’t keep possession which just doesn’t work against low block teams (Ole, to a lesser extent, Jose), or a possession team that is painfully slow across the pitch and not able to cut through the opposition with quick passing and movement (LVG, Amorim so far). Or a weird tactical mess (Moyes, ETH).
 
He's a very good striker but who in this side is going to supply him with similar chances than the ones he got tonight ?
 
Squeaky_Bum_Time said:
Watching those videos and previous videos of Sporting, when they were still under Amorim, makes it so obvious how slow our movement and passing are. It’s not just Dalot or Bruno or Rashford or De Ligt or *insert your favourite “BIGGEST problem”*, our entire team does everything in slow motion.

We’ve been here before. We seem to either be a counterattacking team that moves the ball quickly up the pitch but can’t keep possession which just doesn’t work against low block teams (Ole, to a lesser extent, Jose), or a possession team that is painfully slow across the pitch and not able to cut through the opposition with quick passing and movement (LVG, Amorim so far). Or a weird tactical mess (Moyes, ETH).
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Agreed. I think the two main differences I've seen between RA at Sporting v United is that he had a fantastic striker who actually put away his chances. The service at Sporting isn't exactly world class, but whenever Gyokeres gets the ball, he seems ruthlessly efficicent at getting an accurate shot on goal and seems to score more than he misses.

The other difference being that the other Sporting players seem to be ones RA had an opportunity to acquire over several transfer windows, so he is playing with a group who have developed the squad solidarity to implement his formation and tactics. Neither exist for RA at United, which is why buying a player of Gyokeres quality should be a top priority - or as I like to think about it, if Gyokeres had the same chances Hojlund and Zirkzee were afforded this year, we would probably have another 5-7 goals in the bag and would be in a different table position.
 
FrankDrebin said:
He's a very good striker but who in this side is going to supply him with similar chances than the ones he got tonight ?
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Don’t think anyone would want us to only sign Gyokeres. Are you suggesting to only get a striker once we’ve signed 3-4 other players to fully fix the build-up?
 
Steve 007 said:
A hat trick? Can he do it against a low block at stoke in December? WTF is a low block we are not playing American football

I’d sign him tomorrow.
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The low block argument was hilarious. the guy is a goal machine. he is a late boomer and some people have this believe that world-class players should display that qualities at early ages hence some people doubt his quality . this guy is by far the best striker in world right now
 
Hammondo said:
They really focus on passing to progress the ball and not beating players through running as much.
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That’s why I struggle to see Garnacho making it under Amorim. Have other needs to learn quickly or he’ll likely be on his way.
 
FrankDrebin said:
He's a very good striker but who in this side is going to supply him with similar chances than the ones he got tonight ?
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We should sign Quenda, the young 17 year old who set-up his first two goals and seemingly played on the left today. Under Amorim he played more as an inverted RWB so he looks versatile and could add options on either side as a WB and potentially as an AM too.
 
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