A massive risk.
Victor Gyökeres
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It's a huge risk and knowing our luck these days, you can expect the worst case scenario to occur and go further downhill from there on in. Antony is not an £80m player but he did score 10 goals in his first campaign and just regressed. Casemiro is 34 but a 40 year old Giggs was more dynamic.
It just feels like the stars are aligning to ensure that every gamble we take always ends up in the worst case scenario, no matter what. So yeah, he will come here and Ineos will find a way, they want to be seen to be supporting their manager but he will flop. You can almost touch the sense of doom around this.
Yeah I'm unsure about him too. I'd rather we not rinse and repeat.
That said, there aren't many top class 9s around.
I agree that transfer business is a massive gamble. That's why you need to control your risk and absolutely not drop the best part of £100m on a player unless you're extremely confident they're a genuine world class talent.
If we pay £80m for Gyökeres and he flops, how much of our money could we get back by selling him? £30m maybe? There should always be an exit strategy so we don't end up lumbered with another overpaid, poor player it's impossible to shift.
Honestly, what are the odds he would succeed at United? 50%? 25%? It would be yet another insane gamble.
There's nae value in the market, Spoons.
Then we're screwed aren't we, Mike?
Well, aren't we already with Hojlund and Zirkzee?
Or get back PL fails like Salah
If it’s a choice between he and Osimhen, then it’s him. Osimhen is more likely to flop in the premier league
I'm not gonna pretend I've watched him a lot, but just the fact of being pretty much global top scorer in 2024 with great numbers in his domestic league, the Champions League, and for his country does indicate that there is something there.
£80m would be a hell of a gamble on one player though.
£80m would be a hell of a gamble on one player though.
We need to be a bit canny and target players who've run down their contacts. Like when Fergie managed to pick up Van Persie for just £22m.
Jonathan David is available on a free in the summer. Is he good enough? Who knows. But he's free.
If we are selling zirkzee I can see it.
At that price it would be a gamble, but probably a worthwhile one if it turned our season around. Ultimately, we don't score goals and he has scored 70 in 77 games at Sporting which is infinitely better than anything we currently have.
Problem is (and the reality is this has been the case since José) that since the funds are drying up we need to be hitting 1,000 on our transfers.
£60-80m on a ST who did well in the Championship, and appears to have dropped off somewhat since Amorim left Sporting, seems a very high risk to me.
We absolutely need guaranteed goals, but with the service on offer would Gyökeres be that guy?
£60-80m on a ST who did well in the Championship, and appears to have dropped off somewhat since Amorim left Sporting, seems a very high risk to me.
We absolutely need guaranteed goals, but with the service on offer would Gyökeres be that guy?
Salah is free in the summer
Anything north of £50m and I would be looking at alternatives, I am not convinced he is the answer
Yeah, the best argument for not getting him would be that the price is so high that it affects our ability to fix other gaps in the squad.
It's either him for 80M - a player with 36k in weekly wages right now. Or Osimhen for 65M - a player with a weekly wage of 250k right now. Or kolo Muani for 55M - a player with a weekly wage of 160k.
Let's assume a bit of a pay rise (in Gyokeres case almost triple, because that wage is stupidly low)
Over a 5 year contract
Gyokeres on 100k - total value 106M
Osimhen on 300k - total value 143M
Muani on 200k - total value 108M
Muani and Osimhen would both be harder to shift at those wages if they were to fail.
If they fail after 2 seasons, how much do we need to get and what would the total cost for a buying club be with wages included (5 year assumed)?
Gyokeres: 42M - total buying 68M
Osimhen: 39M - total buying 117M
Muani: 33M - total buying 85M
OK, and if they fail there and have to be sold on again? What risk does the buying club carry?
Gyokeres: 25.2M - total buying 51M
Osimhen: 23.4M - total buying 101M
Muani: 19.8M - total buying 71.8M
While the transfer fee looks daunting, if his wage isn't blown completely out of proportions on day one, Gyokeres is easily the most financially reasonable choice.
Antony was on 25k at Ajax, and for some inexplicable reason we put him on over 200k. You never know what we’ll do with Gyökeres.
And "did well in the Championship" in this case means scored as many as 0.43 non-penalty goals per 90 in a season. For context, Hojlund scored 0.42 non-penalty goals per 90 in the Premier League last season.
Anyone who buys Gyokeres for a big fee is putting an enormous amount of weight on a season and a half of goalscoring form in weaker league. It might work out, but if he flops it will in retrospect look like the buying club walked into the most obvious of transfer mistakes.
Here is hoping that new management isn't dumb enough to do something that unbelievably stupid again.
What Gyokeres does even when not scoring is create chances, take the ball on half turn (look at the City CL match for example) and run at defenders or into attacking areas. He can cross too.
Hojlund stops at the backing into players phase and then sits down. That's the difference between Gyokeres and the likes of Osimehn, he doesn't always require the service, he gets involved making space for the No10's to score and attacking plays.
He knows exactly the runs to make and Ruben can drill the team to make those passes.
With Osimehn, he would need to learn to play in a new country, system and the manager would need to get to know his game.
While waiting for him to adapt we would just treat him as Haaland type forward who requires service.
Seems a great striker finding form later in his career, or at least in European competitions.
I'd enjoy seeing him here if money was no object, but I think a transfer would be a complete waste when there are so many other positions in need of addressing. I'm pretty sure it is just lazy journalism to link the best player at Sporting with United.
I'd enjoy seeing him here if money was no object, but I think a transfer would be a complete waste when there are so many other positions in need of addressing. I'm pretty sure it is just lazy journalism to link the best player at Sporting with United.
Offer them £60m + Hojlund on a 18-month loan with an affordable buy option around £40m.
So is Osimhen. Name a striker that you think the club should realistically target, that won't be a risk?
Striker is pretty high on the list of needs unfortunately
I’m sorry but that’s a ridiculous offer. Why on earth are you shipping off Hojlund?
That’s all well and good until Hojlund out scores him and we look daft as feck when we’re forced to go through with the sale anyway
It's incredible but casemiro is only 32 and has been spent for over a year
I disagree that we desperately need a new starting striker, but if the club wanted to invest a lot in that position for the third summer in a row, Durán and Ferguson are both probably available for the money that Gyökeres would cost, and both have a higher ceiling than him.
Surely we have about 5 other priorities before CF? In no particular order LWB, CM, LCB, left #10, keeper?
Given the option I’d sign a 25 league goals a season striker before any of those positions every day of the week.
We need goals and have two utterly useless strikers, so I would say it's a massive priority. On what planet is a keeper needed before a CF?
We do not need a LCB
The team has a complete inability to score goals and both our strikers are bad at link-up play. We definitely need a striker. I’d only place LWB higher.
This guy could solve one problem but we still have a few others. He ain’t going to help us stop conceding set pieces and crosses. But he could bang in some goals depending on if we create any, which we have created quite a lot in games to be fair under Amorim.
Not sure. I’d put only LWB above ST. We create plenty of chances but just can’t score any. We’re desperate for a LWB and LAM aswell.
One does not simple sell Rasmutazz.
The problem here is who else?
Names?
Do you think there's a striker out there who'd be guaranteed to score 25 league goals in this United side?