Victor Gyökeres

[2 man midfield]

I’d rather get Osimhen in a swap deal for Rashford than spend 80m on this guy

 

[arthurka]

Sporting have already sacked the guy brought in to replace Amorim, I'm sure they gave him some assurances when he was hired also.

A lot changes in a few months in football.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if United did go in for Gyokeres in Jan.

We can't buy anyone for 80 quid let alone someone valued at 80m .

 

[gulli_G]

I’d rather get Osimhen in a swap deal for Rashford than spend 80m on this guy

Osimehn is not getting swapped for Rashford, for PSR, swaps don't work. Also Gyokeres is 70m tops due to the reported gentleman's agreement.

 

[2 man midfield]

Osimehn is not getting swapped for Rashford, for PSR, swaps don't work. Also Gyokeres is 70m tops due to the reported gentleman's agreement.

Wouldn’t we just record it as a sale anyway? Like we did with Mkitaryan when he left in a swap deal?

 

[croadyman]

I’m certain there is at least a handshake agreement that he wouldn’t poach players if he was leaving mid season. One for the summer and fills a priority position.

Just Rasmus until the summer isn't enough

 

[gulli_G]

Wouldn’t we just record it as a sale anyway? Like we did with Mkitaryan when he left in a swap deal?

Would have to, but if his rumoured salary is correct forget him. Also Gyokeres has been the best striker in 2024, he knows Amorim's system and has also played in England at Brighton and Coventry. He has played against us also.

 

[2 man midfield]

Would have to, but if his rumoured salary is correct forget him. Also Gyokeres has been the best striker in 2024, he knows Amorim's system and has also played in England at Brighton and Coventry. He has played against us also.

I’m just not all that sold on him tbh. He instantly doubled his goal return when he went to Portugal, so I don’t have very high hopes for him in the PL.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Just Rasmus until the summer isn't enough

We just have to make do unless we raise a serious ton of cash through player sales which we are shite at.

Living in fantasy land if you think we are going to be spending any big amount of money for new players this month.

 

[Rojofiam]

Are you actually joking

Why would I be?

 

[UnitedSofa]

Why would I be?

As he was the top scorer in 2024 & apparently “he’s not as good as he’s made out to be”

 

[Rojofiam]

As he was the top scorer in 2024 & apparently “he’s not as good as he’s made out to be”

Top scorer in 2024 playing for a well-drilled UCL level team vs teams on average worse than your average Championship side? Wow.

If we bring him into this current United side, he'll score 5 goals in 20 games and once again the fanbase will be confused and then blame the ownership for making a stupid decision, forgetting that 90% of them were begging them to sign the player

 

[gaffs]

Osimehn is not getting swapped for Rashford, for PSR, swaps don't work. Also Gyokeres is 70m tops due to the reported gentleman's agreement.

Why would a swap deal until end of season be an issue for PSR?

 

[UnitedSofa]

A freelance journo for Reuters has picked it up (so you’d expect some credibility)

 

[UnitedSofa]

Top scorer in 2024 playing for a well-drilled UCL level team vs teams on average worse than your average Championship side? Wow.

If we bring him into this current United side, he'll score 5 goals in 20 games and once again the fanbase will be confused and then blame the ownership for making a stupid decision, forgetting that 90% of them were begging them to sign the player

By that logic we should sign no striker from Germany or Italy because they’re of a lesser league and in better drilled teams

 

[Rojofiam]

By that logic we should sign no striker from Germany or Italy because they’re of a lesser league and in better drilled teams

The Bundesliga and Serie A are miles better than the Portuguese league.

But I'm not trying to generalize every player's level who come from a weaker league. There are some great talents in Holland, Portugal, and even weaker leagues that will probably do very well in the PL or another top 5 league. However, considering the expectations around Gyökeres, I think he's not one of them and will actually be one of the biggest flops next season, if he gets picked up by a big club for big money.

I've talked about him in isolation, and why he hasn't shown that he has enough crucial qualities that top strikers all have. You can read my previous posts in this thread if you're curious about my opinion.

But in a nutshell, he plays 90% of his games vs much weaker teams (which was especially true under Amorim), is too reliant on transitions to score (which he won't be able to with such frequency in a big team where most of the teams in the league won't play open against), and he can't impose himself and dominate the opposition box even in Portugal like a top striker in England/Spain/etc. can

 

[2 man midfield]

A freelance journo for Reuters has picked it up (so you’d expect some credibility)

No way INEOS pay 20m extra to get him early. Unless he wins us the Europa league then it’s hard to see how it would be worth it.

 

[Crostien]

We'll sign him for crazy money and he will flop, hard. Will not score for twenty matches. Booed off. A noose around the vulnerable neck of Amorim.

 

[2 man midfield]

We'll sign him for crazy money and he will flop, hard. Will not score for twenty matches. Booed off. A noose around the vulnerable neck of Amorim.

This is what worries me. Did we not learn from Antony?

 

[AneRu]

No way INEOS pay 20m extra to get him early. Unless he wins us the Europa league then it’s hard to see how it would be worth it.

If he helps solve our issues and his goals propel us to a top 6 finish and a deep Europa run wouldn't the £20m be worth it? I assume there is a significant price money difference between a 15th - 10th place and top 6.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Hasn't his form dropped off quite a bit since Ruben left?

 

[MikeUpNorth]

I'm begging the club not to gamble £80m on another manager's ex-player from a lower league. If we do that, we've learned nothing.

 

[spiriticon]

If we sign this guy for 80m and blow out entire year's budget, he needs to have an instant impact. If he doesn't have the instant impact we need, Amorim must take responsibility.

Its like Groundhog Day with this club.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Why are we all catastrophising?

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Why are we all catastrophising?

*Gestures vaguely at the last decade of shit.

 

[spiriticon]

Why are we all catastrophising?

Cause we never fecking learn.

It's infuriating.

 

[UnitedSofa]

*Gestures vaguely at the last decade of shit.

Cause we never fecking learn.

It's infuriating.

So we should *never* sign from a foreign league ever again?

 

[pocco]

I was reminded of Samu at Porto earlier and I think that would be a great option too. The only issue is that he’s young and would be in the same bracket, albeit far better, than our current options. But I think he’s got the potential to be brilliant.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

So we should *never* sign from a foreign league ever again?

If you're going to spend £80m on a player from the Portuguese league, then it must be unquestionably the greatest ever player to play in the country. Is he?

 

[2 man midfield]

If he helps solve our issues and his goals propel us to a top 6 finish and a deep Europa run wouldn't the £20m be worth it? I assume there is a significant price money difference between a 15th - 10th place and top 6.

Maybe. There’s not just the price difference from our point of view though, but also his. It’s a lot easier being a 60m signing than an 80m one. No matter how well Antony or Harry Maguire play for us, I don’t they’ll ever recover from having that price tag round their necks.

Then you’ve got the pressure of coming in in January and being the man our season hinges on. As opposed to moving in the summer, bedding in with 2 or 3 other new signings and getting a pre-season etc.

I realise that probably sounds a bit defeatist, but I can just see us splashing 80m to get him ASAP, dropping him into an absolute pressure cooker environment, and everyone getting on his back when he doesn’t hit the ground running. Environment plays a huge part in these things.

 

[spiriticon]

So we should *never* sign from a foreign league ever again?

Sure we can, but the manager must take responsibility for it and not the owners or directors

 

[UnitedSofa]

If you're going to spend £80m on a player from the Portuguese league, then it must be unquestionably the greatest ever player to play in the country. Is he?

Yes he’s expensive but we need to learn that players are more expensive than they were years ago, I’d say a £30M now is equivalent to a £15M from the early 2000’s

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Yes he’s expensive but we need to learn that players are more expensive than they were years ago, I’d say a £30M now is equivalent to a £15M from the early 2000’s

I'd say we've learned that lesson many, many times. Or have we?

 

[UnitedSofa]

I'd say we've learned that lesson many, many times. Or have we?

So we sign a cheaper played (Zirkzee for example) it doesn’t work out & it’s still wrong and people call for signing established players.

We go for a more experienced and established player and we shit the bed because we’re afraid they don’t have the minerals for the PL.

People act like it’s easy, managers/sporting directors/scouts are taking huge gambles whoever they buy

 

[2 man midfield]

Yes he’s expensive but we need to learn that players are more expensive than they were years ago, I’d say a £30M now is equivalent to a £15M from the early 2000’s

Doesn’t help there’s a real lack of quality number 9s. His value has probably doubled due to that alone.

 

[DWelbz19]

You just know he’ll probably end up tanking here (like 80% of our signings) but at the same time there’s hardly a queue of options at no.9 and we desperately need one who actually sniffs out goals because the current two have very little natural striking instincts about them.

 

[spiriticon]

If the manager says 'I need Gyokeres because he is the only striker I can ever work with' then fine, let's sign him but at your own risk.

But I will boo the heck out of the manager if Gyokeres comes in and shits the bed.

 

[Rojofiam]

We'll sign him for crazy money and he will flop, hard. Will not score for twenty matches. Booed off. A noose around the vulnerable neck of Amorim.

I think that's exactly what would happen, but I don't think Amorim will want him tbh, and neither will the likes of Wilcox or Berrada IMO. Or the scouting department, for that matter.

 

[2 man midfield]

If the manager says 'I need Gyokeres because he is the only striker I can ever work with' then fine, let's sign him but at your own risk.

But I will boo the heck out of the manager if Gyokeres comes in and shits the bed.

I thought he’d be able to shape Hojlund into his own version of Gyökeres as they aren’t that different. I feel like we just need decent quality competition for Hojlund rather than an outright replacement who absolutely must start every week because of his fee.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Doesn’t help there’s a real lack of quality number 9s. His value has probably doubled due to that alone.

This too

Pure strikers don’t really exist anymore, all the goalscorers, the majority of then are wide forwards

 

[DWelbz19]

So we sign a cheaper played (Zirkzee for example) it doesn’t work out & it’s still wrong and people call for signing established players.

We go for a more experienced and established player and we shit the bed because we’re afraid they don’t have the minerals for the PL.

People act like it’s easy, managers/sporting directors/scouts are taking huge gambles whoever they buy

Agree with the overarching point — it is bloody hard to recruit properly because there’s so much that can go wrong (especially at a club that has been in so much turbulent transition like us) but the second paragraph: a little bit of a false image calling Gyokeres established — this is his first ever season playing in the CL, and despite being 26 he only has 26 caps for his NT.